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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    Gribbo said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    I wonder what the capacity would be for a concert with fans on the pitch? And how that impacts how they get in and out? Parking, capacity of Charlton Station, getting people from the O2 to the ground.

    Biggest issue I had when working on the Coe / Broughton Chelsea bid was the logistics around increasing the capacity of Stamford Bridge. The council wouldn't allow an extra 25,000 people per game streaming out of Fulham Broadway tube onto the high street so we would have to build a direct link from the tube across to the stadium at a massive cost.

    That was at least partly worth considering as it was a recurring scenario. I dont know how it would work with a one off game.

    Thinking the south would be closed...... people sitting in the north, west and east and on the pitch. What's that gonna be - 40,000? Best chance of controlling the noise would be having the stage facing away from the flats and the sound going the other way..... natural bowl of the North could hold more in from Harvey Gardens direction.
    Even going with 25000; at £45 a ticket (is that the going rate for an outside gig theses days??), it would be £1.25m gross

    Edit* Just looked and Ed Sheeran was £50 to £80 a ticket for his recent London gig
    I think we paid 90 quid ? to stand on the pitch.
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  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,864
    SuedeAdidas said:
    Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?
    Yep. I went to that one.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    charltonbob said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    “In many ways a football club is like any other business,” he said. “I have been involved with many turnarounds before. It is about getting the right people on board and the right culture in place.”

    🤞
    i.e. your family. 

  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,865
    swordfish said:
    So the Valley has played host to 3 concerts in the last 48 years, two with Gliksten as owner, the other Murray. If it were to happen, wouldn't it be Roland's gig seeing as he owns the Valley, or is TS planning on acquiring it before then I wonder? 😉

    It could be negotiable between them perhaps.

    Roland is a stubborn individual, and that is not going to change, but hopefully time may have been a brief healer for him over the last couple of years. Who the hell knows!

    If some kind of gig generates extra income for sir waffle, then maybe the cost of the valley could get reduced.


  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    First date with the now wife was the Elton John gig.

    Will never forgive him even if he said sorry (which I’d doubt he’d say as it’s a pretty difficult word it seems).
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    WSS said:
    First date with the now wife was the Elton John gig.

    Will never forgive him even if he said sorry (which I’d doubt he’d say as it’s a pretty difficult word it seems).
    Don't go on at him like that.....
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    At least you're still standing.....ffs
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    It been no sacrifice at all
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,727
    I'd like him to bring back the Broncos tbh
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  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited July 2022
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    Are you ever happy about anything? 99% of your posts are about criticizing the business decisions of the club. You hardly ever have anything to say about the actual football or share in the joy of an incoming player.
    Take a deep breath and enjoy football and life, you might like it!
    On the whole I don’t bother commenting on things unless I have something to add to what’s already been said. I know nothing about L2 footballers, so while I might research a player to write about them elsewhere I’ve got no current view about four of our six signings (and nothing useful to say about the other two). 

    I’ll be interested to see how they get on, hopefully they will do well,  but that’s about it. I’m certainly not “joyful” about anyone we’ve signed this summer. There isn’t actually any proper football being played yet, but I’ll be at Accrington. How about you?
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Dave2l said:
    swordfish said:
    So the Valley has played host to 3 concerts in the last 48 years, two with Gliksten as owner, the other Murray. If it were to happen, wouldn't it be Roland's gig seeing as he owns the Valley, or is TS planning on acquiring it before then I wonder? 😉

    It could be negotiable between them perhaps.

    Roland is a stubborn individual, and that is not going to change, but hopefully time may have been a brief healer for him over the last couple of years. Who the hell knows!

    If some kind of gig generates extra income for sir waffle, then maybe the cost of the valley could get reduced.


    Depends on what the lease says but I imagine RD wanted shot of all potential liability so our rental won't be match days only (like West Ham) but 365 days a year.  As such I imagine we can hold a gig and pocket any money ourselves. 

