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Traffic chaos in Kent
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We slag them off at every opportunity. We don't work collegiately with them, why should they with us. I think, and I know some remainers will disagree, but a PM who treats them as partners and not enemies can improve things within Brexit.4
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I don’t agree with your 2nd sentence but yeah, 100% with you on the third. Let’s hope the next pm and macron heed your advice.MuttleyCAFC said:We slag them off at every opportunity. We don't work collegiately with them, why should they with us. I think, and I know some remainers will disagree, but a PM who treats them as partners and not enemies can improve things within Brexit.0 -
Absolutley. WE LEFT THE EU. Not the other way around. It is a very simple thing to grasp for most.MuttleyCAFC said:We slag them off at every opportunity. We don't work collegiately with them, why should they with us. I think, and I know some remainers will disagree, but a PM who treats them as partners and not enemies can improve things within Brexit.3 -
Yes, there were problems with staffing on Friday did exacerbate the problems. One of the reasons given was that some staff had Covid which is causing problems in so many industries at the moment.stop_shouting said:
Right, but not on the day that started all this off. We all know that brexit has caused delays at the ports. But we have been severely let down by the MP’s who spent years squabbling in the house and being totally unprepared for shit like this when we finally left. The issues on Friday tho were exasperated by the French border staff not turning up for work on the busiest port day of the year. Would be nice if the EU started to act a bit more collegiately with us, if they want us to keep supplying gas to them 😛ME14addick said:
The passport booths were fully manned yesterday.stop_shouting said:
He also blamed the French not bothering to turn up for work but dont let that get in the way of your anti brexit narrative.Stig said:I'd imagine that the CEO of The Port of Dover would have a good idea what the issues are. Here's what he has to say:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/opinion/dover-port-boss-brexit-delays-travel-chaos/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1644402/Port-of-Dover-latest-news-updates-queues-France-Channel-border-holidays-vn
Both the UK & France need to stop the blame game and talk to sort out the problems, with the current leadership battle, the opposite is happening at the moment and we are all suffering because of it.0 -
The next PM who might do that is Starmer. Definitely not the next PM as they play to the gallery and tough words and confrontation with the EU is considered a vote winner.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with your 2nd sentence but yeah, 100% with you on the third. Let’s hope the next pm and macron heed your advice.MuttleyCAFC said:We slag them off at every opportunity. We don't work collegiately with them, why should they with us. I think, and I know some remainers will disagree, but a PM who treats them as partners and not enemies can improve things within Brexit.4 -
Is it a problem for France?
We don’t (yet?) have news of gridlock into Calais, is there gridlock there, anybody know?0 -
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It isn't a problem for France so we have more reason to solve it than them. If we stopped blaming them and worked with them we could find a solution. It is the way we solve illegal immigrants crossing at Calais too and that is a problem for them.1
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Even though I dislike the French I know what they'd be doing of this was happening the other way round in France.ME14addick said:Back to the main topic of this thread, there are still long queues to get to the Eurotunnel check-in booths today, which again impacts local people. Dover is faring better, but there is a lot less freight traffic using the sea crossing on a Suday.
Operation Brock has been a disaster for Kent right from the start. We had months of overnight closures starting in 2017, in order to prepare the M20 for Brock and every time the M20 is closed, all traffic is diverted onto the A20 or M2/A2.
At the start of this year, the Highways Agency in their wisdom, decided that storing the concrete barrier on the hard shoulder was no longer acceptable and advised that there would be a whole YEAR of roadworks and overnight closures on the M20 between junctions 8 & 9, whilst they prepared the central reservation for storing the concrete barrier. Those works are still in progress, so the concrete barrier is still being used to reduce the London bound carriageway to 2 lanes, even if Brock is not in operation.
Even when Brock is not in operation, there is a 50mph speed limit and both carriageways are restricted to 2 lanes, which is wholly inadequate to take the volume of traffic. As soon as there is an accident or breakdown in the Brock section, traffic chaos ensues.
When Brock is operating, all EU freight traffic has to use the coastbound carriageway and non EU freight should use the contraflow on the London bound carriageway. This weekend, that is not happening because they have closed the coastbound contraflow and pushed all non EU freight onto the A20, which cannot cope with the extra traffic. Villages like Harrietsham & Lenham become clogged and local people cannot freely move around.
Something needs to be put in place very soon, as when biometric checks come into force, there will be even greater problems. I did vote Brexit to my shame, but I'm not afraid to admit that it has been a disaster for Kent and the whole of Great Britain. The best thing for the UK & the EU would be a customs union, however the 'great oven-ready deal' has brought the hardest possible Brexit, with all the problems that entails.
Blaming the French for everything is so counter-productive. We need to work with the French to stop the people smugglers at source, instead we have a Govt. leadership battle stirring up more trouble. The best way to sort out all the problems is to have amiable talks, not a blame game.
Riots.
If it was something that angered the 15-30 year olds no doubt there might be some civil unrest. As it mainly disrupts "middle england" no one is going to do anything.
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Will I be able to get to Bluewater today with no isues? Got a booking at The Big Easy.
