Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

MuttleyCAFC said:

Of course I did call out, admittedly different issues, with Southall when a lot of you lot were still cheering him and blowing smoke up his arse. I love Charlton like the rest of you and have my opinions right or wrong.

And no-one is questioning that or your right to have those opinions. Merely saying that there are probably better, healthier options available to you right now because you don't seem to be in a very good place right now.

Speaking as someone who has never met you in person and wouldn't know if I saw you in the street, but if you were my friend or even just someone I knew I'd be recommending the same thing.

Uboat said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Of course I did call out, admittedly different issues, with Southall when a lot of you lot were still cheering him and blowing smoke up his arse. I love Charlton like the rest of you and have my opinions right or wrong.

Absolutely fair comment, as were your earlier ones. Unfortunately there are now so many posters on here who see any expression of doubt about TS as an act of treason that discussion just gets shut down. 

What discussion has been ‘shut down’ exactly? 

FishCostaFortune said:

Uboat said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Of course I did call out, admittedly different issues, with Southall when a lot of you lot were still cheering him and blowing smoke up his arse. I love Charlton like the rest of you and have my opinions right or wrong.

Absolutely fair comment, as were your earlier ones. Unfortunately there are now so many posters on here who see any expression of doubt about TS as an act of treason that discussion just gets shut down. 

What discussion has been ‘shut down’ exactly? 

None. ‘Shouted down’ would have been a better phrase. 

Uboat said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Uboat said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Of course I did call out, admittedly different issues, with Southall when a lot of you lot were still cheering him and blowing smoke up his arse. I love Charlton like the rest of you and have my opinions right or wrong.

Absolutely fair comment, as were your earlier ones. Unfortunately there are now so many posters on here who see any expression of doubt about TS as an act of treason that discussion just gets shut down. 

What discussion has been ‘shut down’ exactly? 

None. ‘Shouted down’ would have been a better phrase. 

But then if Thomas’s most loyal defenders are going to deploy the ‘careful mate, you can’t say anything positive these days’ bollocks why can’t I join in. 

Haha ok shouted down then if that what's u want to call it. It still doesnt happen. As I just said you yourself only ever say negative stuff and never comment on the positive stuff but nobody "shouts you down" do they ?

AndyG said:

Uboat said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Uboat said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Of course I did call out, admittedly different issues, with Southall when a lot of you lot were still cheering him and blowing smoke up his arse. I love Charlton like the rest of you and have my opinions right or wrong.

Absolutely fair comment, as were your earlier ones. Unfortunately there are now so many posters on here who see any expression of doubt about TS as an act of treason that discussion just gets shut down. 

What discussion has been ‘shut down’ exactly? 

None. ‘Shouted down’ would have been a better phrase. 

But then if Thomas’s most loyal defenders are going to deploy the ‘careful mate, you can’t say anything positive these days’ bollocks why can’t I join in. 

Haha ok shouted down then if that what's u want to call it. It still doesnt happen. As I just said you yourself only ever say negative stuff and never comment on the positive stuff but nobody "shouts you down" do they ?

Think you’re getting me confused with someone else. 

Cafc43v3r said:

AndyG said:

But surely with JFC being such a great player clubs will be falling over themselves to buy him ? Oh wait ! 🙄

No one that can afford will want him until he proves he is fully recovered from his injury.  Quite rightly, can you imagine if we signed a player that had started 1 league game in 14 months?

How we thought we could sell him under those conditions is beyond me.  

Oh I don't know. Clubs do occasionally buy injury prone players. Not that we've done that recently.

Not true. We all have lives outside of supporting our club but nothing wrong with being greedy and wanting the best on that side too. 

I agree Charlton doesn't matter above the important things but I think the owner is clueless and that seems to not be an acceptable view for some on here. Believe me I am probably happier than most. Retired, financially secure, happily married, son doing well at Uni. I don't need pyschiatric advice which amounts to laying off Sandgaard's many faults and the risks I think it poses for our club in the longer term.

