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Club Statement on Discriminatory Abuse
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Surely the whole point of the matter is we dont want any pond life / scumbag fans at any games, and we should be looking to stamp out any racism or discriminatory abuse.
Instead the point seems to be turning towards how the club have dealt with it, and is another stick to beat them with again!! - Its bad enough that the Goalkeeper kept being mocked by a good number of fans during the whole stoppage, but then its "banta"21 -
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?2 -
I have no idea what happened,but,it is quite difficult for the members of the public who are well behaved and just want to see the game,to point out to stewards ,troublemakers,this can lead ,and has done ,to retaliation and abuse by the individuals concerned especially if the same seats are occupied regularly.We see time and time again at away games,stewards piling in on a whim and ejecting people.Surely the stewards in the area involved must have seen or heard what was happening,or maybe there was not enough of them there.Where were the police,they seem very happy lining up in Floyd Road before and after games,but when situations occur ,in the ground,"not my job guv".This needs to be stopped,more stewards ,and a police presence all round the stadium,not just watching the game from the control area.0
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SLP reporting only the original statement re the arrest and in custody0
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Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?
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Seems a bit odd that he's not pressing charges. Also that there's been no arrests?ForeverAddickted said:3 -
Yeah I'm disappointed that he isnt - Saw a quote from Cotterill yesterday (but cant find it now) saying along the lines that Marosi didnt want to press charges as he didnt want to make things worse in future games.Croydon said:
Seems a bit odd that he's not pressing charges. Also that there's been no arrests?ForeverAddickted said:0 -
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?2 -
The whole point is we don't want these scumbags in our club. As supporters you expect the club (who never stop telling the world they are against this) to actually deal with it.ForeverAddickted said:Surely the whole point of the matter is we dont want any pond life / scumbag fans at any games, and we should be looking to stamp out any racism or discriminatory abuse.
Instead the point seems to be turning towards how the club have dealt with it, and is another stick to beat them with again!! - Its bad enough that the Goalkeeper kept being mocked by a good number of fans during the whole stoppage, but then its "banta"
From what I saw this is how the club dealt with it:-
1. Incident reported by the ref, club very slow in getting sufficient numera and capable stewards into the area to defuse situation and remove the culprits. As a result do we know if the club got/identified the correct people.
2. Supporrers then congregated around the bottom of the Lower Covered End to further barrack the keeper. They were not moved on. They only thing that seemed to happen was someone I presume working for the Comms department filming the game, fame over the hoardings to take a picture of this lot at the end of the game. You would have hoped this was for evidence. Probably not the case as that picture is now on Facebook so I presume grey wanted it for PR purposes. A steward is also in the picture smiling for the camera!
3. The Comms department issue a statement saying an arrest has been made and person is in custody. Good news it was dealt with? Not so the statement was false
That is why the club is getting stick.4 - Sponsored links:
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Stewarding at the club seems really poor recently, from my seat yesterday I saw the lad that was completely pissed being escorted/helped out by 4 stewards, yet when the incident happened with the keeper it took ages for stewards to appear and then they just stood in front of the fans and did nothing. Even Clare try to calm things down and still the thin line of stewards did nothing. I might be mistaken but I didn't see any Old Bill during that incident either, so where were they?
In my mind there is no excuse for racist or discriminatory behaviour, yet it seems to be growing amongst some of the idiots that now follow us (or do they?).
This season, if I recall correctly, wasn't there also a bottle thrown at an opposition player from the East Stand?
I'm an old Covered End lad from back in the day and yes while we used to have a few rucks, I can't remember lobbing articles at oppo players.
Whoever said whatever was said yesterday needs to be caught, interviewed, then charged and banned for life in my opinion.
I guess the club will be fined after this incident?
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What I don’t understand is that there is a little mob that sit behind the goal that are always taking the piss/ being abusive to the opposition.
The club obviously know about it but appear to do nothing, who ever is in charge of stewarding needs a kick up the arse here as they seem to have the youngest most hopeless steward placed there week after week.
Then Olly comes on here to say somebody was arrested and then later that there wasn’t.
