Traffic chaos in Kent
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I am not a 'remoaner' as you put it, I voted to leave, but can now see the damage that decision has had on the UK. It is not only a disaster for Kent, with the traffic chaos caused by our decision to place a border between ourselves and the EU, but is having a dramatic effect on our economy as well. The lack of free movement is having a dramatic effect on staff shortages too. The NHS in particular desperately needs more staff and they could come from the EU if we let them.thickandthin63 said:What a load of bollocks on here by the remoaners.The vast majority of people do not give a shit about the more intricate side of politics.When the vote to leave was taken,"The Majority " of the voters where pissed off with being told what to do by other countries,pissed off with our own laws and court judgements being subject to over ruling by a load of pumped up over paid,un elected self indulgant popinjays in Brussels and Strasbourg,have any of you ever seen the extravagant buildings,the fleets of Mercedes which constantly ferry noneties about holding volumes of paper which are probably blank.If the French or whoever else in the EU wants to punish us by delaying our holiday makers,thats a pitiful reaction to not getting their own way,personally the EU countries can get stuffed.Look how they policed the Champions league final,blamed the English for everything.As far as I am concerned they can get knotted I wouldnt set foot in their little republic for anything.
I stopped reading the Daily Mail when I realised how much rubbish and lies they print and how it was influencing my thinking.7 -
Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’6 -
Reading some of the comments here, it's no wonder the country's fucked.6
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This is the exact mentality that’s fucked us and going to fuck us for a long time.Lordflashheart said:Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’5 -
What the mentality that the French have currently adopted ?ShootersHillGuru said:
This is the exact mentality that’s fucked us and going to fuck us for a long time.Lordflashheart said:Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’3 -
https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1551474000567623680?s=21&t=uV6DAfiCvTbklsUPul2F2gPoor old Andrew Pierce made to look silly here. Is this the turning point where we start listening to experts in the field again (The Mick Lynch’s, Simon Calder’s and CEO’s of the actual thing in question) rather than mail columnists and our proud flaggy feelings?
I’m doubtful but let’s see. As the reality hits home more and more you'd like to think so. And again I must stress, brexit voter here not a remainiac of whatever the Twitter nicknames are these days.3 -
It is true that some countries are applying the shengen checks more rigidly but we shouldn't assume it is out of spite. The French are one nation that do it all properly whilst the Italians tend to be more flexible. The bottom line is that we are now treated differently because we chose to be treated differently.
We expect our border controls to do things properly but blame the French for doing the same.7 -
I have some questions around this. Are you saying that the airport in Paris has 3 queues? One for French/EU nationals, one for UK nationals and another for non-EU/rest of the world? Or 4, with a separate queue for former French colonies?Lordflashheart said:Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’
Because that's the only way what you're saying seems to make sense to me. Wouldn't that be like us having a separate desk open at Heathrow for Aussies?3 -
The conspiracy that the French citizens working the passport booths are systematically and physically slowing down their day job to get their own back on a decision we made in 2016 is as bizarre as it is stupid.British exceptionalism at its finest. It’s taken people to a place where they say things like this out loud rather than admit we’ve have a mare with brexit in this instance, staggering.8
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I have no idea - simply passing on what he said - no reason to disbelieve himBournemouth Addick said:
I have some questions around this. Are you saying that the airport in Paris has 3 queues? One for French/EU nationals, one for UK nationals and another for non-EU/rest of the world? Or 4, with a separate queue for former French colonies?Lordflashheart said:Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’
Because that's the only way what you're saying seems to make sense to me. Wouldn't that be like us having a separate desk open at Heathrow for Aussies?0 - Sponsored links:
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People need to stop the predictable victim mentality and realise that UK citizens are now just subject to the same checks that, for example, Moroccans face when crossing the border with Spain in Ceuta: long queues and more stringent checks than it was before for Brits. Blindingly obvious it's due to the hard border that many people wanted and that they'd expect otherwise is strange, and definitely an example of exceptionalism. There are plenty of great places for Brits to visit in the UK if they want to avoid the hassle though the effect on trade movement is going to be a big problem.4
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Simple solution. Don't go to France.2
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Before Schengen I remember the queues at the Italian- French border. Both ways there were hour long queues. I thought about that as I sat in a queue at Dover last Thursday. It was frustrating but since we are out of Schengen it comes as no surprise - our movement around Europe is no longer free.
