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Club Statement on Discriminatory Abuse
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I’ve been going since 1975. And whilst I don’t think we should all stab each other and throw bananas on the pitch. Where the game is now and most of the outrage (fake or otherwise) on here and players being offended at being called names (boo boo) means the fact that I don’t go much any more means I’m not sure I’ll go much at all. It’s shit, this fascist witch hunt mentality.though police bollocks. There must be a middle ground surely.2
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Would you leave your hospitality box to get involved when there are Stewards on minimum wage?Bolderhumphreyreid said:Why did it take approx 6/7 minutes for the stewards to get involved? The bigger question must be why did the police not move from their site at the south/west quadrant?
Im sure I saw the guy who was taken out run back in once we scored! It wasn’t even the guy in the grey cap who was being pointed out by the players.
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Which is a terrible attitude for his manager to have … to ask him to play it down to make things easier.golfaddick said:
I think it was Cotterill himself saying that Marosi should perhaps not press charges, rather than Marosi saying it. Manager led rather than player led.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah I'm disappointed that he isnt - Saw a quote from Cotterill yesterday (but cant find it now) saying along the lines that Marosi didnt want to press charges as he didnt want to make things worse in future games.Croydon said:
Seems a bit odd that he's not pressing charges. Also that there's been no arrests?ForeverAddickted said:
I feel Marosi has been lent on not to press charges (not that it is down to the individual to now press charges - that decision is down to the CPS).
This is one of the reasons racism and prejudice continue to exist and thrive.7 -
This "doesn't want to press charges" thing is bollocks. I think the keeper has been watching too much poor police drama on TV.
It is not his choice. He is not the Police or the Crown Prosecution Service!
If he is saying he will not co-operate with the police in the event that they ask him for a witness statement, that is an entirely different matter. As it would likely preclude prosecution for lack of evidence. (And that makes the whole "report abuse text number" thing into something of highly questionable benefit, as it relies upon witness co-operation.)
BTW, the grass up "hate" announcement seems to be very carefully worded. It says your report will be handed "discretely". What it clearly doesn't say is that your text and consequently your 'phone number will be provided to the police who will want a witness statement from you. (Because without it there can be no prosecution can there?) So, as someone who doesn't have much belief that the Met has the capability of handling sensitive information with any degree of professionalism, I'd stay well away from taking myself down that road thank you very much.
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Does that make it OK?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?0 -
There is no place for racism or discrimination in our society.Do we now live in a football world where a player can stop a game and have a fan arrested without evidence ?
If so, be prepared for the announcement “ the 4th official has indicated that there will be 25 additional minutes”We have to police this stuff among ourselves in the crowd, otherwise games could take hours.2 -
Are you saying you are going to stop going to watch Charlton because people are not free to abuse players/other fans on the basis of their race/nationality?Greenhithe said:I’ve been going since 1975. And whilst I don’t think we should all stab each other and throw bananas on the pitch. Where the game is now and most of the outrage (fake or otherwise) on here and players being offended at being called names (boo boo) means the fact that I don’t go much any more means I’m not sure I’ll go much at all. It’s shit, this fascist witch hunt mentality.though police bollocks. There must be a middle ground surely.
If so, do you think the UK is PC gone mad and that there needs to be a war on woke?
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No I was implying it probably happens alot and it should be treated the same, but then as a white English bloke in my 40s if I were called an English _ _ _ _ I would probably laugh. Xenophobia and racism do need treating harshly but taking the piss out of someone's nationality will never be the same as deriding the colour of their skin. Both are bad but one is based in superior feeling of one group so they can use the others as a disposable commodity.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Does that make it OK?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?1 -
Middle ground between throwing bananas and what? Not throwing bananas? I don't know...waving bananas? Still seems quite racist.Greenhithe said:I’ve been going since 1975. And whilst I don’t think we should all stab each other and throw bananas on the pitch. Where the game is now and most of the outrage (fake or otherwise) on here and players being offended at being called names (boo boo)that I don’t go much any more means I’m not sure I’ll go much at all. It’s shit, this fascist witch hunt mentality.though police bollocks. There must be a middle ground surely.12 -
I would like to think if something was disgusting racially said then people would have pointed them out straight away. We’ve all been to games when someone has done something and almost everyone around them has pointed them out and they are removed immediately. The lack of response around that area by fans seemed bizarre, because for the keeper to have heard it whilst we were on the attack must have been quite a loud comment.Croydon said:
So serious that the police arent investigating and the player isnt pursuing it? Something just doesn’t seem right about thisSmithy said:Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the time1 - Sponsored links:
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Also the keeper was probably looking at the game, he might have heard something, but to pin point out a fan who he believed to have said it.SouthWest_Addicks said:
I would like to think if something was disgusting racially said then people would have pointed them out straight away. We’ve all been to games when someone has done something and almost everyone around them has pointed them out and they are removed immediately. The lack of response around that area by fans seemed bizarre, because for the keeper to have heard it whilst we were on the attack must have been quite a loud comment.Croydon said:
So serious that the police arent investigating and the player isnt pursuing it? Something just doesn’t seem right about thisSmithy said:Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the timeWhatever was said must have been more than “banter” for the keeper to react like he did.
