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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Because we had a system where Stockley was isolated in a 4-3-3 in the 13 game chaos at the beginning of last season, there is no way anyone should be isolated in a 3 up front unless you are playing just two wingers with one central striker and the attacking midfielder go AWOL.
Grant and Taylor type forwards to play with Stockley/Aneke would work. CBT on the right or left would also work as long as he's not a wing back. The pacey striker doesn't have to be small ? As long as he can get close to the central striker when the ball comes in from the opposite side.
If anyone is isolated in a 4-3-3 then either the 8 (attacking midfielder) 7 or 11(when on other flank) haven't supported the 9 when the ball is crossed from out wide. DJ struggled to get into the box and Washington was so wide on the left that he was always blocked as he weaved inside onto his right foot. We improved initially when switching to 3-5-2 but too many mediocre players meant we ended up where we deserved in mid table.
Ben Garner should play the system that creates the most chances and hopefully uses CBT in an attacking role.
@NabySarr why should any of our forwards be isolated in a 3 if it played correctly. Not sure what formation Bolton played last season but they always flooded the box with players in transition and when attacking. I know it was a fluid formation !
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Two good signings in two days and then nothing today! Do they expect us to wait until Thursday for the next one?!?7
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Bolton played 3-5-2, if we are planning on playing that then yes we need some pace to go alongside stockley. We will probably play 4-3-3 so I’m saying that we probably won’t sign a smaller quick striker as they usually struggle to play on their own at this level. I’m saying we may need a Taylor/Bonne type to play instead of Stockley as we will still need someone who is big enough to hold the ball up (ideally better at receiving into feet than stockley) but also mobile enough for a high intensity press. Stockley is very good at this level but I’m not sure he fits what garner will want from his number 9soapboxsam said:Because we had a system where Stockley was isolated in a 4-3-3 in the 13 game chaos at the beginning of last season, there is no way anyone should be isolated in a 3 up front unless you are playing just two wingers with one central striker and the attacking midfielder go AWOL.
Grant and Taylor type forwards to play with Stockley/Aneke would work. CBT on the right or left would also work as long as he's not a wing back. The pacey striker doesn't have to be small ? As long as he can get close to the central striker when the ball comes in from the opposite side.
If anyone is isolated in a 4-3-3 then either the 8 (attacking midfielder) 7 or 11(when on other flank) haven't supported the 9 when the ball is crossed from out wide. DJ struggled to get into the box and Washington was so wide on the left that he was always blocked as he weaved inside onto his right foot. We improved initially when switching to 3-5-2 but too many mediocre players meant we ended up where we deserved in mid table.
Ben Garner should play the system that creates the most chances and hopefully uses CBT in an attacking role.
@NabySarr why should any of our forwards be isolated in a 3 if it played correctly. Not sure what formation Bolton played last season but they always flooded the box with players in transition and when attacking. I know it was a fluid formation !0 -
So from our 3 sell on clauses we should net between £2-3m and it will be interesting to see of that is reinvested into the team. You'd hope that given it wasn't expected TS would make a real marque signing, ideally to partner Stockley0
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When Burstow was sold end of Jan for £1.6M plenty on here said it was great business and would be reinvested in the summer. Reality is it will go to cover losses I expect. Would not surprise me if much of any Pope money did the same but we will see. Plenty of time to spend it all on transfer fees yet if TS wants to.CAFCDAZ said:So from our 3 sell on clauses we should net between £2-3m and it will be interesting to see of that is reinvested into the team. You'd hope that given it wasn't expected TS would make a real marque signing, ideally to partner Stockley1 -
When your really playing well (or actually really badly) it shouldn't be obvious, when your attacking, what formation your playing. If it's 442, 352 or 422.soapboxsam said:Because we had a system where Stockley was isolated in a 4-3-3 in the 13 game chaos at the beginning of last season, there is no way anyone should be isolated in a 3 up front unless you are playing just two wingers with one central striker and the attacking midfielder go AWOL.
Grant and Taylor type forwards to play with Stockley/Aneke would work. CBT on the right or left would also work as long as he's not a wing back. The pacey striker doesn't have to be small ? As long as he can get close to the central striker when the ball comes in from the opposite side.