    Possibility we need landlords consent but I doubt it and if we do then if TS is a sensible businessman with sensible lawyers he would have had that not to be unreasonably with held anyway.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376

  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    "I looked at a number of clubs including Sunderland......then I looked at Charlton and saw massive revenue potential due to the huge fanbase.."  :#
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    "I looked at a number of clubs including Sunderland......then I looked at Charlton and saw massive revenue potential due to the huge fanbase.."  :#
    Didn’t tick his London box.
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Scoham said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    "I looked at a number of clubs including Sunderland......then I looked at Charlton and saw massive revenue potential due to the huge fanbase.."  :#
    Didn’t tick his London box.
    Yeh, I know.
    There was always going to be a variety of factors in his decision, I was just being a bit cheeky
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    Scoham said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    "I looked at a number of clubs including Sunderland......then I looked at Charlton and saw massive revenue potential due to the huge fanbase.."  :#
    Didn’t tick his London box.

    He didn't know Sunderland wasn't in London?

    Typical skintgaard, can't afford a map of the UK.
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    edited July 2022
    I don't understand why raising the prospect of hosting future concerts poses a potential PR own goal as local residents will object to the idea whatever means of communication is used to keep them informed of the plans.

    I also don't know how you'd conclude that a PR own goal has been scored. The attempt to rename the women's team was one with the number of objections, but there would be plenty of concert goers who'd no doubt welcome the chance to watch live music at the Valley. I would and went to the EJ one!

    How the media choose to portray TS and the Club is beyond his control. He can influence it by his words and deed's, but he doesn't have the final say and some will look to present him and us to reflect their opinions.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to explore potential revenue making opportunities. Indeed, as custodian of the Club, doesn't he have a duty to?

    I certainly wouldn't presume to jump to the conclusion that he's so incompetent as to not realize the Council would need to know or that he'd need a license to host them. It strikes me that past errors are being used to prejudge, unfairly imo, just for the sake of being negative again.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,899
    WSS said:
    First date with the now wife was the Elton John gig.

    Will never forgive him even if he said sorry (which I’d doubt he’d say as it’s a pretty difficult word it seems).
    That's sad so sad
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,899
    Fwiw ..I have been to Elton at the valley and rod Stewart at the Amex .I have seen football at both stadiums.The valley is much more accessible and easier to leave, the Amex is a nightmare 
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  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited July 2022
    swordfish said:
    I don't understand why raising the prospect of hosting future concerts poses a potential PR own goal as local residents will object to the idea whatever means of communication is used to keep them informed of the plans.

    I also don't know how you'd conclude that a PR own goal has been scored. The attempt to rename the women's team was one with the number of objections, but there would be plenty of concert goers who'd no doubt welcome the chance to watch live music at the Valley. I would and went to the EJ one!

    How the media chose to portray TS and the Club is beyond his control. He can influence it by his words and deed's, but he doesn't have the final say and some will look to present him and us to reflect their opinions.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to explore potential revenue making opportunities. Indeed, as custodian of the Club, doesn't he have a duty to?

    I certainly wouldn't presume to jump to the conclusion that he's so incompetent as to not realize the Council would need to know or that he'd need a license to host them. It strikes me that past errors are being used to prejudge, unfairly imo, just for the sake of being negative again.
    I refer you to the long history of conflicts with residents over pop concerts, real and imaginary. This will start a discussion locally that in all probability will end in unnecessary suspicion and bad feeling over something that ultimately won’t happen - either because it doesn’t stack up financially or because the council won’t have it. 

    The market changes so who knows, but rest assured if there was a viable route to profitable concerts at The Valley it would have been followed again since 2006. No harm in looking again, in fact it is sensible, but dropping it into the public domain like this probably isn’t helpful to a successful outcome as it will just antagonise the locals, who in turn will influence the council.

    You may be right that they will object however they find out, but the point of PR is to manage people's response in order to contain the damage. The lack of detail (or substance) here allows the issue to run out of control at the outset.

