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thickandthin63 said:ME14addick said:thickandthin63 said:What a load of bollocks on here by the remoaners.The vast majority of people do not give a shit about the more intricate side of politics.When the vote to leave was taken,"The Majority " of the voters where pissed off with being told what to do by other countries,pissed off with our own laws and court judgements being subject to over ruling by a load of pumped up over paid,un elected self indulgant popinjays in Brussels and Strasbourg,have any of you ever seen the extravagant buildings,the fleets of Mercedes which constantly ferry noneties about holding volumes of paper which are probably blank.If the French or whoever else in the EU wants to punish us by delaying our holiday makers,thats a pitiful reaction to not getting their own way,personally the EU countries can get stuffed.Look how they policed the Champions league final,blamed the English for everything.As far as I am concerned they can get knotted I wouldnt set foot in their little republic for anything.
I stopped reading the Daily Mail when I realised how much rubbish and lies they print and how it was influencing my thinking.
While agreeing more could be done to get EU workers here,the laws had to be tightened the amount of "dodgy" workers here prior to brexit was astronomical,perhaps now they will have to be on "the book" the prospect of coming here is less attractive,I still get the Mail but only for the excellent puzzle pages,just reading one or two pages and I am at the wrist slashing stage.
Something has to change to get more workers into the NHS. A damning report on the Government's handling of the NHS has been published today, highlighting the massive shortage of Doctors, nurses, midwives, GPs and healthcare workers. Staff shortages are threatening the safety of patients and staff.
Just seen a report on border checks on BBC South East News, when it it was stated that people will have to get out of their vehicles to undergo biometric checks such as facial recognition and fingerprint checks.
We could have had a better system but Boris signed an agreement for the hardest possible Brexit. We need an honest conversation in this country about the effects of Brexit. A compromise would be to rejoin the customs union and single market.
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ken from bexley said:Essentially been a hostage to this nonsense in Hythe since Friday, We apparently have the issue of some 'politicians' now proposing lorry parks, and utilising Manston airport, which was always available, but the resilience forum, and others refused to consider this, several months ago. That alone will not solve the issue, as in the opinion of many it will need a holding bay before Maidstone, and and for the private companies that operate Eurotunnel , and the Ferry operators to draw up plans to facilitate, this with KCC, and Highways England, and pay for it!
Having had a new knee cap three weeks ago, I am still recovering from mobility issues, I hope to be driven up to Bexley tommorow, and probably face the A20 on the way home.
This needs to be sorted out ASAP, to me there is not one thing that can be done, but a number of things that need to be implemented, and that will take years to come on stream in my opinion.
In the meantime the village roads of Kent are screwed!, and hard luck the residents.
All this after 6 years of poor management, and a lack of vision.
Blaming the French is a pointless exercise, we need our so called 'leaders' to come out with proposals which stops the M20 being lorry park, the one intention it claimed not to want to do!.
Why any poor HGV driver would want to come to the UK and face this nonsense is both unfair and not fit for purpose, no toilets, showering, and a complete lack of parking, let alone a decent hot meal is scandalous.
Hopefully, there is a solution/s to this mess, but frankly it escapes me and any resident down here!
They also did try using Manston as a lorry park but that meant using the M2 rather than the M20 so many lorry drivers didnt bother.
The problem is a bit like the housing situation - too many people trying to fit into too little space.
What happened to the proposed lorry park at J11 nr Hythe ?0 -
Of course we have got a joker in our hand but we don't want to play it. It would sort this out, sort out Northern Ireland and bring an instant boost to our economy when we really need it.2
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ShootersHillGuru said:Chippycafc said:A guy on LBC this morning (Nick Ferrari circa 09.35) said last month it took about 5 minutes to get through the french passport booth for his wife and himself, he said he scanned their passports, looked out the window had a chat with his female colleague then looked out the window again and basically wasted time doing nothing till he stamped their passports. The French oh so love us, till the Russians are coming....
Thats 12 and its occupants an hour, x that by about 5 booths open this weekend that's 60 cars an hour.
Could do it quicker from my front room 130 miles away.0 -
ME14addick said:A great place for walking along the cliffs with views across to France, nice cafe there too. Parking is free for National Trust members.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-white-cliffs-of-dover0 -
stop_shouting said:ME14addick said:A great place for walking along the cliffs with views across to France, nice cafe there too. Parking is free for National Trust members.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-white-cliffs-of-dover1 -
stop_shouting said:ME14addick said:A great place for walking along the cliffs with views across to France, nice cafe there too. Parking is free for National Trust members.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-white-cliffs-of-dover
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-white-cliffs-of-dover#Prices
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stop_shouting said:ShootersHillGuru said:Chippycafc said:A guy on LBC this morning (Nick Ferrari circa 09.35) said last month it took about 5 minutes to get through the french passport booth for his wife and himself, he said he scanned their passports, looked out the window had a chat with his female colleague then looked out the window again and basically wasted time doing nothing till he stamped their passports. The French oh so love us, till the Russians are coming....