Also, I see the HoC page has been shut down, presumably because people can't behave themselves, which explains why all the angry people are now back on here for all the normal folk to endure
Brace yourselves, people
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Bank on BBW, been a very helpful thread in the past for those people living or travelling to Kent, now its been hijacked by the HOC loonies.Big_Bad_World said:Will I be able to get to Bluewater today with no isues? Got a booking at The Big Easy.
Also, I see the HoC page has been shut down, presumably because people can't behave themselves, which explains why all the angry people are now back on here for all the normal folk to endure
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The thread contains evidence from port authorities and others of significance that indicate the roads are Doverwhelmed because of the vote to leave.
There are no HOC ‘loonies’ nor abnormal people posting on this thread.
Personal attacks on posters has been avoided until possibly around now when the notion of loony and normality has been introduced.10 -
There is a problem which is the headline story on the news and people are discussing it and potential solutions. Whatever their position, they are the sort of people we need to see rather than those that call them loonies for having views and opinions. Pathetic really.5
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"Normal folk" made this chaos happen.
But blame us for pointing it out, why doncha.
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Let the trigger-fest/snowflakery (that's how this all goes, right?) commence.
I'm off out to chance the traffic to Bluewater.1 -
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BrilliantAlgarveaddick said:4 -
Back to traffic chaos in Kent!
The M2 looks pretty bad according to Google Maps, as does the A249 northbound towards J5 of the M2. This is probably as a result of Highways England messages on the M20 at J6/J7 telling Dover tourist traffic to use the A249 and M2.
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This is really simple to understand. When the U.K. was part of the EU then only cursory checks were required when entering France from the U.K. This would often entail a look see if the photo matched the face and at busy times even this was often dispensed with. Now we are a “third country” the French border officials are required to check the above but also to check whether the return date is beyond 90 days which would require an extended stay visa. They should check this by looking at the return ticket or asking the question. They then stamp the passport/s It’s what border controls are designed to do. When we were part of the EU club these requirements were collectively greatly reduced. We can safely say that a car of four would under older systems take 20 - 30 seconds and now takes at least double that and without the possibility of waiving the checks at busy times. This is exactly what the U.K. wanted and asked for. Try pitching up at an airport or port in the U.K. with anything other than an Irish passport and see what’s required by the U.K. border force. Taking control of one’s borders is a two way street. It seems to me that the problem is a combination of the above plus a complete lack of forward planning by the U.K. government for a problem that was inevitable.9
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Are you sure the problem isn’t caused by people who post on the House of Commoners section of Charlton Life?5
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No. Just you Seth 😉seth plum said:Are you sure the problem isn’t caused by people who post on the House of Commoners section of Charlton Life?0 -
My honest view is that a lot of the problems this country now faces is more down to the type of people that don't post on the HoCs than the type that do. People who dont think about and have views on important issues are, and I'll say it again, pathetic.seth plum said:Are you sure the problem isn’t caused by people who post on the House of Commoners section of Charlton Life?7 -
Maidstone Borough Council has posted some advice for people in the Borough affected by Operation Brock
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKMBC/bulletins/324cbe7
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Mr Farage won't have a problem at the border, he has a German passport and his other Brexit buddy Boris Johnson has a French one. Ahh isn't that nice for them.Algarveaddick said:
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My Grandad had free movement around Europe, and all he had was a .303 Lee Enfield rifle and a bayonet.
My Dad just dropped in, he didn't have to f@ck about with passports either.7 -
Actually I think the opposite. Yes, we left the EU but the EU didnt want us to leave & did all they could to delay it & put obstacles in the way. It was like a divorce where both parties wanted more than they were due. If it was amicable then the French would have been doing more on their side re border control. More so in Ireland where the South very strongly want one nation so they are hardly going to help the UK move away from them.Algarveaddick said:
Absolutley. WE LEFT THE EU. Not the other way around. It is a very simple thing to grasp for most.MuttleyCAFC said:We slag them off at every opportunity. We don't work collegiately with them, why should they with us. I think, and I know some remainers will disagree, but a PM who treats them as partners and not enemies can improve things within Brexit.2 -
So are you suggesting the Dover chaos could be resolved if holidaymakers turned up armed ? If not. What’s the point of your post ?usetobunkin said:My Grandad had free movement around Europe, and all he had was a .303 Lee Enfield rifle and a bayonet.
My Dad just dropped in, he didn't have to f@ck about with passports either.0 -
Oh slightly off topic but Brexit related. The government this week now made it legal to employ agency workers to replace workers who have lawfully balloted for a strike. This was illegal under EU rules but now any strike by unskilled workers is pointless, the irony being that the so called working class voted for Brexit, thus sentencing themselves to slavery.4
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The EU left us?golfaddick said:
Actually I think the opposite. Yes, we left the EU but the EU didnt want us to leave & did all they could to delay it & put obstacles in the way. It was like a divorce where both parties wanted more than they were due. If it was amicable then the French would have been doing more on their side re border control. More so in Ireland where the South very strongly want one nation so they are hardly going to help the UK move away from them.Algarveaddick said:
Absolutley. WE LEFT THE EU. Not the other way around. It is a very simple thing to grasp for most.MuttleyCAFC said:We slag them off at every opportunity. We don't work collegiately with them, why should they with us. I think, and I know some remainers will disagree, but a PM who treats them as partners and not enemies can improve things within Brexit.
Give me strength...
I did say most, not all.
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