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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Well, thank you for sharing our plan for the world to see 😂😂Oggy Red said:
Watching all our League game highlights, you'll see that Fraser seems to be the main man designated to centrally support Stockley.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
Almost all the signings we have made haven't fitted that, not sure why people think it's a criteria tbh.Henry Irving said:Lewis Grabben is an interesting one.
Croydon born, now 34 but was a regular for Forest last season.
Doesn't fit the young player with sell on potential model but if you want some experience he could be the man.
No idea if he can play Garnerball but he can score goals.
Lewis Grabban can probably play about 60 minutes max these days as he admitted last season when he said he has no problem coming off the bench.
Jayden Stockley is fitting into the Central striker's role well it's just he's not scoring but his headers have led to goals as the keepers have parried them to CBT and Sakyi I still believe Jayden is better with a player close by and Ben Garner may have to compromise as we have some big players and not to utilise Stockley, Leaburn and Inniss with quality high balls into the box would seem strange.
Inniss from set pieces; not playing as a striker !
We see our far side winger is required to get in the box at the far post from wide; and Morgan around the 'D'.
Fraser is the midfielder who moves off the ball to support Stockley in the box centrally.
Whether Stockley is scoring goals or not, he occupies and challenges the oppo CBs and keeper, while our support players ghost in more or less unmarked.
Anyway, that seems to be the plan. We've already scored several goals this way.1 -
Corey's goal came from Morgan.soapboxsam said:cafcfan1990 said:
Or Garner has no choice because he's not being given the opportunity to sign anyone else.soapboxsam said:It's doesn't matter that I disagree with you Pudds; Ben Garner does as well ! IF we get someone better who can play the central role then they will get the gig.
Yes obviously, what League 1 manager wouldn't want better players in the striker role ? That is a Shay Given.
Managers at any level alway want the top strikers available.
Aneke injuries yet again are highlighting the problem of a Quintessential centre Forward like Jayden who will score in a cluster but will have barren spells with guys around who will only chip in with a few goals and there will be games where we look bereft in front of goals. Though no one noticed both goals from Rak and Corey came from efforts from Stockley that the keepers couldn't hold on to. The save in the Plymouth game was top notch from a powerful header by JS.
Rak's goal header was straight at the keeper, should be scoring.
Fraser's goal, poor control, worse "shot", would have been better if he tried to pass to Fraser.0 -
sam3110 said:DJ is an interesting one, probably 3rd even 4th choice in wide positions right now, obviously scored last night and is one of those players, like Gilbey, that probably hasn't fulfilled his potential with us, but at the same time can probably garner quite a bit of interest from other teams around us
If DJ can Garner interest from Ben then he will stay. Every player is open for offers especially one with a couple of years left on his Contract which will bring in money.0 -
Hearing they were interested in bringing him in for their Carabao Cup runs until they realised he’s cup tied!shirty5 said:DJ wanted by Mk Dons and Lincoln according to Alan Nixon1 -
The players we’re actively looking to move on like Gilbey and JFC won’t command any fee. The ones we have that we’d consider moving on who might command a fee are DJ and Kirk. League One clubs who might be interested won’t be looking to pay fees at all, like us, and Championship clubs won’t be interested at all. Yes Kirk to Blackpool is a slight possibility but they don’t seem in much of a hurry to secure him. Unless we get a biggish offer for someone like Clare or Dobson I can’t see how we’re getting in extra funds and either of those two going would be a blow.2
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As I said above, losing one of Clare, Dobson or CBT would be worth it if we can then bring in a mobile striker like Lyle Taylor (but not him). We have cover for those three, but we lack a mobile striker.ShootersHillGuru said:The players we’re actively looking to move on like Gilbey and JFC won’t command any fee. The ones we have that we’d consider moving on who might command a fee are DJ and Kirk. League One clubs who might be interested won’t be looking to pay fees at all, like us, and Championship clubs won’t be interested at all. Yes Kirk to Blackpool is a slight possibility but they don’t seem in much of a hurry to secure him. Unless we get a biggish offer for someone like Clare or Dobson I can’t see how we’re getting in extra funds and either of those two going would be a blow.1 -
Do we have cover for Clare or Dobson? - Adequate cover I meanSouthbank said:
As I said above, losing one of Clare, Dobson or CBT would be worth it if we can then bring in a mobile striker like Lyle Taylor (but not him). We have cover for those three, but we lack a mobile striker.ShootersHillGuru said:The players we’re actively looking to move on like Gilbey and JFC won’t command any fee. The ones we have that we’d consider moving on who might command a fee are DJ and Kirk. League One clubs who might be interested won’t be looking to pay fees at all, like us, and Championship clubs won’t be interested at all. Yes Kirk to Blackpool is a slight possibility but they don’t seem in much of a hurry to secure him. Unless we get a biggish offer for someone like Clare or Dobson I can’t see how we’re getting in extra funds and either of those two going would be a blow.