A sad episode all round, especially on the UpBeats day.5 -
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Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.6
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It was Leko not Bonne.addick1956 said:
That isn't the issue...something happened which was abusive and probably racist. The chant that followed is exactly what morons would do or support. When Bonne was abused by the Leeds keeper it was called put in the same way.Croydon said:
So serious that the police arent investigating and the player isnt pursuing it? Something just doesn’t seem right about thisSmithy said:Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the time
The police are not pursuing it because the recipient dropped any charges, allegedly. That doesn't stop the club banning the moron (s) concerned and it doesn't stop the referee making a report which could conceivably lead to an offending club being made to play behind closed doors. Then we all suffer.2 -
I think it was all odd, the delay caused the aggravation especially as the Charlton players seemed to be trying to get the keeper to go back into the goal and nobody had a clue what was going on. Most of the chanting came from the upper tier and they had no idea what was going on below. Most probably regret the chants now though.Cloudworm said:Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.0 -
Am also a white bloke in his 40scfgs said:
No I was implying it probably happens alot and it should be treated the same, but then as a white English bloke in my 40s if I were called an English _ _ _ _ I would probably laugh. Xenophobia and racism do need treating harshly but taking the piss out of someone's nationality will never be the same as deriding the colour of their skin. Both are bad but one is based in superior feeling of one group so they can use the others as a disposable commodity.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Does that make it OK?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?
Like you, no doubt, I grew up with jokes about e.g. other hone nations nationalities being the norm.
Now I reflect on how this was not actually ok. In the same way, I was uncomfortable with some of the stick Roland was getting in association with his nationality. We can voice an opinion of how much of an "idiot" an individual is without bringing nationality into it.
I guess you are right that there is a difference between abusing somebody for their race and doing so for their nationality. For me - and the law, it seems - neither are ok.... despite the norms you and I grew up with...
It is a positive step for us to evolve away from this particular norm of the past...
...not that I expect the ageing demographic on Charlton Life to include a significant number of people who agree6 -
I do agree with you.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Am also a white bloke in his 40scfgs said:
No I was implying it probably happens alot and it should be treated the same, but then as a white English bloke in my 40s if I were called an English _ _ _ _ I would probably laugh. Xenophobia and racism do need treating harshly but taking the piss out of someone's nationality will never be the same as deriding the colour of their skin. Both are bad but one is based in superior feeling of one group so they can use the others as a disposable commodity.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Does that make it OK?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?
Like you, no doubt, I grew up with jokes about e.g. other hone nations nationalities being the norm.
Now I reflect on how this was not actually ok. In the same way, I was uncomfortable with some of the stick Roland was getting in association with his nationality. We can voice an opinion of how much of an "idiot" an individual is without bringing nationality into it.
I guess you are right that there is a difference between abusing somebody for their race and doing so for their nationality. For me - and the law, it seems - neither are ok.... despite the norms you and I grew up with...
It is a positive step for us to evolve away from this particular norm of the past...
...not that I expect the ageing demographic on Charlton Life to include a significant number of people who agree1 -
If the club haven’t already convened or aren’t convening a lessons learned and action plan meeting soonest to address any similar situation being dealt with more effectively and swiftly should it ever arise in future (I hope not), it needs to give itself a long hard look. Words in programmes, text numbers on a screen are one thing, actions when such situations arise is what the club and we as fans will be judged upon.
