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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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I don't think Garner thinks he's a serious option to play the Number 9 role yet, the appearance at Wednesday was down to having no alternative. His successful appearances have been as the right hand wide attacker.Jac_52 said:golfaddick said:
You could always play Stockley at CH in an emergency.....you cant really play Lavelle up front in the same situation.Athletico Charlton said:I agree a CB had to be number one priority. Every game that Innis does not get injured in is a surprise to me. That would leave two in Lavelle and O'Connell.
Upfront we also need a striker before the window closes but not quite as urgently.
Ultimately I would imagine we are targeting both and it will be down to which of our targets comes up first.
Mark my words. If we only bring in a CH before the window closes then you can bet your bottom dollar Stockley will get injured the following week.
I wouldn't bet against it. And nor would I bet against us signing a striker and Stockley then being fit for all 46 games.
The worry is of course that we pretty much have 2 players per position now except for CB given Clayden has pretty much proved he can cover the LB spot and Garner rates Miles enough to consider him striker number 2..0 -
Callumcafc said:
No thanks. Stockley has scored infinitely more goals and has infinitely more assists than him this season already.5 -
So was ‘ill’ for the last two games and if Peter is correct, and there’s no reason to doubt him, has now handed in a transfer request.Callumcafc said:
Sounds like Fleetwood’s £100,000 bid is still the only one been made as well, which has not met Morcambe’s valuation.
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Lots of chat about, CB or Striker coming in 1st or 2nd, all I know is @Covered_End_Lad has stated earlier that BOTH will be in before the window closes, 'nuff for me, 1st or 2nd is irrelevant...
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Stockleys stats are made at a higher level too.Jac_52 said:Callumcafc said:
No thanks. Stockley has scored infinitely more goals and has infinitely more assists than him this season already.
Stockton 90 or so goals in 300 odd appearances. League two or below mostly.He’s had one decent season.2 -
Might be a better link player though - he certainly played well at the valley last season . Pie in the sky anyway as I’m not expecting Sandgaard to spend money on a transfer; no criticism intended .CafcSCP said:
Stockleys stats are made at a higher level too.Jac_52 said:Callumcafc said:
No thanks. Stockley has scored infinitely more goals and has infinitely more assists than him this season already.
Stockton 90 or so goals in 300 odd appearances. League two or below mostly.He’s had one decent season.1 -
Jephcott has not done much since that one decent season. I think a lot of teams will be relieved they didn't pull the trigger based on that purple patch.8
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22, and hit double figures two years in a row all ready in League One. Id rather risk spending money on him then Stockton.Chunes said:Jephcott has not done much since that one decent season. I think a lot of teams will be relieved they didn't pull the trigger based on that purple patch.4 -
What, like something along the lines of 'reorganize the words shit and horse to get your answer' 😎SoundAsa£ said:Just as a matter of interest, has Lyle Taylor made any kind of comment regarding the story of us being interested in having him back here?
He’s usually quite prepared to ‘stir the pot’ a little on social media in some way or another….be it a bit of sarcasm or dangling a line or two.0 - Sponsored links:
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Stockley's goals were mainly in L2 or lower. 46 goals for Exeter for example in L2.CafcSCP said:
Stockleys stats are made at a higher level too.Jac_52 said:Callumcafc said:
No thanks. Stockley has scored infinitely more goals and has infinitely more assists than him this season already.
Stockton 90 or so goals in 300 odd appearances. League two or below mostly.He’s had one decent season.
Stockley has 22 goals for us in L1, in a season and a half, Stockton scored 23 last season in L1.3 -
A shame to let Gilbey go.
Haven’t really had a chance to see how Lavelle and O’Connel play together.But Innis scares me playing out from the back. He has all the confidence of a ball playing centre back and none of the ability0 -
IF and it is a big IF the choice was a center back or a center foward. It's got to be a center foward.
If you played Tuesday's games twice again with everything else being equal and left out Stockley in one and left out O'Connell in the other, let's say for Leaburn and Ness respectively. One of them would of had zero effect on the result. One of them might well have.
We ended 2020/21 with Stockley, Aneke, Davison, Washington and Shwartz.
We haven't signed a (different) striker since. In that time we have signed 6 (six) center mids.
Now we have to off load a center mid, potentially one that we resigned 2 months ago, to get one in?
