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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Hylton also didn't score in 30 appearances before that. Marquis is a proven League 1 goalscorer. Admittedly Hylton only had the one season in League 1 for Luton but in a Championship winning team he was third choice. Plus that was probably when he was in his prime. I think bottom end of League 1/top end of League 2 beckons for him.Callumcafc said:I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.0 -
They are using the Charlton Life black box. Height the only metricDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players3 -
We need a lot of quality. We need a forward better than both Aneke and Stockley, and I appreciate Stockley may not be here at the start of the season.
I think we’ve got a crowded midfield but Dobson, Fraser and CBT have the potential to deliver. Kirk is a mystery given the circumstances of last season and how it didn’t work. I don’t know if there is a role for him. I’m not a JFC fan but I appreciate I am in the minority.
DJ and Gilbey are mediocre players that I’ll be happy to see a lot less of if possible next season.Defence is threadbare. Can Clare operate in a 2 man centre back partnership? I’m still scratching my head at Inniss but I presume he’s cover only. We don’t have a right back and Purrington is unknown as to whether he’s staying and to be honest, I think we could do/need better.
Even Mac in goal isn’t someone I would lose sleep over if he left.I think we need a LB, RB, CB and Forward, possibly 2 at a minimum, and I still wouldn’t be that confident6 -
He's not in the League 2 Team of the Year because he's getting ready for the world cup?Cafc43v3r said:
Getting ready for the World Cup.......Chunes said:
Where's Johnny Williams?killerandflash said:For what it's worth, both McKirdy and Wollacott were named in the L2 team of the season, which suggests a certain amount of pedigree
I am sure Elliot Lee will be watching 😚
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Yup keeping the Swindon bench warm so he was fit a ready for those important qualifying games :-)Chunes said:
He's not in the League 2 Team of the Year because he's getting ready for the world cup?Cafc43v3r said:
Getting ready for the World Cup.......Chunes said:
Where's Johnny Williams?killerandflash said:For what it's worth, both McKirdy and Wollacott were named in the L2 team of the season, which suggests a certain amount of pedigree
I am sure Elliot Lee will be watching 😚1 -
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players0 -
He'll be keeping our bench warm soonCafc43v3r said:
Yup keeping the Swindon bench warm so he was fit a ready for those important qualifying games :-)Chunes said:
He's not in the League 2 Team of the Year because he's getting ready for the world cup?Cafc43v3r said:
Getting ready for the World Cup.......Chunes said:
Where's Johnny Williams?killerandflash said:For what it's worth, both McKirdy and Wollacott were named in the L2 team of the season, which suggests a certain amount of pedigree
I am sure Elliot Lee will be watching 😚
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😃😃😃😃Chunes said:
He'll be keeping our bench warm soonCafc43v3r said:
Yup keeping the Swindon bench warm so he was fit a ready for those important qualifying games :-)Chunes said:
He's not in the League 2 Team of the Year because he's getting ready for the world cup?Cafc43v3r said:
Getting ready for the World Cup.......Chunes said:
Where's Johnny Williams?killerandflash said:For what it's worth, both McKirdy and Wollacott were named in the L2 team of the season, which suggests a certain amount of pedigree
I am sure Elliot Lee will be watching 😚
All your Johnny facts for your reading pleasure
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I don't even know what this is 🤯🤯 I read it so now you have to as well.
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Hahahhaa! "Is Johnny Williams Gay?"
That's got to be written by AI0 -
Not saying I love either of them but if I had to choose one, I’d go with Hylton.cafcfan1990 said:
Hylton also didn't score in 30 appearances before that. Marquis is a proven League 1 goalscorer. Admittedly Hylton only had the one season in League 1 for Luton but in a Championship winning team he was third choice. Plus that was probably when he was in his prime. I think bottom end of League 1/top end of League 2 beckons for him.Callumcafc said:I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.0 - Sponsored links:
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Fair enough, I feel the same that I probably wouldn't want either but I'd go Marquis if I had to.Callumcafc said:
Not saying I love either of them but if I had to choose one, I’d go with Hylton.cafcfan1990 said:
Hylton also didn't score in 30 appearances before that. Marquis is a proven League 1 goalscorer. Admittedly Hylton only had the one season in League 1 for Luton but in a Championship winning team he was third choice. Plus that was probably when he was in his prime. I think bottom end of League 1/top end of League 2 beckons for him.Callumcafc said:I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.1 -
Garner went out his way to say in the OS interview how important those intangible aspects like character and personality are in the recruitment process and how much weight he gives to them, not relying just on stats.paulfox said:
do the algorithms take into account the human aspect of players?, surely that’s the one thing a stat can never really account for?, I genuinely don’t know about such things, but the character of someone is usually very high on a managers checklist and separates an otherwise average player statistically to an above average player. This is what I would question about stats orientated signings. I’m guessing all this is taken into account in the process?.BR7_addick said:
Obviously I have no idea of how powerful these things are, but “big data” is a massive part of business these days. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that it includes all sorts of stats like completed passes per game, marks out of 10, crosses, KMs run per game etc.DOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I was very pleased to hear it.6 -
That's hilarious, you should do one for every potential signingScoham said:DOUCHER said:
can't see any of them teams linked being interested - he looked like a nuisance factor and nothing more in the game i saw him playCL_Phantom said:Callumcafc said:
12 League goals since 18/19 I doubt any of those clubs are interested. Thats some really poor agent work right there, I mean come on, make it slightly realistic!Martin’s football analytics toolName: Danny HyltonPlayer type: nuisance
Position: striker
High press ✅ (if legs haven’t gone)
Goalscorer ❌
Decision: shortlist as 10th choice, sign on deadline day if all other targets missed
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Isn't that a photo of our new manager?Callumcafc said:
Or at least what he'll look like before the end of the season!