As against Derby, we had McGrandles | Morgan instead of George Dobson and looked shite, Aaron Henry isnt quite there yet either - Sean Clare, again we dont really know if we have cover... Egbo may not be up to it, and Chin isnt ready to be playing every week2 -
So it's not proof that Garner disagrees then is it? It's merely proof that Stockley is the best man for the job out of the available options, which are almost non-existent.soapboxsam said:cafcfan1990 said:
Or Garner has no choice because he's not being given the opportunity to sign anyone else.soapboxsam said:It's doesn't matter that I disagree with you Pudds; Ben Garner does as well ! IF we get someone better who can play the central role then they will get the gig.
Yes obviously, what League 1 manager wouldn't want better players in the striker role ? That is a Shay Given.
Managers at any level alway want the top strikers available.
Aneke injuries yet again are highlighting the problem of a Quintessential centre Forward like Jayden who will score in a cluster but will have barren spells with guys around who will only chip in with a few goals and there will be games where we look bereft in front of goals. Though no one noticed both goals from Rak and Corey came from efforts from Stockley that the keepers couldn't hold on to. The save in the Plymouth game was top notch from a powerful header by JS.
I agree though that Stockley's presence should help others and already has. Although the save from the Plymouth keeper for the JRS goal was pretty routine.0 -
If we sold one of them for a decent fee we could probably get a loan in to directly replace them. Not perfect but...ForeverAddickted said:
Do we have cover for Clare or Dobson? - Adequate cover I meanSouthbank said:
As I said above, losing one of Clare, Dobson or CBT would be worth it if we can then bring in a mobile striker like Lyle Taylor (but not him). We have cover for those three, but we lack a mobile striker.ShootersHillGuru said:The players we’re actively looking to move on like Gilbey and JFC won’t command any fee. The ones we have that we’d consider moving on who might command a fee are DJ and Kirk. League One clubs who might be interested won’t be looking to pay fees at all, like us, and Championship clubs won’t be interested at all. Yes Kirk to Blackpool is a slight possibility but they don’t seem in much of a hurry to secure him. Unless we get a biggish offer for someone like Clare or Dobson I can’t see how we’re getting in extra funds and either of those two going would be a blow.
As against Derby, we had McGrandles | Morgan instead of George Dobson and looked shite, Aaron Henry isnt quite there yet either - Sean Clare, again we dont really know if we have cover... Egbo may not be up to it, and Chin isnt ready to be playing every week1 -
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We'd definitely need another FB in if Clare left, although I'd go for a LB as we'd still be better equipped at RB. We'd also need to replace Dobson. Have to admit I'd accept 1mil for anybody if it means we could sign 2/3 in their place.ForeverAddickted said:
Do we have cover for Clare or Dobson? - Adequate cover I meanSouthbank said:
As I said above, losing one of Clare, Dobson or CBT would be worth it if we can then bring in a mobile striker like Lyle Taylor (but not him). We have cover for those three, but we lack a mobile striker.ShootersHillGuru said:The players we’re actively looking to move on like Gilbey and JFC won’t command any fee. The ones we have that we’d consider moving on who might command a fee are DJ and Kirk. League One clubs who might be interested won’t be looking to pay fees at all, like us, and Championship clubs won’t be interested at all. Yes Kirk to Blackpool is a slight possibility but they don’t seem in much of a hurry to secure him. Unless we get a biggish offer for someone like Clare or Dobson I can’t see how we’re getting in extra funds and either of those two going would be a blow.