If anyone is isolated in a 4-3-3 then either the 8 (attacking midfielder) 7 or 11(when on other flank) haven't supported the 9 when the ball is crossed from out wide. DJ struggled to get into the box and Washington was so wide on the left that he was always blocked as he weaved inside onto his right foot. We improved initially when switching to 3-5-2 but too many mediocre players meant we ended up where we deserved in mid table.
Ben Garner should play the system that creates the most chances and hopefully uses CBT in an attacking role.
@NabySarr why should any of our forwards be isolated in a 3 if it played correctly. Not sure what formation Bolton played last season but they always flooded the box with players in transition and when attacking. I know it was a fluid formation !
When a player gets in a crossing position there should be 2 or 3 players in the box and 1 or 2 attacking the edge of the area. It doesn't matter where they started.
I think we are sensible enough to know, if we are being honest, that the plan last year was never to just lump it to Stockley with no one, one if you were lucky, within 20 yards of him.
Why it kept happening is probably a more complex issue.0 -
This, and also, didn’t Rotherham and Wigan manage to get promoted without one? Unless I’ve missed something.Cafc43v3r said:
How do you fit them into a 433?golfaddick said:I keep saying it but we need a small, pacey striker to complement the ones we've already got. Preferably one that knows where the goal is.1 -
People were wetting themselves about Ipswich because they brought in a few players same time last season where did they finish ?J BLOCK said:
Make them favourites to win next season based on their window so far.NabySarr said:
Hope this isn’t true. With signing Vaulks yesterday, Sheffield Wednesday are looking very strong if they get these as well 0 -
If you buy good players you have a higher chance of doing well, it’s not rocket science. It doesn’t always work, but invariably does.RonnieMoore said:
People were wetting themselves about Ipswich because they brought in a few players same time last season where did they finish ?J BLOCK said:
Make them favourites to win next season based on their window so far.NabySarr said:Hope this isn’t true. With signing Vaulks yesterday, Sheffield Wednesday are looking very strong if they get these as well 2 -
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24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talent1 -
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talent6 -
Well, the owner of the salon where I have my hair cut in TW & who went to school with JW said he saw him yesterday & had a brief chat....
No insight into where he'll play his football next season but he is around his home area ( Pembury)0 -
Silly little fella. Shame really. What’s your issue, that you prove my point, jumping on shit to spout vacuous crap, get arsey about a post or you’re one of the “mouths” on here? I am not aggressive nor am I little, so you are only 33% right, which sound about right for you. Keep up the good work sweetieValleyGary said:
Hahaha you aggressive little manRoanRedNY said:
People who have seen slights or complaints as anti Sandgaard and then rerunning the moaning about the moaning about the recruitment system. You lot are more than capable of talking shite, picking up people and creating divisions without my help ffs. Get over yourselfValleyGary said:
‘Sandinistas’ what is that all about?RoanRedNY said:The Sandinistas are out in force and sifting through some old perceived slights to throw into a thread, that had just got interesting with the 2 new signings. How the 20 ton irony bucket isn’t hitting them between the eyes when they moan about moaning about a done to death recruitment topic is beyond me.Only hoping there’s some more quality signings coming in soon and as long as they are taking the team forward that’s a good start.
Why are people so eager to create division amongst our fanbase. We all want the same thing dont we?1 -
If anyone is required to help a "virgin" loanee feel at home, it's our Tracey.verycoolguy said:Mazeed Ogungbo, 19, is available for loan from Arsenal.
Regular for the U23’s, can play left-back, left-wing-back, or centre-back.
Would be his first loan though.
No brainer.0 -
Wow,The testosterone levels on here this closed season are truly gushing!!!, imagine if Tommy got his guitar out soon!,, It’s hilarious!!!!😂RoanRedNY said:
Silly little fella. Shame really. What’s your issue, that you prove my point, jumping on shit to spout vacuous crap, get arsey about a post or you’re one of the “mouths” on here? I am not aggressive nor am I little, so you are only 33% right, which sound about right for you. Keep up the good work sweetieValleyGary said:
Hahaha you aggressive little manRoanRedNY said:
People who have seen slights or complaints as anti Sandgaard and then rerunning the moaning about the moaning about the recruitment system. You lot are more than capable of talking shite, picking up people and creating divisions without my help ffs. Get over yourselfValleyGary said:
‘Sandinistas’ what is that all about?RoanRedNY said:The Sandinistas are out in force and sifting through some old perceived slights to throw into a thread, that had just got interesting with the 2 new signings. How the 20 ton irony bucket isn’t hitting them between the eyes when they moan about moaning about a done to death recruitment topic is beyond me.Only hoping there’s some more quality signings coming in soon and as long as they are taking the team forward that’s a good start.