    Take Charlton's piece of paper about the move to Selhurst Park, distributed to fans as they arrived at a match against Crystal Palace. Fans would always have objected but many were insulted by the means of communication and its tone, whatever the club's intention in dong it that way. 
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    lolwray said:
    Fwiw ..I have been to Elton at the valley and rod Stewart at the Amex .I have seen football at both stadiums.The valley is much more accessible and easier to leave, the Amex is a nightmare 
    That’s mainly due to the quality of the football. 
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    "I looked at a number of clubs including Sunderland......then I looked at Charlton and saw massive revenue potential due to the huge fanbase.."  :#
    Is he saying we’re fat ?
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    edited July 2022
    Airman Brown said:
    swordfish said:
    I don't understand why raising the prospect of hosting future concerts poses a potential PR own goal as local residents will object to the idea whatever means of communication is used to keep them informed of the plans.

    I also don't know how you'd conclude that a PR own goal has been scored. The attempt to rename the women's team was one with the number of objections, but there would be plenty of concert goers who'd no doubt welcome the chance to watch live music at the Valley. I would and went to the EJ one!

    How the media chose to portray TS and the Club is beyond his control. He can influence it by his words and deed's, but he doesn't have the final say and some will look to present him and us to reflect their opinions.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to explore potential revenue making opportunities. Indeed, as custodian of the Club, doesn't he have a duty to?

    I certainly wouldn't presume to jump to the conclusion that he's so incompetent as to not realize the Council would need to know or that he'd need a license to host them. It strikes me that past errors are being used to prejudge, unfairly imo, just for the sake of being negative again.
    I refer you to the long history of conflicts with residents over pop concerts, real and imaginary. This will start a discussion locally that in all probability will end in unnecessary suspicion and bad feeling over something that ultimately won’t happen - either because it doesn’t stack up financially or because the council won’t have it. 

    The market changes so who knows, but rest assured if there was a viable route to profitable concerts at The Valley it would have been followed again since 2006. No harm in looking again, in fact it is sensible, but dropping it into the public domain like this probably isn’t helpful to a successful outcome as it will just antagonise the locals, who in turn will influence the council.

    You may be right that they will object however they find out, but the point of PR is to manage people's response in order to contain the damage. The lack of detail (or substance) here allows the issue to run out of control at the outset.

    Take Charlton's piece of paper about the move to Selhurst Park, distributed to fans as they arrived at a match against Crystal Palace. Fans would always have objected but many were insulted by the means of communication and its tone, whatever the club's intention in dong it that way. 
    It's hard to ignore the fact that there have only been 3 concerts in 48 years. Even I can see there's probably a good reason for that, although I enjoyed the Elton John one. Well, my wife did actually, which is more important! I wasn't particularly a fan of his, but it was a great day out for us.

    You're better placed than me to comment on local council decision making, but from my experience they're such strange beasts. You can feed them the same information and get different outcomes, for reasons which aren't always easily comprehendible, so it's hard to establish precedents for this sort of thing.

    I can't recall how Murray dealt with comms for the EJ one. I presume the locals weren't overjoyed at the prospect of a concert back then either and made their views known, but I remember well the "Message to Our Supporters" bombshell dropping. I wonder how that might have been handled in age of Social Media, and dread to imagine.

    TS can't take back having said that he's considering it as an option for next summer, but if that was a PR mistake, which until we see evidence of the fallout is an unknown, at least he'll be able to factor the response into any future planning as he was just floating an idea.
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    Are you ever happy about anything? 99% of your posts are about criticizing the business decisions of the club. You hardly ever have anything to say about the actual football or share in the joy of an incoming player.
    Take a deep breath and enjoy football and life, you might like it!
    On the whole I don’t bother commenting on things unless I have something to add to what’s already been said. I know nothing about L2 footballers, so while I might research a player to write about them elsewhere I’ve got no current view about four of our six signings (and nothing useful to say about the other two). 

    I’ll be interested to see how they get on, hopefully they will do well,  but that’s about it. I’m certainly not “joyful” about anyone we’ve signed this summer. There isn’t actually any proper football being played yet, but I’ll be at Accrington. How about you?