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Blame Boris, for all the lies he told us .3
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Nadou said:Before Schengen I remember the queues at the Italian- French border. Both ways there were hour long queues. I thought about that as I sat in a queue at Dover last Thursday. It was frustrating but since we are out of Schengen it comes as no surprise - our movement around Europe is no longer free.
We were never in Schengen.
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Quite difficult if you want to drive to Spain.Big_Bad_World said:Simple solution. Don't go to France.
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Like moths to the flame.3
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Quite right we opted out of it - another example of how flexible the EU was with us. But we had no border controls and free movement - rights were lost when we left the EU, along with other things.Dansk_Red said:Nadou said:Before Schengen I remember the queues at the Italian- French border. Both ways there were hour long queues. I thought about that as I sat in a queue at Dover last Thursday. It was frustrating but since we are out of Schengen it comes as no surprise - our movement around Europe is no longer free.
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That's a choice so is also avoidable. Especially if you are disabled and in possession of a blue badge. British disabled people aren't recognised in some EU countries.stevexreeve said:
Quite difficult if you want to drive to Spain.Big_Bad_World said:Simple solution. Don't go to France.0 - Sponsored links:
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Ferry from Portsmouth to Santander or Bilbaostevexreeve said:
Quite difficult if you want to drive to Spain.Big_Bad_World said:Simple solution. Don't go to France.3 -
Part of the problem is that there is now only Dover you can catch a ferry from, there used to be Ramsgate, Folkstone and for a brief period Sherness.
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Didn’t we invent the queue? This is just us maintaining our culture, finally, a brexit benefit.5
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Fair enough. Just read your post again and you said he has dual nationality so presumably went through on his French passport rather than his Lebanese one. Makes more sense in that case.Lordflashheart said:
I have no idea - simply passing on what he said - no reason to disbelieve himBournemouth Addick said:
I have some questions around this. Are you saying that the airport in Paris has 3 queues? One for French/EU nationals, one for UK nationals and another for non-EU/rest of the world? Or 4, with a separate queue for former French colonies?Lordflashheart said:Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’
Because that's the only way what you're saying seems to make sense to me. Wouldn't that be like us having a separate desk open at Heathrow for Aussies?0 -
Channel Tunnel killed Ramsgate and Folkestone, albeit Ramsgate could be brought back to lifeDansk_Red said:Part of the problem is that there is now only Dover you can catch a ferry from, there used to be Ramsgate, Folkstone and for a brief period Sherness.
I remember Olau Line from Sheerness - I went to Holland from there with them0 -
I will ask him - his dual nationality is Lebanese and BritishBournemouth Addick said:
Fair enough. Just read your post again and you said he has dual nationality so presumably went through on his French passport rather than his Lebanese one. Makes more sense in that case.Lordflashheart said:
I have no idea - simply passing on what he said - no reason to disbelieve himBournemouth Addick said:
I have some questions around this. Are you saying that the airport in Paris has 3 queues? One for French/EU nationals, one for UK nationals and another for non-EU/rest of the world? Or 4, with a separate queue for former French colonies?Lordflashheart said:Client of mine was at Paris airport - queue for British passport holders was very long, and the French were being deliberately slow - he holds dual nationality, so used his Lebanese passport to go through a different booth - in his view they are doing it deliberately because they are annoyed about Brexit
Mind you, the French have form for being ignorant and having short memories - in 1966 De Gaulle ordered all US troops to leave France - Dean Rusk (US Secretary of State) replied ‘does that include the 60,000 dead ones in cemeteries’
Because that's the only way what you're saying seems to make sense to me. Wouldn't that be like us having a separate desk open at Heathrow for Aussies?0 -
But we did have free movement which I think is what Nadou meant.Dansk_Red said:Nadou said:Before Schengen I remember the queues at the Italian- French border. Both ways there were hour long queues. I thought about that as I sat in a queue at Dover last Thursday. It was frustrating but since we are out of Schengen it comes as no surprise - our movement around Europe is no longer free.