I really can't get my head round it.4 -
A £100k up front fee feels about right for someone who'd compete/back-up Stockley, who's in his late 20s and is not completely guaranteed to be a success. If that's the only offer they have and they aren't happy with it, I'm sure we could find creative ways to beat it without bumping the up front fee.FishCostaFortune said:
So was ‘ill’ for the last two games and if Peter is correct, and there’s no reason to doubt him, has now handed in a transfer request.Callumcafc said:
Sounds like Fleetwood’s £100,000 bid is still the only one been made as well, which has not met Morcambe’s valuation.
Wonder if they'd go for a bid of £100k plus another £100k contingent upon promotion?0 -
Right, exactly this. A left sided, (ideally) left footed defender. Provides cover at CB and LB. If Garner wants to play a back three, Clare or the new defender can slot in at CB. We have lots of players who have played wingback. But Clayed should not the second choice LB, or fourth choice fullback (depending on how you look at it) at this point.CAFCsayer said:
Would've totally disagreed before Clare turned into prime Cafu. A left-sided cb who can cover lb and a striker should be prioritykillerandflash said:
Clayden seems to have solved the the LB problem. Clayden and Sessegnon on the left, Clare and Egbo on the right seems good enough for the time being.DubaiCAFC said:
I don’t get this, I think we are pretty well covered there, and have options such a Clare slotting in as well, and calling DE back off loan! Get we might want a left footed CB but that is a luxuryCallumcafc said:
Forward has to be surely.. or a Full Back
And then yeah, a forward as well. But as I've outlined elsewhere, it's going to be very difficult to get another quality forward with Aneke and Stockley on the books. So honestly, I'm not expecting too much.
It would be great if we could move on Gilbey and keep JFC. I think JFC is the much better player. I don't think Gilbey is quite as bad as he's looked in a Charlton shirt. But he doesn't do anything in our system that others can't do in terms of running and pressing. And he just hasn't scored the goals to make him stand out on that front. His touch and passing aren't great. Best of luck to him, seems like a decent guy, it was a signing that made sense at the time, but it just didn't work out.2 -
I don't think Lavelle is any better with the ball to be fairesseffect said:A shame to let Gilbey go.
Haven’t really had a chance to see how Lavelle and O’Connel play together.But Innis scares me playing out from the back. He has all the confidence of a ball playing centre back and none of the ability2 -
I tend to agree re: midfielders. The main reason I'd be ok with both moving on is that it bumps Aaron Henry further up the pecking order.SDAddick said:
Right, exactly this. A left sided, (ideally) left footed defender. Provides cover at CB and LB. If Garner wants to play a back three, Clare or the new defender can slot in at CB. We have lots of players who have played wingback. But Clayed should not the second choice LB, or fourth choice fullback (depending on how you look at it) at this point.CAFCsayer said:
Would've totally disagreed before Clare turned into prime Cafu. A left-sided cb who can cover lb and a striker should be prioritykillerandflash said:
Clayden seems to have solved the the LB problem. Clayden and Sessegnon on the left, Clare and Egbo on the right seems good enough for the time being.DubaiCAFC said:
I don’t get this, I think we are pretty well covered there, and have options such a Clare slotting in as well, and calling DE back off loan! Get we might want a left footed CB but that is a luxuryCallumcafc said:
Forward has to be surely.. or a Full Back
And then yeah, a forward as well. But as I've outlined elsewhere, it's going to be very difficult to get another quality forward with Aneke and Stockley on the books. So honestly, I'm not expecting too much.
It would be great if we could move on Gilbey and keep JFC. I think JFC is the much better player. I don't think Gilbey is quite as bad as he's looked in a Charlton shirt. But he doesn't do anything in our system that others can't do in terms of running and pressing. And he just hasn't scored the goals to make him stand out on that front. His touch and passing aren't great. Best of luck to him, seems like a decent guy, it was a signing that made sense at the time, but it just didn't work out.1 -
Why would he come though?Callumcafc said:
A £100k up front fee feels about right for someone who'd compete/back-up Stockley, who's in his late 20s and is not completely guaranteed to be a success. If that's the only offer they have and they aren't happy with it, I'm sure we could find creative ways to beat it without bumping the up front fee.FishCostaFortune said:
So was ‘ill’ for the last two games and if Peter is correct, and there’s no reason to doubt him, has now handed in a transfer request.Callumcafc said:
Sounds like Fleetwood’s £100,000 bid is still the only one been made as well, which has not met Morcambe’s valuation.
Wonder if they'd go for a bid of £100k plus another £100k contingent upon promotion?