Why are people so eager to create division amongst our fanbase. We all want the same thing dont we?6 -
Similar but not as goodScoham said:
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talentScoham said:
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talent
wld take the swap personally0 -
And Sunderland, and Hull, and Peterborough, and Wycombe, and us......BR7_addick said:
This, and also, didn’t Rotherham and Wigan manage to get promoted without one? Unless I’ve missed something.Cafc43v3r said:
How do you fit them into a 433?golfaddick said:I keep saying it but we need a small, pacey striker to complement the ones we've already got. Preferably one that knows where the goal is.0 -
Above us?RonnieMoore said:
People were wetting themselves about Ipswich because they brought in a few players same time last season where did they finish ?J BLOCK said:
Make them favourites to win next season based on their window so far.NabySarr said:Hope this isn’t true. With signing Vaulks yesterday, Sheffield Wednesday are looking very strong if they get these as well 4 -
'Invariably' means always.J BLOCK said:
If you buy good players you have a higher chance of doing well, it’s not rocket science. It doesn’t always work, but invariably does.RonnieMoore said:
People were wetting themselves about Ipswich because they brought in a few players same time last season where did they finish ?J BLOCK said:
Make them favourites to win next season based on their window so far.NabySarr said:Hope this isn’t true. With signing Vaulks yesterday, Sheffield Wednesday are looking very strong if they get these as well
Apologies J Block!0 -
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RoanRedNY said:
Silly little fella. Shame really. What’s your issue, that you prove my point, jumping on shit to spout vacuous crap, get arsey about a post or you’re one of the “mouths” on here? I am not aggressive nor am I little, so you are only 33% right, which sound about right for you. Keep up the good work sweetieValleyGary said:
Hahaha you aggressive little manRoanRedNY said:
People who have seen slights or complaints as anti Sandgaard and then rerunning the moaning about the moaning about the recruitment system. You lot are more than capable of talking shite, picking up people and creating divisions without my help ffs. Get over yourselfValleyGary said:
‘Sandinistas’ what is that all about?RoanRedNY said:The Sandinistas are out in force and sifting through some old perceived slights to throw into a thread, that had just got interesting with the 2 new signings. How the 20 ton irony bucket isn’t hitting them between the eyes when they moan about moaning about a done to death recruitment topic is beyond me.Only hoping there’s some more quality signings coming in soon and as long as they are taking the team forward that’s a good start.
Why are people so eager to create division amongst our fanbase. We all want the same thing dont we?
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On paper yes but realistically we’re not going to move on a player like Stockley for a slight upgrade.CharltontillidieCOYR said:
Similar but not as goodScoham said:
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talentScoham said:
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talent
wld take the swap personally1 -
In the long term Stockley might well end up moved on/replaced by someone more mobile and versatile but it's one of the less pressing areas to address, especially as the squad size reduction kicks in.Scoham said:
On paper yes but realistically we’re not going to move on a player like Stockley for a slight upgrade.CharltontillidieCOYR said:
Similar but not as goodScoham said:
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talentScoham said:
We were never going to be in for Smith when we have a similar striker in Stockley.CharltontillidieCOYR said:24 goals and 7 assists in 51 games shows he turns up and doesnt miss matches
is what we should be doing buying proven talent
wld take the swap personally
There's been the start of movement to shore up the defence, but more work to be done there. We need more goals from midfield too. Ideally we need a new and improved replacement for Washington too.
I can't see is doing all that AND replacing Stockley in one window.1 -
Too much word salad.soapboxsam said:Because we had a system where Stockley was isolated in a 4-3-3 in the 13 game chaos at the beginning of last season, there is no way anyone should be isolated in a 3 up front unless you are playing just two wingers with one central striker and the attacking midfielder go AWOL.
