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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Its a shame so little has been made about the Grassroots connection with Welling etc.3
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Damn himNabySarr said:
He said last year he’s still as ambitious as he was when he first took overswordfish said:
Can you remind me when was the last time he said that was?NabySarr said:
Not sure why the Trust didn’t follow up and question TS on the ridiculously expensive tickets for league 1 football when he is talking about focusing on improving match ticket sales? Cutting losses and trying to break even next season doesn’t exactly scream premier league in 5 years...NabySarr said:
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I'm pleased to hear that.NabySarr said:
He said last year he’s still as ambitious as he was when he first took overswordfish said:
Can you remind me when was the last time he said that was?NabySarr said:
Not sure why the Trust didn’t follow up and question TS on the ridiculously expensive tickets for league 1 football when he is talking about focusing on improving match ticket sales? Cutting losses and trying to break even next season doesn’t exactly scream premier league in 5 years...NabySarr said:
However, his talk of reducing losses and increasing turnover through more attractive football to entice a small % of 600,000 that CAST data revealed to be favourably disposed toward the Club, combined with increased sponsorships etc but WITHOUT necessarily getting into the Championship, does suggest he's contingency planning should that 5 year goal be unattainable.
It's open to debate how realistic that plan is, although I know some will reiterate that it isn't and that his assumptions are wrong and I'm not going to argue with them.
Edit.. and when can we expect you to re-sign 😎1 -
Doubling turnover when in league 1 feels very unrealistic. Especially when you are trying to do that by increasing match ticket sales after a steep price increase in a cost of living crisis5
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Talking numbers, I can't see an increase of any more than, say 3,000 per match if we're going well. Cup runs might help but aren't guaranteed either and that concert idea was 'mooted' but more likely to be 'booted' into touch, so it would be one helluva struggle.NabySarr said:Doubling turnover when in league 1 feels very unrealistic. Especially when you are trying to do that by increasing match ticket sales after a steep price increase in a cost of living crisis
My guess is a third or so increase at best from £10k to about £13.5k, but they're fag packet calcs at best. I expect someone on here will audit them anyway though 😎0 -
There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.19
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Spot on.CAFCTrev said:There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.3 -
Are you saying that attendances won't go up even if the side is having a good season then? I think they would and have given my estimate above of what effect I think a season when we're in contention might have on attendances, which includes returning disgruntled fans and any newbies.blackpool72 said:
Spot on.CAFCTrev said:There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.0 -
Not at 30 odd quid a ticket they won't.swordfish said:
Are you saying that attendances won't go up even if the side is having a good season then? I think they would and have given my estimate above of what effect I think a season when we're in contention might have on attendances, which includes returning disgruntled fans and any newbies.blackpool72 said:
Spot on.CAFCTrev said:There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.
The only way to seriously increase match day attendance is to get promoted.
The average away support alone at the valley would increase enormously in the championship with plenty of teams bringing 2 or 3 thousand fans every other week.
Sandgaard has a vision of what he believes is achievable in league one.
Unfortunately it's not.17 -
I'd like to see an average ticket price comparison for L1 Clubs, although being the only London one, I'd expect ours to be relatively high due to the overheads.blackpool72 said:
Not at 30 odd quid a ticket they won't.swordfish said:
Are you saying that attendances won't go up even if the side is having a good season then? I think they would and have given my estimate above of what effect I think a season when we're in contention might have on attendances, which includes returning disgruntled fans and any newbies.blackpool72 said:
Spot on.CAFCTrev said:There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.
The only way to seriously increase match day attendance is to get promoted.
The average away support alone at the valley would increase enormously in the championship with plenty of teams bringing 2 or 3 thousand fans every other week.
Sandgaard has a vision of what he believes is achievable in league one.
Unfortunately it's not.
His targets may not be prove to be achievable, but by setting them it drives the initiatives and policies that go toward trying to achieve them and I'd still expect to see a significant reduction in year on year loses, so less than £8m, but not halving that to £4m for this season, which I believe is what he's aiming for.