We were never in Schengen.0 -
Would appear that Non EU nationals only have one access queue. Certainly at CDG. Lebanon on list of countries requiring a non Schengen visa too.
https://easycdg.com/passenger-information/immigration-passport-paris-cdg-airport/
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France is resisting efforts to increase daily Eurostar services in a fresh twist to a row between border guards and travel companies that last week tipped millions of summer holidays into chaos.
In a dispute that will draw parallels with a row that brought Dover to standstill on Friday, border officials in Paris are at loggerheads with the Channel Tunnel train operator over its plans to add to the number of trains running between London and Paris every day.
Eurostar, whose future was put in doubt last year in a funding row between France and the UK, is understood to be pushing to increase the number of services between the two capitals to 17 a day.
City sources said that the desire to ramp up services was in part to honour commitments contained in leasing agreements for Eurostar’s fleet of Velaro trains, built by Siemens at a cost of €600m (£510m).
Failure to hit this frequency could cause financial issues with honouring lease payments in the fullness of time, sources said. However, they said that there was no suggestion of an immediate threat to the company.
French border and security officials at Gare du Nord are understood to be insisting that they can only cope with a maximum of 13 trains a day, causing a significant headache for Eurostar bosses and hurting hopes of capturing a boom in demand for overseas travel this summer.
An extra four services would allow thousands more people to travel to the Continent every day, easing pressure on ferries and airlines after passengers suffered a wave of flight cancellations and hours-long traffic jams around Dover.
Eurostar wants to run 17 trains between London and Paris per day - CHRISTOPHE PETIT TESSON/EPA-EFE/ShutterstockFrance is resisting efforts to increase daily Eurostar services in a fresh twist to a row between border guards and travel companies that last week tipped millions of summer holidays into chaos.
In a dispute that will draw parallels with a row that brought Dover to standstill on Friday, border officials in Paris are at loggerheads with the Channel Tunnel train operator over its plans to add to the number of trains running between London and Paris every day.
Eurostar, whose future was put in doubt last year in a funding row between France and the UK, is understood to be pushing to increase the number of services between the two capitals to 17 a day.
City sources said that the desire to ramp up services was in part to honour commitments contained in leasing agreements for Eurostar’s fleet of Velaro trains, built by Siemens at a cost of €600m (£510m).
- ADVERTISEMENT -Failure to hit this frequency could cause financial issues with honouring lease payments in the fullness of time, sources said. However, they said that there was no suggestion of an immediate threat to the company.
French border and security officials at Gare du Nord are understood to be insisting that they can only cope with a maximum of 13 trains a day, causing a significant headache for Eurostar bosses and hurting hopes of capturing a boom in demand for overseas travel this summer.
An extra four services would allow thousands more people to travel to the Continent every day, easing pressure on ferries and airlines after passengers suffered a wave of flight cancellations and hours-long traffic jams around Dover.
Frustrated holidaymakers queued for hours to board ferries at Dover on 22 July - Chris Ratcliffe/BloombergEurostar ran around 25 services each day prior to the pandemic, including to destinations such as Brussels and Amsterdam as well as Paris.
French border police and security scanning personnel claim that they are suffering from chronic staffing shortages and cannot handle more train services, sources said.
One said: “It's in no-one's interest to upset the apple cart. Getting on top of the post-pandemic surge in demand requires goodwill and collaboration on all sides.”
On Friday, border officials from Police Aux Frontières (PAF) sparked chaos at Dover amid claims that staff failed to turn up to work.
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Just asked my client - he says they had one booth for British passport holders, and several other ones for ‘other’ - he went up to one of the other booths, which had no queue, and they let him through, but did say to him that he should have been in the queue where all the Brits were queuingShootersHillGuru said:Would appear that Non EU nationals only have one access queue. Certainly at CDG. Lebanon on list of countries requiring a non Schengen visa too.
https://easycdg.com/passenger-information/immigration-passport-paris-cdg-airport/
I think he may be a little confused in his thoughts that the queue with all the Brits was solely for Brits - it’s as you describe above, but as it was a flight to London the vast majority of travellers were Brits
The point he made to me, is that the queue was very long, and there were passport people sat at empty booths doing nothing - why couldn’t they reduce the queue by putting people through some of the other booths - he is sure some people missed the flight by being stuck in the queue
He doubts that would have ‘bent the rules’ if he had gone up to an empty booth with his British passport1