Grant and Taylor type forwards to play with Stockley/Aneke would work. CBT on the right or left would also work as long as he's not a wing back. The pacey striker doesn't have to be small ? As long as he can get close to the central striker when the ball comes in from the opposite side.
If anyone is isolated in a 4-3-3 then either the 8 (attacking midfielder) 7 or 11(when on other flank) haven't supported the 9 when the ball is crossed from out wide. DJ struggled to get into the box and Washington was so wide on the left that he was always blocked as he weaved inside onto his right foot. We improved initially when switching to 3-5-2 but too many mediocre players meant we ended up where we deserved in mid table.
Ben Garner should play the system that creates the most chances and hopefully uses CBT in an attacking role.
@NabySarr why should any of our forwards be isolated in a 3 if it played correctly. Not sure what formation Bolton played last season but they always flooded the box with players in transition and when attacking. I know it was a fluid formation !
Football is an easy game. Get the ball upfront to a "forward" or an "attacking midfielder" and have as many efforts at goal as possible.
Our problem is that Stockley is not great on the floor so unless the ball is given to him 6ft off the ground he wont score many - not sure that is Garner's usual mode of play though. Aneke is much better with the ball at his feet but he wont be playing 90 mins every week. And Davison is not good either in the air or on the floor. As for our midfield - Purrington who scored 3 last season & has now left outscored them all. That is our problem
I have no bloody clue how Garner is going to set the team up but unless we sign a striker that is good on the floor or we sign a whole new midfield our current players aren't good enough to score 80+ goals this season.
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I am still hopeful that Kirk will stay and show what he can do under a new manager.2
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I agree i saw enough from kirk to show he really lacks any defensive abilities and hated tracking back last season i want him and CBT to be given free rein by BG to stay high up the pitch and pretty much focus on attack only and see what they can do with scaring defencesStarinnaddick said:I am still hopeful that Kirk will stay and show what he can do under a new manager.0 -
Thank you mate, really appreciate that.Richard J said:
Thanks.Braziliance said:
McLaughlin had an incredible season but is 32 and would command a fee, would be a good signing if we already had an established team and were looking to just strengthen for promotion but we need to be looking at next season as wellcharlton_hero said:Top 10 performers in League 2 by average rating for last season. I wonder how many we're looking at.
Louis Reed we are looking at and I think will sign
Evans is being linked to the championship, doubt he’s on our radar
McKirdy I imagine is a target, just whether Swindon will want to sell to us and if he’s in the budget
Adams has gone to Cardiff, tidy player
Cadden is who I’ve wanted to fill our left back role, still young, wand of a left foot, can take set pieces and just adds an extra threat to our attack
Guthrie is a left footer but more of an Innis rather than a Naby. Saying that though assuming Eoghan will be our (I hate this term) quarter back type, we may need someone who can handle aerial threats and in general big target men, he was one of the best at that last season. Would also command a few like McLaughlin though and is month shy of 30, not sure if that will be something we’d look to spend our budget onCan’t say I know anything about Collins
Powell wouldn’t offer us anything, especially if we get Reed, wages spent better elsewhere
Also haven’t heard of Hoskins but he seems to have knocked up some good numbers and Northampton were a good side last season, seems like one of the standouts
Really impressed with your analysis especially after naming O'Connell as a possible target before anyone else.Like I said previously, never have any sources but like to discuss potential players7 -
I still think Stockley will be our main striker with Aneke being used as a impact player but ideally we need a pacy forward especially against certain opposition.
My initial thoughts would be a 4-2-3-1
I think if we plan on playing though the thirds as well as creating chances let's get a decent attacking midfield 3 in and around the box need to move off the ball, make runs and be quick and decisive with it. The full backs can get forward and provide width.
Fraser, CBT, Kirk and DJ all have some ability and can provide again it's down to playing to their strengths.
It does pose another question though on who could partner say Dobson as a double pivot. JFC, Morgan, Gilbey?
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Whilst a pacey forward would be great, you can get away with big men up top at this level IMO, especially if you have pace elsewhere. It is a case of seeing what is available and what can work.2
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Why would jonny Williams be friends with a hair dresser 😂Fanny Fanackapan said:Well, the owner of the salon where I have my hair cut in TW & who went to school with JW said he saw him yesterday & had a brief chat....
No insight into where he'll play his football next season but he is around his home area ( Pembury)26