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Have a look at the attendances in 2018/19, especially the last 3-4 home games when it was clear we were on a promotion run (we won our final 6 home games in a row), we barely hit over 12K even then.swordfish said:
Are you saying that attendances won't go up even if the side is having a good season then? I think they would and have given my estimate above of what effect I think a season when we're in contention might have on attendances, which includes returning disgruntled fans and any newbies.blackpool72 said:
Spot on.CAFCTrev said:There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.
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Sandgaard comes from a business world where you increase sales by appointing more and more high-pressure salesmen. Take at a look at the Vacancies on his Zynex website ... almost exclusively sales people.
This explains the preponderance of phone calls to existing season tickets holders for hospitality packages, 'bring a mate' promotions etc.
His Zynex products are built on dreams. They may or may not provide clinical benefit ... but they do provide hope to pain sufferers. That is what he sells.
He fails to understand that, in the football world, while Hope is a key part, ticket sales are based on the quality of the product. Not hospitality, not Upbeats burgers, not the 'matchday experience' ... but a winning team.
Hey, Thomas. Football 101.
Get a successful team and the rest takes care of itself.10 -
Does anyone really sponsor Charlton in the hope of a return or is it more a gesture of goodwill .
I can’t think people are expecting their firms business to improve significantly enough for the return to be justified on the outlay, maybe I’m completely wrong , someone ask that NFT mob or whatever they are .7 -
Lurching from giving tickets away to people that don't want them to £30 to those that might, is non sensical. This won't lure back lapsed fans, which are the first category it would have made sense to get back on board.blackpool72 said:
Not at 30 odd quid a ticket they won't.swordfish said:
Are you saying that attendances won't go up even if the side is having a good season then? I think they would and have given my estimate above of what effect I think a season when we're in contention might have on attendances, which includes returning disgruntled fans and any newbies.blackpool72 said:
Spot on.CAFCTrev said:There are thousands of football fans who live near the Valley who simply aren't interested in League 1 football, and no ticket offer would persuade them to turn up to watch it. We need to get out of League 1 ASAP.
The only way to seriously increase match day attendance is to get promoted.
The average away support alone at the valley would increase enormously in the championship with plenty of teams bringing 2 or 3 thousand fans every other week.
Sandgaard has a vision of what he believes is achievable in league one.
Unfortunately it's not.8 -
I was told last night that we've reduced our Sports Science team from 5 staff to just 1. Not quite sure what to make of that.0
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Money savings, gotta get those £8m losses down.Sir Chrissy said:I was told last night that we've reduced our Sports Science team from 5 staff to just 1. Not quite sure what to make of that.0 -
Who told you that? Don't think it's true having talked to both Thomas and Raelynn in recent weeks.Sir Chrissy said:I was told last night that we've reduced our Sports Science team from 5 staff to just 1. Not quite sure what to make of that.0 -
An ex sports-scientist ...Crusty54 said:
Who told you that? Don't think it's true having talked to both Thomas and Raelynn in recent weeks.Sir Chrissy said:I was told last night that we've reduced our Sports Science team from 5 staff to just 1. Not quite sure what to make of that.1 -
Premier League readySir Chrissy said:I was told last night that we've reduced our Sports Science team from 5 staff to just 1. Not quite sure what to make of that.2 -
Feels like the cost cutting duchatelet did whilst he was trying to get rid of the club!
sandgaard gone within the year?3 - Sponsored links:
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His LinkedIn profile states he is the owner of 'Charlton AFC London'... wtf even is that.
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Personally, I am not fussed about the cost-cutting (apart from people losing jobs), clearly the club can't continue to run the way it is.. Fans also need to an element of responbility.. If we are not going to go to games, the budget is only going to get smaller.. I understand club needs to excite us to go to matches.. But I believe this could be one of our better seasons, our identity and style of play has changed hugely, to a positive exciting way of playing!
I know I am supporting from afar, but I still can't get over how poor our crowd was for the QPR match.. If I was sitting in TS shoes, I would be like, F*&K them, if they can't support the club, why should I keep putting my hand in my pocket!