If I could be bullied I think that is going on here but I don't give a shit about some poster's views so it isn't possible to shout me down for talking as I see it because you don't want it to be true, whilst there are of course many I respect even when we disagree. 

MuttleyCAFC said:

Not true. We all have lives outside of supporting our club but nothing wrong with being greedy and wanting the best on that side too. 

I agree Charlton doesn't matter above the important things but I think the owner is clueless and that seems to not be an acceptable view for some on here. Believe me I am probably happier than most. Retired, financially secure, happily married, son doing well at Uni. I don't need pyschiatric advice which amounts to laying off Sandgaard's many faults and the risks I think it poses for our club in the longer term.

If I could be bullied I think that is going on here but I don't give a shit about some poster's views so it isn't possible to shout me down for talking as I see it because you don't want it to be true, whilst there are of course many I respect even when we disagree. 

Like you and everyone else on here mate we all love the club and you like everyone else are deserving your opinion. But I honestly dont get the so anti TS thing. Yes he is a bit of a crackpot but in ownership terms imo he is streets ahead of what we have had for years! Surely you can see the change so far on the pitch ? We are trying to play attractive football with a gameplan, I havent seen that myself for ages. 
We all know we would like a few things done differently like a striker already through the door, a CEO in   place to name but 2 but if both those things had happened we would be arguing that it's the wrong striker and the wrong CEO 😂
I'm in the support the club camp and that includes the owner he doesnt get everything right but I do think he wants the best for the club, how long since we have had an owner we could say that about??
Recruitment last  year  dire !
Recruitment tthiis year alot better ?
He is learning and hopefully will get it right.
For me I want to watch us play decent football if that means another year in league one building then fair enough ( I actually think we have a great chance this year ) my main priority this season was not to play the shite we had for the last 2

MuttleyCAFC said:

The club shrinks mate. It isn't as easy as him just losing 8m.

No Mutts the club shrinks when it plays dire unattractive football. Play good football people will go and watch it

eastterrace6168 said:

golfaddick said:

RC_CAFC said:

Doomer Jon said:

As I thought yesterday - us not buying a forward to replace Washington cost us a victory. That is on TS. 

Why are people so wanting to hate this man, who as I can see it, is trying to run this club so that we never have to go through what we went through just before he arrived again.

He isn’t perfect but continuous blaming and hating on him must get so depressing for people. 

They’ve said they have to balance the books. We’re looking so much better already than last year.

Although I agree with you, being better than last season is a pretty low bar to compare against. 

I'm fearing that for want of a decent striker a top 6 spot could be lost. Oh well.....

Doesn't really matter how low the bar is, it is an improvement on last season, can't do any better than that,..can you, and the window still has some time to go, so regarding all this "all hope is lost stuff" save it for then and if we have not added strength to the front line, you will no doubt end up with some support for your pessimism...

Reading posts on here since 5pm yesterday I think there is a load of support for pessimism. But to me its not new, I've been saying it since June.

We let Washington go & havent seemed to look for a replacement. We then let Davison go on the basis that we have Leaburn waiting in the wings. 3 matches into the season & people are suddenly worried where the goals are going to come from. Not news to me. I even remarked on the preview thread that we are currently going into games with just 2 strikers & it would only take an injury or suspension to Stockley for Leaburn to be our one & only front man. Well be blowed - Stockley had to play on Saturday whilst " under the weather" because, surprise surprise, we really had no other choice.

I know I get a lot of stick on here & I take no pleasure out of saying this....I was right last season  & I've been proved right again this season. A striker should have been our no 1 priority, esp once we let Washington go. Now people are saying that we must get one in before deadline day (18 days away). Don't you think the price will be higher now than it would have been in June  ? Because of that TS wont be going out spending money on one. Hence we wont buy one & best we will do is a loanee on deadline day. And I bet you it wont be an experience pro with a history or scoring goals in this division. Can anyone tell me when the last time we brought in a striker on loan that scored more than a handful of goals ? 