Thats 12 and its occupants an hour, x that by about 5 booths open this weekend that's 60 cars an hour.
Could do it quicker from my front room 130 miles away.0 -
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Bromley Graham said:stop_shouting said:ShootersHillGuru said:Chippycafc said:A guy on LBC this morning (Nick Ferrari circa 09.35) said last month it took about 5 minutes to get through the french passport booth for his wife and himself, he said he scanned their passports, looked out the window had a chat with his female colleague then looked out the window again and basically wasted time doing nothing till he stamped their passports. The French oh so love us, till the Russians are coming....
Thats 12 and its occupants an hour, x that by about 5 booths open this weekend that's 60 cars an hour.
Could do it quicker from my front room 130 miles away.0 - Sponsored links:
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stop_shouting said:Bromley Graham said:stop_shouting said:ShootersHillGuru said:Chippycafc said:A guy on LBC this morning (Nick Ferrari circa 09.35) said last month it took about 5 minutes to get through the french passport booth for his wife and himself, he said he scanned their passports, looked out the window had a chat with his female colleague then looked out the window again and basically wasted time doing nothing till he stamped their passports. The French oh so love us, till the Russians are coming....
Thats 12 and its occupants an hour, x that by about 5 booths open this weekend that's 60 cars an hour.
Could do it quicker from my front room 130 miles away.0 -
ME14addick said:thickandthin63 said:ME14addick said:thickandthin63 said:What a load of bollocks on here by the remoaners.The vast majority of people do not give a shit about the more intricate side of politics.When the vote to leave was taken,"The Majority " of the voters where pissed off with being told what to do by other countries,pissed off with our own laws and court judgements being subject to over ruling by a load of pumped up over paid,un elected self indulgant popinjays in Brussels and Strasbourg,have any of you ever seen the extravagant buildings,the fleets of Mercedes which constantly ferry noneties about holding volumes of paper which are probably blank.If the French or whoever else in the EU wants to punish us by delaying our holiday makers,thats a pitiful reaction to not getting their own way,personally the EU countries can get stuffed.Look how they policed the Champions league final,blamed the English for everything.As far as I am concerned they can get knotted I wouldnt set foot in their little republic for anything.
I stopped reading the Daily Mail when I realised how much rubbish and lies they print and how it was influencing my thinking.
While agreeing more could be done to get EU workers here,the laws had to be tightened the amount of "dodgy" workers here prior to brexit was astronomical,perhaps now they will have to be on "the book" the prospect of coming here is less attractive,I still get the Mail but only for the excellent puzzle pages,just reading one or two pages and I am at the wrist slashing stage.
Something has to change to get more workers into the NHS. A damning report on the Government's handling of the NHS has been published today, highlighting the massive shortage of Doctors, nurses, midwives, GPs and healthcare workers. Staff shortages are threatening the safety of patients and staff.
Just seen a report on border checks on BBC South East News, when it it was stated that people will have to get out of their vehicles to undergo biometric checks such as facial recognition and fingerprint checks.
We could have had a better system but Boris signed an agreement for the hardest possible Brexit. We need an honest conversation in this country about the effects of Brexit. A compromise would be to rejoin the customs union and single market.0 -
Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.5 -
Looking at Googlemaps this morning, it would appear that Dover TAP is in place again this morning, the scheme whereby HGVs queue up on lane 1of the A20 on the approach to Dover. This is a regular occurrence since greater checks were introduced after we left the EU.0
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ME14addick said:Looking at Googlemaps this morning, it would appear that Dover TAP is in place again this morning, the scheme whereby HGVs queue up on lane 1of the A20 on the approach to Dover. This is a regular occurrence since greater checks were introduced after we left the EU.And J7 at Brenley corner is down to one lane so that they can turn the lorries back towards the M20 via the A249. Presently showing a 2 mile tailback. This is becoming more regular too.1
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MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.2 -
man_at_milletts said:ME14addick said:Looking at Googlemaps this morning, it would appear that Dover TAP is in place again this morning, the scheme whereby HGVs queue up on lane 1of the A20 on the approach to Dover. This is a regular occurrence since greater checks were introduced after we left the EU.And J7 at Brenley corner is down to one lane so that they can turn the lorries back towards the M20 via the A249. Presently showing a 2 mile tailback. This is becoming more regular too.0
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If we look at this in reverse.