He isn't ever going to earn "life changing money" (c) L.Taylor. I have no idea what his personal circumstances are but moving to London for 18 months/2 years isn't as easy as it sounds.
Going the other way is a not so hard.
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killerandflash said:
I don't think Lavelle is any better with the ball to be fairesseffect said:A shame to let Gilbey go.
Haven’t really had a chance to see how Lavelle and O’Connel play together.But Innis scares me playing out from the back. He has all the confidence of a ball playing centre back and none of the ability
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Can you imagine this time last year people "moaning" about Inniss and Stockley and wanting JFC and Gilbey "jogged on". Yet kicking off that Dobson was "dropped", that Clare is one of the best players in his position in the league and "number 10" was a serious POTY candidate?Jac_52 said:killerandflash said:
I don't think Lavelle is any better with the ball to be fairesseffect said:A shame to let Gilbey go.
Haven’t really had a chance to see how Lavelle and O’Connel play together.But Innis scares me playing out from the back. He has all the confidence of a ball playing centre back and none of the ability
I don't see it either. Much prefer Inniss
I'll have some of that.2 - Sponsored links:
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But it leaves Henry in that can't play for the u21s in case, then doesn't play zone. Always the 6th man, never the 5th.Callumcafc said:
I tend to agree re: midfielders. The main reason I'd be ok with both moving on is that it bumps Aaron Henry further up the pecking order.SDAddick said:
Right, exactly this. A left sided, (ideally) left footed defender. Provides cover at CB and LB. If Garner wants to play a back three, Clare or the new defender can slot in at CB. We have lots of players who have played wingback. But Clayed should not the second choice LB, or fourth choice fullback (depending on how you look at it) at this point.CAFCsayer said:
Would've totally disagreed before Clare turned into prime Cafu. A left-sided cb who can cover lb and a striker should be prioritykillerandflash said:
Clayden seems to have solved the the LB problem. Clayden and Sessegnon on the left, Clare and Egbo on the right seems good enough for the time being.DubaiCAFC said:
I don’t get this, I think we are pretty well covered there, and have options such a Clare slotting in as well, and calling DE back off loan! Get we might want a left footed CB but that is a luxuryCallumcafc said:
Forward has to be surely.. or a Full Back
And then yeah, a forward as well. But as I've outlined elsewhere, it's going to be very difficult to get another quality forward with Aneke and Stockley on the books. So honestly, I'm not expecting too much.
It would be great if we could move on Gilbey and keep JFC. I think JFC is the much better player. I don't think Gilbey is quite as bad as he's looked in a Charlton shirt. But he doesn't do anything in our system that others can't do in terms of running and pressing. And he just hasn't scored the goals to make him stand out on that front. His touch and passing aren't great. Best of luck to him, seems like a decent guy, it was a signing that made sense at the time, but it just didn't work out.
I would be happy if he wasn't 6/6 when the window shuts. If he is 4th or 5th out of seven come November it's a totally different kettle of fish.1 -
I’d rather loan Henry out. I think we stunted Morgan’s growth for a couple of years with him being 5th/6th choice in and out of the squad all the time. Henry had a great loan at Wealdstone last year so I’d see if he can get a league 2 move, if not send him back to Wealdstone and hope he impresses enough for a league 2 loan in January7
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Nothing but pure speculation on my part but it’s weird that there has been no serious links with Stockton from any of the league’s front runners. One season wonder or not, he was good enough last season that teams must be looking at him. I read it that they’re being put off by the price Morecambe are asking but I’d be duty if there have not been lots of enquiries for him.
Depending how you read Garner’s comments, he alluded that someone needs to shift on their demands for us to sign a striker.We’re at the time in the window where selling clubs start to soften and buying clubs get a bit more urgent. The middle ground will get found on lots of potential negotiations that might have come to a stand still a week or more ago.It might be 2+2=5 but I wouldn’t be shocked if Stockton to us (and a few other teams with promotion ambitions) would fall into that category.0 -
I mean if we signed JFC because we had a contractual option and we felt like we could get a fee for him, like we clearly did with Davison, then I'd say that's relatively shrewd on the business front.Cafc43v3r said:IF and it is a big IF the choice was a center back or a center foward. It's got to be a center foward.
If you played Tuesday's games twice again with everything else being equal and left out Stockley in one and left out O'Connell in the other, let's say for Leaburn and Ness respectively. One of them would of had zero effect on the result. One of them might well have.