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He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players0 -
Director of Analysis is his role. The rest of the team I am sure have worked in football and are qualified for their roles but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for the head to be unqualified. He wouldn’t have got that position at any other club in the football league so I think it’s fair to say it’s a slight concern that he is there and that if we had advertised the job there would have been better candidatesRedrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players0 -
Three years between them ('89 vs '92). Does that make Marquis old enough to be your uncle?addick1956 said:
Hylton is old enough to be my dad and I am over 70.Callumcafc said:I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.0 -
Maybe. But Martin Sandgaaard has been in the role for several months now and works closely with Steve Gallen.NabySarr said:
Director of Analysis is his role. The rest of the team I am sure have worked in football and are qualified for their roles but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for the head to be unqualified. He wouldn’t have got that position at any other club in the football league so I think it’s fair to say it’s a slight concern that he is there and that if we had advertised the job there would have been better candidatesRedrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
He must be picking up practical knowhow and experience while working on the job.
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Martin's role has either been previously over hyped by his dad. There could be many reasons why he did that, from proud dad, shift the blame onto Adkins and Roddy etc.NabySarr said:
Director of Analysis is his role. The rest of the team I am sure have worked in football and are qualified for their roles but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for the head to be unqualified. He wouldn’t have got that position at any other club in the football league so I think it’s fair to say it’s a slight concern that he is there and that if we had advertised the job there would have been better candidatesRedrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
Or his role changed and he has less influence than he did.
Or Gallen is telling porkies.
What's happened has happened. What's going to happen next is the important bit.
If lessons have been learnt, improvements made that's fine. If they haven't well who knows. Only time will tell.4 - Sponsored links:
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He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players3 -
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?DamoNorthStand said:
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game.
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.8 -
Has your son got a hard shot though?1
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Source?Redrobo said:
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?DamoNorthStand said:
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game.
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
Has anyone ever said Martin is involved in performance analysis?
Which is a completely different job.0 -
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Yes likewise.👍Henry Irving said:
Garner went out his way to say in the OS interview how important those intangible aspects like character and personality are in the recruitment process and how much weight he gives to them, not relying just on stats.paulfox said:
do the algorithms take into account the human aspect of players?, surely that’s the one thing a stat can never really account for?, I genuinely don’t know about such things, but the character of someone is usually very high on a managers checklist and separates an otherwise average player statistically to an above average player. This is what I would question about stats orientated signings. I’m guessing all this is taken into account in the process?.BR7_addick said:
Obviously I have no idea of how powerful these things are, but “big data” is a massive part of business these days. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that it includes all sorts of stats like completed passes per game, marks out of 10, crosses, KMs run per game etc.DOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I was very pleased to hear it.0 -
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.Redrobo said:
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?DamoNorthStand said:
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game.
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.7 -
But apart from that what do you know about itDamoNorthStand said:
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.Redrobo said:
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?DamoNorthStand said:
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game.
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
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The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.DamoNorthStand said:
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.Redrobo said:
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?DamoNorthStand said:
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game.
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.0 -
You’ve hit the nail on the head there. That’s exactly the challenge - making what is a bloody complicated set of algorithms and data sets into a user friendly app that helps decision makers down the right path.Redrobo said:
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.DamoNorthStand said:
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.Redrobo said:
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?DamoNorthStand said:
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!Redrobo said:
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?NabySarr said:
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experienceDOUCHER said:i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game.
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
I see Gallen and Garner as the decision makers. The role of data simply needs to guide them to maybe 4 or 5 optimised choices. That their human element then works on.
Problem is that the data could be dangerous if it doesn’t provide them with then right 4 options.
I am fascinated with sports performance data but I worry it can’t take into account aspects such as mental fortitude, character etc. I also sit on the board of a business that measure injury risk in professional sport and that was a model that took a lot of people much cleverer than me nearly three years to build.
Its nice TS giving his son a job to learn from but it could cause some serious issues if it’s not done properly.0