As against Derby, we had McGrandles | Morgan instead of George Dobson and looked shite, Aaron Henry isnt quite there yet either - Sean Clare, again we dont really know if we have cover... Egbo may not be up to it, and Chin isnt ready to be playing every week
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If it was DJ out and Anthony Scully coming in from Lincoln then I can understand the thinking. Otherwise it seems an odd one.0
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Oh I agree, if we can move on Clare / Dobson and get a replacement for those two as well as a Striker then great
But I wouldnt move on those two for a Striker, without replacing them too1 -
Agreed, that wouldn't necessarily make us better, not when both are first team starters.ForeverAddickted said:Oh I agree, if we can move on Clare / Dobson and get a replacement for those two as well as a Striker then great
But I wouldnt move on those two for a Striker, without replacing them too2 -
I personally wouldn’t be fussed if Jay left, much in the ilk of Gilbey, player there somewhere but not really set the world on fire.
thought yesterday he was also poor apart from a few moments.0 -
The last few posts illustrate perfectly the dilemma facing the club. It’s not at all easy getting business done on a tight budget and with financial restrictions. Our rebuild is in my opinion a two or even three window process.10
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The problem is if its a 3 or more window process you start losing players out the other end again. If we are in the same position this time next year your looking at players like Dobson, CBT, Payne and god knows who else entering their last year.ShootersHillGuru said:The last few posts illustrate perfectly the dilemma facing the club. It’s not at all easy getting business done on a tight budget and with financial restrictions. Our rebuild is in my opinion a two or even three window process.
Bowyer and Gallen basically put a team together in two windows but if we had lost at Wembley a 3rd or 4th wouldn't have made it right.
The easiest time is always this time.
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You're right in that Stockley has to score goals.soapboxsam said:Oggy Red said:
Watching all our League game highlights, you'll see that Fraser seems to be the main man designated to centrally support Stockley.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
Almost all the signings we have made haven't fitted that, not sure why people think it's a criteria tbh.Henry Irving said:Lewis Grabben is an interesting one.
Croydon born, now 34 but was a regular for Forest last season.
Doesn't fit the young player with sell on potential model but if you want some experience he could be the man.
No idea if he can play Garnerball but he can score goals.
Lewis Grabban can probably play about 60 minutes max these days as he admitted last season when he said he has no problem coming off the bench.
Jayden Stockley is fitting into the Central striker's role well it's just he's not scoring but his headers have led to goals as the keepers have parried them to CBT and Sakyi I still believe Jayden is better with a player close by and Ben Garner may have to compromise as we have some big players and not to utilise Stockley, Leaburn and Inniss with quality high balls into the box would seem strange.
Inniss from set pieces; not playing as a striker !
We see our far side winger is required to get in the box at the far post from wide; and Morgan around the 'D'.
Fraser is the midfielder who moves off the ball to support Stockley in the box centrally.
Whether Stockley is scoring goals or not, he occupies and challenges the oppo CBs and keeper, while our support players ghost in more or less unmarked.
Anyway, that seems to be the plan. We've already scored several goals this way.
That is definitely the plan for playing 4-3-3 with the attacking midfielder supporting as well as the forward from the other flank getting into the box to get nearer to Stockley so he isn't isolated. Goals from Corey Blackett-Taylor and Rak Sakyi from efforts on goal from Jayden have shown how Garner is trying to get this through to the players. The Plymouth game is the only match it has worked for 90+ minutes and that was against 10 men so more space available.
Lots of pressure on Stockley, as he is leading the line well and is fitting in to the system but he has to score goals as well and not quite going in at the moment.
The amount of games, minutes we get out of Aneke will make or break our season even if they are 30 minute cameos including added time as I can't see a striker on the wage available coming into the club in this window.
Maybe in Jan, Thomas may be able to take a gamble with a six month loan if we are top 8 to push us on with a goal scoring forward that will blend in with the Managers idea of play ?
We live in hope.
But ....... the goals have been coming all around from others - with Stockley's involvement frequently being a key factor.
Not just with the goals actually scored, but also with chances not taken.
It may have only been 1-0 at the time Plymouth were reduced to 10 men (41st minute) but Stockley had already been vitally involved in the chances created up to then. It was his header that the keeper saved point blank for JRS to score the first that night; his aerial challenge that made the chance for Kirk that hit the outside post and of course his winning the ball and a great cross for Kirk's shot handled on the line for the penalty. Stockley himself scored the penalty efficiently.
Other games too: the open goal CBT winner against Derby, created because of Stockley's challenge on the cross.
Stockley himself should have scored against Cambridge - but nevertheless the save from his shot set up the clear chance for Fraser to score.
