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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Garner won't want to play with 2 wingers, as on at least one side he'll want a goal scoring forward like McKirdy. Or indeed Leaburn, as 2 wingers and a target man centre forward wouldn't deliver enough goals.Garrymanilow said:I guess the thing we learned from the Accrington game is that Kirk isn't in competition with DJ, he's in competition with CBT. Garner evidently wants his left-sided wingers cutting in on their right, and CBT currently holds the shirt with his pace. It's a shame in a way as I think I'd like to see pace on one wing and craft on the other, but that's not how we're playing it. DJ currently doesn't have any competition on his side unless Garner decides he wants to start Leaburn as more of an inside forward and less of an out and out winger. CBT will get his injuries and we will need Kirk to come in and offer something different. I'd really like to keep him, especially as there will be games where an intelligent winger will be needed to unlock defences rather than someone with explosive pace. What we need to do is complete on getting a right winger who is a goal threat, then DJ can be the backup on that side.
And I'm not sure he really wants his left winger to be right footed and cut in, as otherwise why sign a right footed left back as well? Ideally you want a left footed FB behind a right footed winger or vice versa, so you can attack both ways. After all he inherited DJ, CBT and Kirk, he didn't sign them.1 -
I know it’s just warm ups but Kirks control is outstanding, he makes football look so easy. He looked good imo when he came on for his cameo and I think we would be foolish to let him go, especially if it’s just to get a player on loan.His close ball control is excellent, his vision is excellent and he has good awareness. Just needs a bit more tenacity about him and energy
be quite peeved if he goes, would much rather see the likes of Gilbey or JFC be moved on where we have more cover22 -
In the warm up he can look good. But he didn't create the chance for the goal and he lost his man for their second goal. Football is not played in the warm up, it is played in real time, when you have to track your man last minute when you've just taken a 2-1 lead....Braziliance said:I know it’s just warm ups but Kirks control is outstanding, he makes football look so easy. He looked good imo when he came on for his cameo and I think we would be foolish to let him go, especially if it’s just to get a player on loan.His close ball control is excellent, his vision is excellent and he has good awareness. Just needs a bit more tenacity about him and energy
be quite peeved if he goes, would much rather see the likes of Gilbey or JFC be moved on where we have more cover2 -
In a perfect world I would have neither DJ nor Kirk in the starting 11.
I do wonder how much of Saturday's team was picked for balance (those unavailable or not yet signed) not necessarily the 11 Garner thinks is closest to his best team.
Often when you look back at seasons you have a memory of what the team was, despite that team probably only playing a handful of times together. I think (hope?) That that was at least 3 or 4 players short.1 -
Seeing as he is right footed, there is no reason CBT can't play on the right.
If people wnat to tell me he is more effective on the left I say oh! He beats players for pace which he can do from either flank and then when he gets in a promising position he doesn't capitalise so not sure where the more effective bit comes in.0 -
Yeah I mean you're not wrong, but he really, really doesn't fancy the physical battle, he is almost the definition of a luxury player. If there was an intra-squad five a side tournament he'd be close to first pick, but this is War you see. And before you give me all that 'didn't you like Ben Reeves'...Reeves was up for a scrap, he really relished being fouledBraziliance said:I know it’s just warm ups but Kirks control is outstanding, he makes football look so easy. He looked good imo when he came on for his cameo and I think we would be foolish to let him go, especially if it’s just to get a player on loan.His close ball control is excellent, his vision is excellent and he has good awareness. Just needs a bit more tenacity about him and energy
be quite peeved if he goes, would much rather see the likes of Gilbey or JFC be moved on where we have more cover0 -
Fixed it for youButtleJR said:
Agreed, was very shocked to see DJ starting over Kirk at the weekend but he may have been a bit lightweight for any gamesam3110 said:See I think Kirk should be starting over DJ based on what I saw pre season, and if we sign another player in that position, then again I'd probably let DJ leave over Kirk. However if Kirk is the one garnering interest, especially from championship clubs, then I think we cut our losses and sell him0 -