Time to stop with negitivity, and get back to supporting the team again.. It is going to be a good season!5 -
To follow RD you need to get needlessly relegated first before winning the play offs in a lower divisionDubaiCAFC said:
Hopefully we get promoted then, like we did under RDsammy391 said:Feels like the cost cutting duchatelet did whilst he was trying to get rid of the club!
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He wasn't cost cutting the year we got relegated, in fact the opposite.JohnnyH2 said:
To follow RD you need to get needlessly relegated first before winning the play offs in a lower divisionDubaiCAFC said:
Hopefully we get promoted then, like we did under RDsammy391 said:Feels like the cost cutting duchatelet did whilst he was trying to get rid of the club!
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Yes, exactly what I'm thinking.sammy391 said:Feels like the cost cutting duchatelet did whilst he was trying to get rid of the club!
sandgaard gone within the year?
Who wants to buy an asset less club losing £8M pa?
If he can halve the losses he stands a better chance.1 -
Take it you donate a season ticket sum to the club from afar then?DubaiCAFC said:Personally, I am not fussed about the cost-cutting (apart from people losing jobs), clearly the club can't continue to run the way it is.. Fans also need to an element of responbility.. If we are not going to go to games, the budget is only going to get smaller.. I understand club needs to excite us to go to matches.. But I believe this could be one of our better seasons, our identity and style of play has changed hugely, to a positive exciting way of playing!
I know I am supporting from afar, but I still can't get over how poor our crowd was for the QPR match.. If I was sitting in TS shoes, I would be like, F*&K them, if they can't support the club, why should I keep putting my hand in my pocket!
Time to stop with negitivity, and get back to supporting the team again.. It is going to be a good season!
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Was bloody cost cutting on the Manager(s) and scouting/recruitment teamDubaiCAFC said:
He wasn't cost cutting the year we got relegated, in fact the opposite.JohnnyH2 said:
To follow RD you need to get needlessly relegated first before winning the play offs in a lower divisionDubaiCAFC said:
Hopefully we get promoted then, like we did under RDsammy391 said:Feels like the cost cutting duchatelet did whilst he was trying to get rid of the club!
sandgaard gone within the year?0 -
Certainly do, along with overseas membership and Charlton TV... I will be staying up to 2am to watch tonights game as well....RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Take it you donate a season ticket sum to the club from afar then?DubaiCAFC said:Personally, I am not fussed about the cost-cutting (apart from people losing jobs), clearly the club can't continue to run the way it is.. Fans also need to an element of responbility.. If we are not going to go to games, the budget is only going to get smaller.. I understand club needs to excite us to go to matches.. But I believe this could be one of our better seasons, our identity and style of play has changed hugely, to a positive exciting way of playing!
I know I am supporting from afar, but I still can't get over how poor our crowd was for the QPR match.. If I was sitting in TS shoes, I would be like, F*&K them, if they can't support the club, why should I keep putting my hand in my pocket!
Time to stop with negitivity, and get back to supporting the team again.. It is going to be a good season!11 -
Genuinely fair play to you 👏DubaiCAFC said:
Certainly do, along with overseas membership and Charlton TV... I will be staying up to 2am to watch tonights game as well....RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Take it you donate a season ticket sum to the club from afar then?DubaiCAFC said:Personally, I am not fussed about the cost-cutting (apart from people losing jobs), clearly the club can't continue to run the way it is.. Fans also need to an element of responbility.. If we are not going to go to games, the budget is only going to get smaller.. I understand club needs to excite us to go to matches.. But I believe this could be one of our better seasons, our identity and style of play has changed hugely, to a positive exciting way of playing!
I know I am supporting from afar, but I still can't get over how poor our crowd was for the QPR match.. If I was sitting in TS shoes, I would be like, F*&K them, if they can't support the club, why should I keep putting my hand in my pocket!
Time to stop with negitivity, and get back to supporting the team again.. It is going to be a good season!
(Apologies for my initial sarky comment...in a shitty mood today. :-) )6
His LinkedIn profile states he is the owner of 'Charlton AFC London'... wtf even is that.