Some people are saying Stockley isn't doing enough because he's not yet scoring from open play - but while he lacks a bit of pace, he is making every effort to adapt his game to Garnerball, linking up play well, getting in the right places inside the box and well involved with chance creation, from which we are scoring goals.
Can we get a quicker forward than Stockley, more suited to Garnerball? Almost certainly if we are prepared to spend a big wedge.
Meanwhile, Stockley despite some limitations, is nevertheless well involved in chance creation and goals scored.
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Clare has been great so far this season, but we have Egbo to come in and he came with a big reputation. Sessengon can also cover there, also sounds like Chin is not far off being ready. If we are offered decent money for Clare I would probably take it on the basis that the money will be reinvested to strengthen other areas.
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I'm the new Karl Robinson, donchya know? :winky:SantaClaus said:Oggy Red said:
Watching all our League game highlights, you'll see that Fraser seems to be the main man designated to centrally support Stockley.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
Almost all the signings we have made haven't fitted that, not sure why people think it's a criteria tbh.Henry Irving said:Lewis Grabben is an interesting one.
Croydon born, now 34 but was a regular for Forest last season.
Doesn't fit the young player with sell on potential model but if you want some experience he could be the man.
No idea if he can play Garnerball but he can score goals.
Lewis Grabban can probably play about 60 minutes max these days as he admitted last season when he said he has no problem coming off the bench.
Jayden Stockley is fitting into the Central striker's role well it's just he's not scoring but his headers have led to goals as the keepers have parried them to CBT and Sakyi I still believe Jayden is better with a player close by and Ben Garner may have to compromise as we have some big players and not to utilise Stockley, Leaburn and Inniss with quality high balls into the box would seem strange.
Inniss from set pieces; not playing as a striker !
We see our far side winger is required to get in the box at the far post from wide; and Morgan around the 'D'.
Fraser is the midfielder who moves off the ball to support Stockley in the box centrally.
Whether Stockley is scoring goals or not, he occupies and challenges the oppo CBs and keeper, while our support players ghost in more or less unmarked.
Anyway, that seems to be the plan. We've already scored several goals this way.
I'm sure our opponents will be thanking you for those observations.
Although I can't really imagine managers of our opponents are analysing our gameplan, by ploughing their way through the Charlton Life summer transfer rumours thread.
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I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?10
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imagine that, get you dream job as a football analyst then get told to scroll through that weeks oppositions forums.Oggy Red said:
I'm the new Karl Robinson, donchya know? :winky:SantaClaus said:Oggy Red said:
Watching all our League game highlights, you'll see that Fraser seems to be the main man designated to centrally support Stockley.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
Almost all the signings we have made haven't fitted that, not sure why people think it's a criteria tbh.Henry Irving said:Lewis Grabben is an interesting one.
Croydon born, now 34 but was a regular for Forest last season.
Doesn't fit the young player with sell on potential model but if you want some experience he could be the man.
No idea if he can play Garnerball but he can score goals.
Lewis Grabban can probably play about 60 minutes max these days as he admitted last season when he said he has no problem coming off the bench.
Jayden Stockley is fitting into the Central striker's role well it's just he's not scoring but his headers have led to goals as the keepers have parried them to CBT and Sakyi I still believe Jayden is better with a player close by and Ben Garner may have to compromise as we have some big players and not to utilise Stockley, Leaburn and Inniss with quality high balls into the box would seem strange.
Inniss from set pieces; not playing as a striker !
We see our far side winger is required to get in the box at the far post from wide; and Morgan around the 'D'.
Fraser is the midfielder who moves off the ball to support Stockley in the box centrally.
Whether Stockley is scoring goals or not, he occupies and challenges the oppo CBs and keeper, while our support players ghost in more or less unmarked.
Anyway, that seems to be the plan. We've already scored several goals this way.
I'm sure our opponents will be thanking you for those observations.
Although I can't really imagine managers of our opponents are analysing our gameplan, by ploughing their way through the Charlton Life summer transfer rumours thread.
you'd go mental I reckon2 -
100% agree re Clare and Dobson, they are the heartbeat of the team along with O'Connell at the moment.MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?
I think McGrandles gives up options and i think they were expecting to be able to move on Gilbey and JFC quite easily. You also have to be in for these guys when they are available.
Regarding Chucks wasnt that when Stockley had his back issue and we were down to just Davison and Washington ?0 -
MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?
Players tend to be signed in order of availability, rather than a predetermined sequence positionally.