The whole thing has once again been handled terribly by the club, once again!7 -
I think it was Cotterill himself saying that Marosi should perhaps not press charges, rather than Marosi saying it. Manager led rather than player led.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah I'm disappointed that he isnt - Saw a quote from Cotterill yesterday (but cant find it now) saying along the lines that Marosi didnt want to press charges as he didnt want to make things worse in future games.Croydon said:
Seems a bit odd that he's not pressing charges. Also that there's been no arrests?ForeverAddickted said:
I feel Marosi has been lent on not to press charges (not that it is down to the individual to now press charges - that decision is down to the CPS).2 -
Yeah that Guardian link a few posts up seems to quote it a little bit - Ties in with what you say about it being more of a Cotterill comment rather than Marosi saying it himself:golfaddick said:
I think it was Cotterill himself saying that Marosi should perhaps not press charges, rather than Marosi saying it. Manager led rather than player led.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah I'm disappointed that he isnt - Saw a quote from Cotterill yesterday (but cant find it now) saying along the lines that Marosi didnt want to press charges as he didnt want to make things worse in future games.Croydon said:
Seems a bit odd that he's not pressing charges. Also that there's been no arrests?ForeverAddickted said:
I feel Marosi has been lent on not to press charges (not that it is down to the individual to now press charges - that decision is down to the CPS).
"He’s OK, it’s not a nice thing that happened today, I don’t know if it’s the first time it’s happened to him in his career. I don’t think Marko will press charges. It’s best to let it go, otherwise he’ll be targeted"
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Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the time29
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Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?2 -
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?1 - Sponsored links:
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I remain confused.
Clearly there was an incident, which I thought looked shameful in itself, but subsequent reporting of it is unclear.
I thought I saw somebody ‘voluntarily’ leaving up the stairs who rushed back when we scored, that individual seemed to have a companion of some kind, there was a lot of pointing and gesticulations going on generally.
Nothing was thrown as far as I could tell, and prior to events the goalkeeper was the goalkeeper, not goading the fans behind him.
Not being on social media of the type where the morés are seemingly ‘obvious’ my understanding is that a man with a mixed race little boy was ejected, and then identified on the internet.
Seemingly the communications department said that man had been arrested, and was in police custody or something, then apparently nobody has been arrested (not sure regarding ejections).
The thing seems a shameful mess, 90% down to moronic abusive fans, yet 10% down to the ramp up of confusion by the club.
I remain confused.0 -
All i can say is that I am glad i sit in the West upper, if that is an example of north stand support for the team.7
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Yeah, I've heard plenty of "welsh/scottish/Irish xxxx" over the years, which under that law would see you arrested. I wonder how many are aware that's actually an offence?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?1 -
So serious that the police arent investigating and the player isnt pursuing it? Something just doesn’t seem right about thisSmithy said:Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the time
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The club still haven’t taken the tweet down saying someone is in custody. I find that staggering.0
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I do find this law to be a bit odd. You can call someone a c@nt whether they are one or not (which if you are being literal they would never be one though they might have one) but you cant add their nationality which if you get the right one unlike this instance, is fact.0
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Indeed.Croydon said:
Yeah, I've heard plenty of "welsh/scottish/Irish xxxx" over the years, which under that law would see you arrested. I wonder how many are aware that's actually an offence?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?0 -
Had I been in my normal seat (rather than an aeroplane) I'd have been able to give the full lowdown on this. But considering the bunch who begin their rhapsodies with "OI [INSERT SURNAME]" - yeah, I'm not surprised about any of this0
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I know where you're coming from, but as it was all happening it definitely looked like it was an accusation of racism or similar. That chanting didn't sit right with me either.Croydon said:
So serious that the police arent investigating and the player isnt pursuing it? Something just doesn’t seem right about thisSmithy said:Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the time0 -
Not commenting on the club’s reaction to this incident, but Matt Wright wrote in VOTV about the club’s failure to address deteriorating behaviour back in March. I’m not saying that morons respond to public warnings but they do establish a baseline and give fans generally reassurance that the club is aware of and committed to taking action.
The abuse text number is part of a national EFL initiative that the club was behind others in taking forward. I know Mick Everett has had to deal with loads of this crap this season, but the lack of leadership on the ground has definitely been a factor in the overall inadequate response.10