Away from home you can understand DJ starting but if you want to create and score goals Kirk as to start at home ( unless the Palace kid signs in time )Southbank said:
Fixed it for youButtleJR said:
Agreed, was very shocked to see DJ starting over Kirk at the weekend but he may have been a bit lightweight for any gamesam3110 said:See I think Kirk should be starting over DJ based on what I saw pre season, and if we sign another player in that position, then again I'd probably let DJ leave over Kirk. However if Kirk is the one garnering interest, especially from championship clubs, then I think we cut our losses and sell him
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Leuth said:DJ has his limitations but he's skilful, tenacious and gets involved. Twice on Saturday he won the ball high up the pitch and went on a threatening run. He won at least two yellow-card fouls. He got an assist and got in a good scoring position. He almost set up Stockley at the end of a flowing move - he got the pass wrong but he was in a position to make it. He's not perfect at all, or as quick as you might hope, but he contributes. Kirk thus far for us has been nothing but a weak, graft-shy showpony with about two signature moves, neither effective. I literally cannot believe that numerous people are saying he's preferable to DJ, let alone saying he should START for us. DJ can come out of the starting XI when we sign a wing-forward, as we're clearly trying to do. There's just no place for Kirk.Absolutely spot on, in my view0
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DJ will be out of the team very quickly and play noLeuth said:DJ has his limitations but he's skilful, tenacious and gets involved. Twice on Saturday he won the ball high up the pitch and went on a threatening run. He won at least two yellow-card fouls. He got an assist and got in a good scoring position. He almost set up Stockley at the end of a flowing move - he got the pass wrong but he was in a position to make it. He's not perfect at all, or as quick as you might hope, but he contributes. Kirk thus far for us has been nothing but a weak, graft-shy showpony with about two signature moves, neither effective. I literally cannot believe that numerous people are saying he's preferable to DJ, let alone saying he should START for us. DJ can come out of the starting XI when we sign a wing-forward, as we're clearly trying to do. There's just no place for Kirk.
meaningful part in this season at all. If I’m wrong I will donate £50 to the Upbeats. Thing is, I would love to lose this and pay the £50. Would love him to become a footballer. Unfortunately I don’t think he ever will .8 -
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I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.0
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There is an argument to see who does the business. Having options helps in that way. The cup game might be good to see other combinations.0
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Maybe I am easily pleased but I would have DJ in the team ahead of Kirk any day of the week as things stand. DJ gets way too much stick on here and I certainly don't understand the 'lazy' jibe that comes his way. He can be erratic and inconsistent but that's why he is a L1 winger. Would I like to see DJ add a few more goals and assists? Of course but if he was banging them in he wouldn't be slumming it with us in the third tier!Leuth said:DJ has his limitations but he's skilful, tenacious and gets involved. Twice on Saturday he won the ball high up the pitch and went on a threatening run. He won at least two yellow-card fouls. He got an assist and got in a good scoring position. He almost set up Stockley at the end of a flowing move - he got the pass wrong but he was in a position to make it. He's not perfect at all, or as quick as you might hope, but he contributes. Kirk thus far for us has been nothing but a weak, graft-shy showpony with about two signature moves, neither effective. I literally cannot believe that numerous people are saying he's preferable to DJ, let alone saying he should START for us. DJ can come out of the starting XI when we sign a wing-forward, as we're clearly trying to do. There's just no place for Kirk.
Kirk has done nothing yet for Charlton so can only assume people are basing the opinion on what he did at Crewe (haven't seen enough Crewe games to pass judgement). Appeciate he's a young lad who lost his father and moved down south so given some time he may yet come good. We can only hope.
