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Jonny Williams - now at Gillingham (p47)

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  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,032
    AndyG said:
    Ffs we are a weird bunch. 
    If we appoint this bloke all of a sudden one of the positives is we get Johnny back 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    And Lee Power is coming in as the new DoF
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    Weird thing to say about one of the relatively minuscule number of players in history who actually have helped us get promotion. 
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    Because it appears we're signing League Two managers...... maybe it's all part of the master plan to aim for promotion from League Two in 2023/24.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    I don’t think Williams (I hope) will be coming back, he’s had his time with us.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    I don’t think Williams (I hope) will be coming back, he’s had his time with us.
    Hopefully this is the case 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited May 2022
    se9addick said:
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    Weird thing to say about one of the relatively minuscule number of players in history who actually have helped us get promotion. 
    I hope we sign Williams if only so we can complete the set of one crocked defender, one crocked midfielder and one crocked striker.

    Shame we released Henderson or we could've had the bonus crocked goalkeeper too.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 2,952
    I would have Williams back,to play the same sort of impact roll that Aneke will probably play next season,that would be part of a good bench in league 1.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,854
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    Totally agree, he did fuck all to get us out of this league in 2019. Except of course for everything he did do to get us out of this league, including completely changing the momentum of the game at Wembley.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    Totally agree, he did fuck all to get us out of this league in 2019. Except of course for everything he did do to get us out of this league, including completely changing the momentum of the game at Wembley.
    I wouldn't re-sign him, but he was tremendous in the Championship for 10 games at the start of that season.  
  • I would have Williams back,to play the same sort of impact roll that Aneke will probably play next season,that would be part of a good bench in league 1.

    Loved Williams initially but then got sick of him throwing himself to the ground seeking fouls every five minutes which seemed an unnecessarily overly apparent part of his game at points.

    Can't afford 3 squad players like Innis, Aneke and Williams with such injury proness if we are mounting for a serious promotion push.


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  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    I would have Williams back,to play the same sort of impact roll that Aneke will probably play next season,that would be part of a good bench in league 1.
    A good bench when fit.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    He's found his level.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Chunes said:
    He's found his level.
    Not sure thats fair on him. 

    He was easily good enough in terms of ability for league 1, he just didn't fit our style of play and struggled with stamina.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chunes said:
    He's found his level.
    Not sure thats fair on him. 

    He was easily good enough in terms of ability for league 1, he just didn't fit our style of play and struggled with stamina.
    Surely that’s part of being a L1 footballer? You might have the football brain and technical ability, but if you’re not up to it physically then it’s not really your level.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    cafctom said:
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    The last time Williams was with us he did help us win promotion from League One……
    Same with Arthur Horsfield, but I don't think he be a great signing either
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,742
    I don't believe we will sign him.  This would be a massive step backward if we did.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited May 2022
    Sage said:
    Was arguably our best player, if not easily top 3, up until his meniscus injury against Derby in the October of the Championship season.
    He was close through those couple of months but would say he was pipped to that accolade by Gallagher and Taylor.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chunes said:
    He's found his level.
    Not sure thats fair on him. 

    He was easily good enough in terms of ability for league 1, he just didn't fit our style of play and struggled with stamina.
    I'd echo what Sco said but also look at it this way and see if you still feel it's unfair.

    In the past 4 seasons (he wasn't playing regularly before that), he's averaged:

    Goals: 0.5 per season
    Assists: 1.25 per season

    Awful stats for an attacking midfielder. 

    This season he got:

    Goals: 5 
    Assists: 5

    More like what you'd expect. He's never got near those numbers before, so I feel like it's fair to say he's found his level. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,032
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    He did in 2019...and played a huge part in the play off final win as an impact sub. No doubt he could do so again.
    Brilliant, Williams and Aneka can trouser 15k a week between them and play 15 minutes a game once in a while.
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    He did in 2019...and played a huge part in the play off final win as an impact sub. No doubt he could do so again.
    Brilliant, Williams and Aneka can trouser 15k a week between them and play 15 minutes a game once in a while.
    nail right head on hit  :)
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    He did in 2019...and played a huge part in the play off final win as an impact sub. No doubt he could do so again.
    Brilliant, Williams and Aneka can trouser 15k a week between them and play 15 minutes a game once in a while.
    Can innis be added to this?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    wmcf123 said:
    Not sure whether he spends more time on the deck or the physios table.
    Williams won't get us promotion . Why are we signing League 2 players anyway....
    Totally agree, he did fuck all to get us out of this league in 2019. Except of course for everything he did do to get us out of this league, including completely changing the momentum of the game at Wembley.
    I wouldn't re-sign him, but he was tremendous in the Championship for 10 games at the start of that season.  
    I still say that that is the most under rated 10 games anyone has ever had in a Charlton shirt.  What is sad is he never got a run in the team, in that position again.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Sage said:
    Was arguably our best player, if not easily top 3, up until his meniscus injury against Derby in the October of the Championship season.
    He was but how often in his career has he shown that form? Will he get back to that level and recreate that form?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Scoham said:
    Sage said:
    Was arguably our best player, if not easily top 3, up until his meniscus injury against Derby in the October of the Championship season.
    He was but how often in his career has he shown that form? Will he get back to that level and recreate that form?
    Every time he has had an extended run in any team in that exact role. 

    The problem is he can't do anything else, at all, and he can't do it for 40 odd games.

    You need to build a team round him and you can't because you don't know when he will break down, you just know he will. 

    If he could play 45 games a season it would be worth the risk, you know he can't, so you don't.

    I wouldn't want him back, and I am probably his biggest fan, but in the exact right position/role with the right players he is one hell of a player.  Charlie Kirk probably is as well. 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    Scoham said:
    Sage said:
    Was arguably our best player, if not easily top 3, up until his meniscus injury against Derby in the October of the Championship season.
    He was but how often in his career has he shown that form? Will he get back to that level and recreate that form?
    No one will know that, he was also going into what should’ve been his peak. What made him so good in that period was he was trusted, loved, played in his best position, and had players around him who got forward and made runs off him, like Gallagher. He was identified as our best player by Bielsa - he was so good in that early part of the season. I think that, alongside Taylor’s injury, was the turning point in our season. We coped without Taylor for a period of time because players like Williams was phenomenal, we lost our spark when he got injured and I don’t think that’s being too rose tinted. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Sage said:
    Scoham said:
    Sage said:
    Was arguably our best player, if not easily top 3, up until his meniscus injury against Derby in the October of the Championship season.
    He was but how often in his career has he shown that form? Will he get back to that level and recreate that form?
    No one will know that, he was also going into what should’ve been his peak. What made him so good in that period was he was trusted, loved, played in his best position, and had players around him who got forward and made runs off him, like Gallagher. He was identified as our best player by Bielsa - he was so good in that early part of the season. I think that, alongside Taylor’s injury, was the turning point in our season. We coped without Taylor for a period of time because players like Williams was phenomenal, we lost our spark when he got injured and I don’t think that’s being too rose tinted. 
    If you were Johnny you would love the interplay and runs that Cullen and Gallagher provided and the space that Taylor and Leko gave you. 

    Bielsa did a piece in the Evening Post about the first half of the season and said the Charlton 7 about 5 times, he absolutely rinsed Philips for 60 minutes.  He made Bielsa change systems 3 times. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Comes back to my earlier point about him not being up to it physically. He can't maintain a career at Championship level despite having the technique and intelligence for it. Clubs won't keep taking a chance on him because they need players who are more reliable in terms of the games and minutes they can play.
  • Gary Poole
    Gary Poole Posts: 1,874
    edited May 2022
    Sage said:l
    Scoham said:
    Sage said:
    Was arguably our best player, if not easily top 3, up until his meniscus injury against Derby in the October of the Championship season.
    He was but how often in his career has he shown that form? Will he get back to that level and recreate that form?
    No one will know that, he was also going into what should’ve been his peak. What made him so good in that period was he was trusted, loved, played in his best position, and had players around him who got forward and made runs off him, like Gallagher. He was identified as our best player by Bielsa - he was so good in that early part of the season. I think that, alongside Taylor’s injury, was the turning point in our season. We coped without Taylor for a period of time because players like Williams was phenomenal, we lost our spark when he got injured and I don’t think that’s being too rose tinted. 
    Completely agree, and very sadly we never saw the same player again after he got injured against Derby.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    edited May 2022
    Last 3 posts are completely bang on the money and it’s such a shame because he’d be a fantastic player if he had half of Cullen’s physical toughness, for example, to sustain the levels required. Loved Jonny here.