Maybe because squad building is a jigsaw puzzle and all pieces are not in place yet?
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But with the owner wanting to cut losses that’s only going to become more difficult. Not sure it qualifies as a rebuild if the squad becomes smaller and/or weaker every seasonShootersHillGuru said:The last few posts illustrate perfectly the dilemma facing the club. It’s not at all easy getting business done on a tight budget and with financial restrictions. Our rebuild is in my opinion a two or even three window process.3 -
It worked for Thomas Dreisen!cafcdave123 said:
imagine that, get you dream job as a football analyst then get told to scroll through that weeks oppositions forums.Oggy Red said:
I'm the new Karl Robinson, donchya know? :winky:SantaClaus said:Oggy Red said:
Watching all our League game highlights, you'll see that Fraser seems to be the main man designated to centrally support Stockley.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
Almost all the signings we have made haven't fitted that, not sure why people think it's a criteria tbh.Henry Irving said:Lewis Grabben is an interesting one.
Croydon born, now 34 but was a regular for Forest last season.
Doesn't fit the young player with sell on potential model but if you want some experience he could be the man.
No idea if he can play Garnerball but he can score goals.
Lewis Grabban can probably play about 60 minutes max these days as he admitted last season when he said he has no problem coming off the bench.
Jayden Stockley is fitting into the Central striker's role well it's just he's not scoring but his headers have led to goals as the keepers have parried them to CBT and Sakyi I still believe Jayden is better with a player close by and Ben Garner may have to compromise as we have some big players and not to utilise Stockley, Leaburn and Inniss with quality high balls into the box would seem strange.
Inniss from set pieces; not playing as a striker !
We see our far side winger is required to get in the box at the far post from wide; and Morgan around the 'D'.
Fraser is the midfielder who moves off the ball to support Stockley in the box centrally.
Whether Stockley is scoring goals or not, he occupies and challenges the oppo CBs and keeper, while our support players ghost in more or less unmarked.
Anyway, that seems to be the plan. We've already scored several goals this way.
I'm sure our opponents will be thanking you for those observations.
Although I can't really imagine managers of our opponents are analysing our gameplan, by ploughing their way through the Charlton Life summer transfer rumours thread.
you'd go mental I reckon
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That being the case I can only imagine the the jigsaw piece that is a striker has been put in the wrong box/under the sofa/been hoovered up never to be seen again. Our lovely 500 piece jigsaw puzzle, when finished, will have a great gaping piece missing right in the f**king centre for all to see.Oggy Red said:MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?
Players tend to be signed in order of availability, rather than a predetermined sequence positionally.
Maybe because squad building is a jigsaw puzzle and all pieces are not in place yet?6 -
Agreed, and the timescales available to build sides are getting shorter. You can see that every year in which a team overachieves in the EFL, just misses out on promotion, and in the summer faces a rebuild as players and even managers get poached. And that can happen even if the team gets promoted, e.g. with FGR in the summer.Cafc43v3r said:
The problem is if its a 3 or more window process you start losing players out the other end again. If we are in the same position this time next year your looking at players like Dobson, CBT, Payne and god knows who else entering their last year.ShootersHillGuru said:The last few posts illustrate perfectly the dilemma facing the club. It’s not at all easy getting business done on a tight budget and with financial restrictions. Our rebuild is in my opinion a two or even three window process.
Bowyer and Gallen basically put a team together in two windows but if we had lost at Wembley a 3rd or 4th wouldn't have made it right.
The easiest time is always this time.1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?We play with a midfield three, so we need 6 central midfielders to have proper squad cover. Garner has already shown he's big on rotating in the midfield. When we signed McGrandles he became the 6th centre mid in a squad where we were expecting two other midfielders to probably leave. We then signed Payne to make 7, though he's generally been played further forward rather than in the midfield three when he's played. If we hadn't signed McGrandles when we had the chance and he'd gone elsewhere and we'd still be looking to shift the other two but with no-one in. We'll probably shift Gilbey soon and possibly JFC on deadline day, and then we'd be running round feverishly trying to get centre mids in before the window closed while people whined that we always leave our business to the last minute and Sandgaard doesn't know how to build a squad. We'd also likely get a worse player because we shrugged our shoulders and ignored a target becoming available. Matt Smith v.3 anyone?The reason Clare has come up is because we're apparently talking to him about an extension and there's no indication we're going to lose Dobson either, there's not really a lot of need to panic about that just yet..1
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