A mess start to finish by the looks of it and not something we want to be associated with. We have been better than that for all the time I have supported the club.0 -
That isn't how policr charges work in this country. Doesn't matter if someone wants to 'press charges' or not. How do you know it was racist? The one man who made the claim is no longer pursuing itaddick1956 said:
That isn't the issue...something happened which was abusive and probably racist. The chant that followed is exactly what morons would do or support. When Bonne was abused by the Leeds keeper it was called put in the same way.Croydon said:
So serious that the police arent investigating and the player isnt pursuing it? Something just doesn’t seem right about thisSmithy said:Booing and singing ‘he’s gonna cry in a minute’ when there was quite clearly something serious going on seemed seriously dense to me at the time
The police are not pursuing it because the recipient dropped any charges, allegedly. That doesn't stop the club banning the moron (s) concerned and it doesn't stop the referee making a report which could conceivably lead to an offending club being made to play behind closed doors. Then we all suffer.
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I love that you went into this comment thinking that not wanting to throw bananas on the pitch somehow made you some kind of beacon of reasonableness. Feel free to not go much anymore, I'm not sure we can survive losing the fans who think that not agreeing with screeching racist abuse at footballers is fascism, but I guess we'll just have to get by.Greenhithe said:I’ve been going since 1975. And whilst I don’t think we should all stab each other and throw bananas on the pitch. Where the game is now and most of the outrage (fake or otherwise) on here and players being offended at being called names (boo boo) means the fact that I don’t go much any more means I’m not sure I’ll go much at all. It’s shit, this fascist witch hunt mentality.though police bollocks. There must be a middle ground surely.
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Must admit if being perfectly honest I struggle with some of this stuff.I’m not an abusive person in any way and like the vast majority of us I’ve been educated and conditioned (and very grateful) that race, sexuality and religion are taboo levels of characterisation that are now very much deemed unacceptable levels of targeting in society. And I’m pretty confident that if there was an incident that involved those factors in any of our stands there would be enough around them who would not tolerate it and ensure it is dealt with (in some form at the time or following).
But other forms, nationality, physical characteristics (weight, height, hair / lack of) etc I struggle a bit to take as seriously in a football crowd context. Opposing players are always likely to attract some level of abuse, that’s part of the game that I don’t think will ever be fully expunged. Perhaps I’m being a bit of a dinosaur, who knows.I’ve no idea what was said or whether it was beyond the acceptable levels. Seeing it was a white European it looked clear that it was neither race or religion based. Given it’s stoppage and handling made it appear a VERY serious incident, Because of that, I’d have hoped through the clubs, player, or from those nearby more information would have come out by now. It feels very sketchy.I’m loathe to criticise though in case what was said WAS completely unacceptable.17 -
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?23
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On a seperate point, Once again, there hundreds / thousands there yesterday on freebies who were not regular Charlton / football visitors. It’s really not a good look in attracting potential families when a ref stops a game for 6 minutes for something that looks very serious.2
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There is no way you can blame the club for this ..Airman Brown said:Not commenting on the club’s reaction to this incident, but Matt Wright wrote in VOTV about the club’s failure to address deteriorating behaviour back in March. I’m not saying that morons respond to public warnings but they do establish a baseline and give fans generally reassurance that the club is aware of and committed to taking action.
The abuse text number is part of a national EFL initiative that the club was behind others in taking forward. I know Mick Everett has had to deal with loads of this crap this season, but the lack of leadership on the ground has definitely been a factor in the overall inadequate response.5 -
I think (and hope) that this season we’ve reached peak aggro for a long while. Hoping that next season things calm down a bit. It definitely seems to cross a line (home and away) on an all too regular basis at the moment.AFKABartram said:What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
Re the incident itself, I assumed something had been thrown (there was a plastic bottle lying just off of the pitch, near to the goal). Never crossed my mind that the ‘keeper had been racially abused. I’m still not really clear on what actually happened.1 -
The plastic bottle beside the left hand post as you look at it from the Covered End had been nudged there a short time earlier by a Shrewsbury player who had taken a swig during a break in play, he had (as they all do) tossed it aside but it landed too near the goal line, so he moved it further back.
I saw it clearly, it was not a missile that had been thrown.1 -
It's really hard to comment on the incident, as I don't know what was said, but it was confusing for everyone in the stadium why it took so long to resolve, and why the police didn't get involved
From the halfway line, it just appeared as if nothing happened afterwards, except that the fans behind the goal got livelier...0 -
It took 4 pages, which is 3 more than I thought it would. So, well done you.Cloudworm said:Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.
Take our name out of your mouth and own it. This one's on you.34 -
Duh duh duh duh……we don’t care.1