We ended 2020/21 with Stockley, Aneke, Davison, Washington and Shwartz.
We haven't signed a (different) striker since. In that time we have signed 6 (six) center mids.
Now we have to off load a center mid, potentially one that we resigned 2 months ago, to get one in?
I really can't get my head round it.
That being said, why we were reportedly looking to sell JFC before Gilbey is absolutely beyond me.
I do not think selling JFC is a good idea. For me, he has the ability to be the second or third best central midfielder we have (behind Dobbo). Watching Albie at the start of this season has been great, but he still needs to do it for entire matches on a consistent basis. It's early days for McGrandles so can't really judge him just yet. Payne clearly has some quality and is a different type of player to JFC. And then I've never been fully convinced by Fraser in a Charlton shirt. I do think he has more in his locker than what we've seen, but he and JFC are about the same age and I haven't seen him do much that JFC can't do.
And then there's the forward thing. We have consistently recruited the wrong forwards for the system we're looking to play. We signed Stockley to play up front on his own under Adkins. We signed Schwartz and then switched to playing one up front. We signed Aneke when we were playing with two up front and when we had two forwards in front of him (Stockley and Washington), but then we lost two forwards (Burstow and Washington) and he's now second choice and shock surprise, is never fit.
This squad is good. A lot of surgery was done in the summer to remove deadwood and players who didn't fit. But we are still seeing the results of a few transfer windows' worth of a lack of joined up thinking when it comes to signings. And that has to fall on our CEO/President/Whatever.3 -
Already commented on that Golfie.golfaddick said:
Does Cawley mean "A few" clubs interested as in 3 or 4, or does he mean "few" clubs interested which means not many, ie almost none.charlton_hero said:
The English language is a wonderful thing. Please type what you mean to say otherwise you could be sending out a very different message.
Clearly means ‘a few’ though.0 -
I agree, he's probably a better prospect and certainly has more resale value. But he scored 10 in 40 last season which I don't think is a good return in this league.FishCostaFortune said:
22, and hit double figures two years in a row all ready in League One. Id rather risk spending money on him then Stockton.Chunes said:Jephcott has not done much since that one decent season. I think a lot of teams will be relieved they didn't pull the trigger based on that purple patch.
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Then as a journalist he needs to learn how to type properly.JamesSeed said:
Already commented on that Golfie.golfaddick said:
Does Cawley mean "A few" clubs interested as in 3 or 4, or does he mean "few" clubs interested which means not many, ie almost none.charlton_hero said:
The English language is a wonderful thing. Please type what you mean to say otherwise you could be sending out a very different message.
Clearly means ‘a few’ though.0 -
I must be in a minority when it comes to JFC.
Will be more than happy to see him moved on, for me he falls into the same bracket as Aneke.Pointless having a player who’s good for 5 or 6 games a season and then sits out the rest injured. Need to stop this sentimental stuff of keep giving him a new contract when his wages can be used elsewhere, I.E a striker.12 -
Exactly this. It's why I didn't count him in my post above. I think he needs to go out on loan. If we can get him a L2 move, great. Maybe, dare I say it, a move to a lower league side on the continent where he won't be bullied as much might be nice as well. I know we haven't really done that, but never too late to try. He's good enough that he needs to be playing regularly but not quite good enough that he's ready to break into the first team regularly.NabySarr said:I’d rather loan Henry out. I think we stunted Morgan’s growth for a couple of years with him being 5th/6th choice in and out of the squad all the time. Henry had a great loan at Wealdstone last year so I’d see if he can get a league 2 move, if not send him back to Wealdstone and hope he impresses enough for a league 2 loan in January
Worst case scenario is we keep him around for the cups and then loan him to the National League once the cups are done, and/or can recall him if we get hit by injuries. I wouldn't mind the same for Clayden as well if we get LB cover in. But keeping Henry here all season really risks stunting his growth.1 -
I still don’t want Stockton 😂killerandflash said:
Stockley's goals were mainly in L2 or lower. 46 goals for Exeter for example in L2.CafcSCP said:
Stockleys stats are made at a higher level too.Jac_52 said:Callumcafc said:
No thanks. Stockley has scored infinitely more goals and has infinitely more assists than him this season already.
Stockton 90 or so goals in 300 odd appearances. League two or below mostly.He’s had one decent season.
Stockley has 22 goals for us in L1, in a season and a half, Stockton scored 23 last season in L1.0