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Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of optionsBostonaddick said:I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.0 -
And if CBT was injured/rested it could be an idea to play a diamond midfield again. With our many central midfielders and Stockley being better in a front 2 it could be an option if CBT was unavailableNabySarr said:
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of optionsBostonaddick said:I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.0 -
Who partners him? I would actually like to see a diamond with CBT and A&Enke up top but I get why we can't.NabySarr said:
And if CBT was injured/rested it could be an idea to play a diamond midfield again. With our many central midfielders and Stockley being better in a front 2 it could be an option if CBT was unavailableNabySarr said:
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of optionsBostonaddick said:I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.2 -
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo2 -
Yeah I’m not sure we have the partner in the squad at the moment so it would have to be the new striker we will hopefully sign or Leaburn. I like the idea of CBT up top but I think his finishing would let him down. Aneke is our best striker imo so hopefully we can get him back to 2019/20 fitness levels where he was doing 60mins one game and then 30 the next so starting him is then an optionCafc43v3r said:
Who partners him? I would actually like to see a diamond with CBT and A&Enke up top but I get why we can't.NabySarr said:
And if CBT was injured/rested it could be an idea to play a diamond midfield again. With our many central midfielders and Stockley being better in a front 2 it could be an option if CBT was unavailableNabySarr said:
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of optionsBostonaddick said:I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.0 -
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imoHe’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.53 -
A millwall fan I was chatting to yesterday said mckirdy was signing for them todayCovered_End_Lad said:
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imoHe’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.0 -
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Cawley appeared to rule it outDOUCHER said:
A millwall fan I was chatting to yesterday said mckirdy was signing for them todayCovered_End_Lad said:
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imoHe’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.1 -
Yes I know, just reporting what this fella said - he seemed pretty surecafcfan1990 said:
Cawley appeared to rule it outDOUCHER said:
A millwall fan I was chatting to yesterday said mckirdy was signing for them todayCovered_End_Lad said:
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imoHe’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.0 -
You don't think he will become a footballer? Do people even read the nonsense they post?masicat said:
DJ will be out of the team very quickly and play noLeuth said:DJ has his limitations but he's skilful, tenacious and gets involved. Twice on Saturday he won the ball high up the pitch and went on a threatening run. He won at least two yellow-card fouls. He got an assist and got in a good scoring position. He almost set up Stockley at the end of a flowing move - he got the pass wrong but he was in a position to make it. He's not perfect at all, or as quick as you might hope, but he contributes. Kirk thus far for us has been nothing but a weak, graft-shy showpony with about two signature moves, neither effective. I literally cannot believe that numerous people are saying he's preferable to DJ, let alone saying he should START for us. DJ can come out of the starting XI when we sign a wing-forward, as we're clearly trying to do. There's just no place for Kirk.
meaningful part in this season at all. If I’m wrong I will donate £50 to the Upbeats. Thing is, I would love to lose this and pay the £50. Would love him to become a footballer. Unfortunately I don’t think he ever will .7 -
Plenty of options but not a single proper proven goslscorer amongst the lot of them.NabySarr said:
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of optionsBostonaddick said:I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.
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True which is why the new signing needs to add goals. I think Rak-Sakyi will do that if we get him but he’s obviously not proven. Payne has a decent record so should score a few, especially if he’s going to be on pens. I would like to keep Kirk though as I think he’s more likely to score than DJSouthbank said:
Plenty of options but not a single proper proven goslscorer amongst the lot of them.NabySarr said:
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of optionsBostonaddick said:I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.0 -
Stockton is a bit different thoughCovered_End_Lad said:
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imoHe’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
a) He did it in L1 last season, not L2.
b) He did it in a poor side, whereas McKirdy did it in a Swindon side who scored lots of goals near the top of L2
c) We've seen Stockton at The Valley impress with his all around game
Which isn't to say there wouldn't be a risk, but his pedigree is far greater.5 -
Slipping effortlessly into Saint and Greavsie mode here...
(Those born after 1992 will have no clue).
"You know Saint? The fact that Charlton have failed to sign a player competent enough to find the old onion bag regularly, will come back to bite them again Saint. Football is a funny old game Saint a funny old game!"
"Auch too right Greavsie!"
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killerandflash said:
Stockton is a bit different thoughCovered_End_Lad said:
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.Pelling1993 said:We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imoHe’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
a) He did it in L1 last season, not L2.
b) He did it in a poor side, whereas McKirdy did it in a Swindon side who scored lots of goals near the top of L2
c) We've seen Stockton at The Valley impress with his all around game
Which isn't to say there wouldn't be a risk, but his pedigree is far greater.
Stocktons career prior to last year, he’s 28. Big risk for me considering the kind of money he would likely cost.
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And here is Mckirdys career prior to last season.
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Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.5