If France had just left the UK, having been a significant contributor to the UK funding, leaving England to pay more to support the poorer regions, would we bother putting on enough staff to check them when they enter England?
I am pretty certain we would not.
In fact we might revel in the trouble we could cause them by not having enough staff to complete a very simple border check.5 -
thickandthin63 said:MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.
I don't understand how, 6 years after the referendum, so many people with such strong views, still don't understand how the Single Market and Customs Union works and about its founding principles.
We decided to place ourselves on the outside of the EU border. No one else. It's about time as a country we started accepting what that means, doing what little we can to mitigate that stupidity and cut out the British exceptionalism.17 -
thickandthin63 said:MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.
There may be 17 million different reasons why that happened, but the single identifiable fact is that there was a desire to leave.
What we have now are the practical consequences of voting to leave, which is yet to happen. One consequence is that the UK is rightly regarded by EU countries as nothing to do with them, and can be engaged with in the same way they might wish to engage with Iran.
It might even be that leave voters are content that foreigners are suffering in trying to get home, because those voters voted to have nothing to do with said foreigners any more.
Good natured mutual cooperation was voted out and left the building in 2016. The EU is certainly not point scoring but behaving with an equal attitude to the UK as it would to any third country.6 - Sponsored links:
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thickandthin63 said:MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.
It is irrelevant if we think the French could do more or not. The question should be, can we do something and I honestly think a change of attitude can achieve a lot.3 -
MuttleyCAFC said:thickandthin63 said:MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.
It is irrelevant if we think the French could do more or not. The question should be, can we do something and I honestly think a change of attitude can achieve a lot.
If it's not Brexit then what they're effectively saying is large parts of Kent can be brought to a standstill because 5 or 6 French people were an hour or two late to work. Which is it?
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Bournemouth Addick said:MuttleyCAFC said:thickandthin63 said:MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.
It is irrelevant if we think the French could do more or not. The question should be, can we do something and I honestly think a change of attitude can achieve a lot.
If it's not Brexit then what they're effectively saying is large parts of Kent can be brought to a standstill because 5 or 6 French people were an hour or two late to work. Which is it?3 -
It isn't even just Brexit itself, it's the way we chose to negotiate it. The UK opted via the ERG and the Tories, for the hardest Brexit possible (no free movement of people etc). There is now a 90 day stay law in operation, as those wjo voted for Brexit rightly or wrongly wanted us to be treated as a third country. So now there is a limit on how long Brits can be in the Uk and how often they can travel, all of which needs checking at the border. For those who feel the French could just do us a favour and wave the cars through, home office advice is to get the passport stamped to avoid being in the position of being accused of overstaying the legal time possible and facing legal action.
And the fact that the two candidates to be the next PM are happy to stand up and lie about this shows exactly how far we are from solving it. But hey, French people eh!!13 -
Let me get this straight. The tourism industry is worth £200bn to the French Economy. 15% of overseas tourists come from the UK, but apparently French Officials as so annoyed with Brexit that they are deliberately setting out to antagonise British tourists from the very start of their holidays, leading certain British people to declare that the simple solution is, 'Don't go to France'. Project Bewilderment certainly is working well isn't it.10
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thickandthin63 said:MuttleyCAFC said:Sadly, I don't think it is something we can do until the Conservative party sorts itself out. We need a consensus and we have the malevolent press who tell gullible people what to think and it would be presented as a return to the EU, despite being something even Farage supported before the vote and the Brexit side kept saying a deal would be done.
I think there are things that can be done in the meantime by simply having a different relationship with the EU. One of friendship and respect. I think some major problems can be tackled if we treat France as partners.
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Sadly so many people will swallow the obvious lie it's the French's/someone else's fault. The politicians must go back to their offices after saying this and shake their heads in disbelief that people could actually believe this - it makes their job so much easier. They had years to sort this all out but must have calculated that enough people would accept it's someone else's fault, as always. People in the UK deserve so much better than this.5
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Sadly in the short term, pragmatism is required from Brexiters and Remainers alike. We are where we are and a path to where we want to be needs to be negotiated.1
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The French are entitled to have all interactions with the UK in the French language aren’t they?
They are not expected to deal with Iranians who rock up in Farsi are they?
It would boost employment of MFL teachers in the UK so there’s a benefit right there.0 -
I find it a little peculiar, although totally expected, that some of the most disgruntled posters on this thread don't live in the UK.9