    Absolutely pathetic, yet absolutely true to form.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    Are you ever happy about anything? 99% of your posts are about criticizing the business decisions of the club. You hardly ever have anything to say about the actual football or share in the joy of an incoming player.
    Take a deep breath and enjoy football and life, you might like it!
    On the whole I don’t bother commenting on things unless I have something to add to what’s already been said. I know nothing about L2 footballers, so while I might research a player to write about them elsewhere I’ve got no current view about four of our six signings (and nothing useful to say about the other two). 

    I’ll be interested to see how they get on, hopefully they will do well,  but that’s about it. I’m certainly not “joyful” about anyone we’ve signed this summer. There isn’t actually any proper football being played yet, but I’ll be at Accrington. How about you?


    Absolutely pathetic, yet absolutely true to form.
    Is Airman wrong then? Perhaps a slightly unnecessary dig as in the grand scheme of things the inaccuracy of how long we’ve been mismanaged doesn’t mean much. But I don’t see much wrong with their post anyway 
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    cafcfan1990 said:
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    Are you ever happy about anything? 99% of your posts are about criticizing the business decisions of the club. You hardly ever have anything to say about the actual football or share in the joy of an incoming player.
    Take a deep breath and enjoy football and life, you might like it!
    On the whole I don’t bother commenting on things unless I have something to add to what’s already been said. I know nothing about L2 footballers, so while I might research a player to write about them elsewhere I’ve got no current view about four of our six signings (and nothing useful to say about the other two). 

    I’ll be interested to see how they get on, hopefully they will do well,  but that’s about it. I’m certainly not “joyful” about anyone we’ve signed this summer. There isn’t actually any proper football being played yet, but I’ll be at Accrington. How about you?


    Absolutely pathetic, yet absolutely true to form.
    Is Airman wrong then? Perhaps a slightly unnecessary dig as in the grand scheme of things the inaccuracy of how long we’ve been mismanaged doesn’t mean much. But I don’t see much wrong with their post anyway 
    It's pedantic beyond belief for yet another cheap unnecessary dig.
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    edited July 2022
    cafcfan1990 said:
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    Are you ever happy about anything? 99% of your posts are about criticizing the business decisions of the club. You hardly ever have anything to say about the actual football or share in the joy of an incoming player.
    Take a deep breath and enjoy football and life, you might like it!
    On the whole I don’t bother commenting on things unless I have something to add to what’s already been said. I know nothing about L2 footballers, so while I might research a player to write about them elsewhere I’ve got no current view about four of our six signings (and nothing useful to say about the other two). 

    I’ll be interested to see how they get on, hopefully they will do well,  but that’s about it. I’m certainly not “joyful” about anyone we’ve signed this summer. There isn’t actually any proper football being played yet, but I’ll be at Accrington. How about you?


    Absolutely pathetic, yet absolutely true to form.
    Is Airman wrong then? Perhaps a slightly unnecessary dig as in the grand scheme of things, the inaccuracy of how long we've been mismanaged doesn't mean much. But I don’t see much wrong with their post anyway
    Exactly! I'd agree with that when the quote is taken in the context of the interview as a whole.

    The inaccuracy over the length of Garner's contract wasn't considered an important factor when Raelynn was judged for her "understand that not to be correct" tweet, posted when she got annoyed seeing Cawley tweet that he understood it to be for two years when it was for three. She was then subjected to criticism for being pedantic in calling out Cawley for it 

    I'm not suggesting Raelynn was right to tweet what she did, but I don't think Airman is necessarily right with this either. However, I accept that he's entitled to make his views on it clear because, as with Raelynn response, he's reacting to something stated that isn't accurate. We were mismanaged for thirteen or so years, but isn't he also being pedantic?

    I'm not sure it's actually a case of double standards being applied though and I'm sure he'll be able to point out the difference for me and anyone else who's interested. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Terrific idea.  
    Maybe Roland might roll with it and change the venue in to an outdoor concert arena if it all works out with some great events at The Valley 

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