Can someone go back and check who was slating Washington's ability as last season went on and cross reference if they're the same saying Washington going was a mistake?

golfaddick said:

eastterrace6168 said:

golfaddick said:

RC_CAFC said:

Doomer Jon said:

As I thought yesterday - us not buying a forward to replace Washington cost us a victory. That is on TS. 

Why are people so wanting to hate this man, who as I can see it, is trying to run this club so that we never have to go through what we went through just before he arrived again.

He isn’t perfect but continuous blaming and hating on him must get so depressing for people. 

They’ve said they have to balance the books. We’re looking so much better already than last year.

Although I agree with you, being better than last season is a pretty low bar to compare against. 

I'm fearing that for want of a decent striker a top 6 spot could be lost. Oh well.....

Doesn't really matter how low the bar is, it is an improvement on last season, can't do any better than that,..can you, and the window still has some time to go, so regarding all this "all hope is lost stuff" save it for then and if we have not added strength to the front line, you will no doubt end up with some support for your pessimism...

Reading posts on here since 5pm yesterday I think there is a load of support for pessimism. But to me its nit new, I've been saying it since June.

We let Washington go & havent seemed to look for a replacement. We then let Davison go on the basis that we have Leaburn waiting in the wings. 3 matches into the season & people are suddenly worried where the goals are going to come from. Not news to me. I even remarked on the preview thread that we are currently going into games with just 2 strikers & it would only take an injury or suspension to Stockley for Leaburn to be our one & only front man. Well be blowed - Stockley had to play on Saturday whilst " under the weather" because, surprise surprise, we really had no other choice.

I know I get a lot of stick on here & I take no pleasure out of saying this....I was right last season  & I've been proved right again this season. A striker should have been our no 1 priority, esp once we let Washington go. 

Yep, can't argue with that, and of course we should never have let Washington go, did you see the goal he scored yesterday, we are crying out for that kind of finisher I know, and I am sure the club are trying to right that wrong  and get someone who is a proven goalscorer in, but the top six spot ain't lost yet is it..let's see where we are at the closing of the window, one thing is obvious Stockley ain't the answer to all our prayers that's for sure...

robinofottershaw said:

RC_CAFC said:

Doomer Jon said:

As I thought yesterday - us not buying a forward to replace Washington cost us a victory. That is on TS. 

Why are people so wanting to hate this man, who as I can see it, is trying to run this club so that we never have to go through what we went through just before he arrived again.

He isn’t perfect but continuous blaming and hating on him must get so depressing for people. 

They’ve said they have to balance the books. We’re looking so much better already than last year.

I certainly don’t hate him. Am grateful to him for saving the club. But I suspect if he wants to balance the books, the team will not be successful (my definition of success being promotion) any time soon. 

Apparently he wants to reduce annual losses by £4M, £1M through cost efficiencies and £2-3M through increased revenue. Roughly speaking that equates to ~ another £100K per game, say another 4-5,000 spectators per game. Great that the style of play appears more attractive than last season but results is what will help improve gates and maybe that requires more investment on additional striking options than TS is willing to pay.

Bit more than that. It's highly unlikely that the average ticket yield is £20 net, given that a good 40-45% are concessions and the majority of those are juniors. Even if you factor in what people spend on average, it's relatively minor as a net benefit (and actual revenue from the kiosks, bars and retail goes elsewhere with the club only getting a royalty). I would think you need about 7,000 extra paying fans every game to add £2.3m in ticket revenue - roughly speaking that means doubling (or for some games trebling) the home match sales. That isn't happening any time soon.

Any transfer rumours from yesterday? Did many fans speak to the Sandgaard’s who were sitting in with the fans yesterday? 

mart77 said:

Any transfer rumours from yesterday? Did many fans speak to the Sandgaard’s who were sitting in with the fans yesterday? 

That did make me laugh when I heard he did that !!!

There itself is all the proof anyone needs that the bloke is a loon 😂

You tell me how many football clubs owners are crazy enough to sit in with the fans ? Just imagine how much grief he would get if we played like we did in the 1st half against Derby.

I would like a fiver for everytime someone asked him if we are buying a striker 😂😂😂

Bloke has some balls you have to give him that