Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

EugenesAxe said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Can't fault him for aiming high but is it wise to hire marketing consultants who've previously worked for Man Utd? I can't think of any similarities at all in terms of what we as a club should be doing, that would compare to what United do.

We should probably be looking more at what the likes of Millwall or Brentford do than the worlds biggest club.

I mean if you were looking at marketing your small start-up shopping business you wouldn't be hiring consultants who worked for Amazon.

When has TS done ANYTHING that a level headed "businessman" would do ? 

Can't you just see his sunshaded eyes light up when Man Utd was mentioned.....

Delusions of grandeur in spades.

I am wondering how the $ Vs £ situation affects this matter. I presume that TS trades in Dollars,so does its relative strength against the Pound benefit Thomas?

Fanny Fanackapan said:

J BLOCK said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

JamesSeed said:

We don’t need to shell out fortunes on management consultants. We need a proper CEO. 

Yep. That is the main issue for me.  An experienced football CEO in charge of the day to day running of the club would solve 95% of the issues. 

It will never happen though as Sandgaard doesn't listen to anyone outside of his own bubble 

I'd say lack of money to invest properly on the pitch is a good 50% of our issues. 

I'd answer that by saying there would be more money in the coffers for strengthening the squad had TS been less gung ho/ I know best  in so many other areas.

The list of questionable decisions is a looong one that clearly shows he ran before he could walk in almost every department.

Truly, only has himself to blame although I'm 100% certain he would deny it until the buffalo come home....

You stupid "boy"

Do you not feel he has also been let down by the recruitment team?

He did provide a decent player recruitment budget last season + the year before. Some of it was well spent on the likes of Fraser (that have improved us) but the majority has been spent on players that haven’t e.g. DJ, Kirk, Lavelle & Aneke.

Surely whoever advised him to spend on these players (bearing in mind he would know little about most of them) has to take some responsibility for our downfall? 

_MrDick said:

This Rui Pinto Character is really stirring the hornets nest.

I think it maybe Martin Sandgaard!

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

J BLOCK said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

JamesSeed said:

We don’t need to shell out fortunes on management consultants. We need a proper CEO. 

Yep. That is the main issue for me.  An experienced football CEO in charge of the day to day running of the club would solve 95% of the issues. 

It will never happen though as Sandgaard doesn't listen to anyone outside of his own bubble 

I'd say lack of money to invest properly on the pitch is a good 50% of our issues. 

I'd answer that by saying there would be more money in the coffers for strengthening the squad had TS been less gung ho/ I know best  in so many other areas.

The list of questionable decisions is a looong one that clearly shows he ran before he could walk in almost every department.

Truly, only has himself to blame although I'm 100% certain he would deny it until the buffalo come home....

You stupid "boy"

Do you not feel he has also been let down by the recruitment team?

He did provide a decent player recruitment budget last season + the year before. Some of it was well spent on the likes of Fraser (that have improved us) but the majority has been spent on players that haven’t e.g. DJ, Kirk, Lavelle & Aneke.

Surely whoever advised him to spend on these players (bearing in mind he would know little about most of them) has to take some responsibility for our downfall? 

The £1m+ spent on the above signings should have got TS better than a bottom half L1 side.

I'd refer you, respectfully of course, to consider who ""sits" on said recruitment c'tee/team.

Do you really believe that SG had the defining vote ?  

As for the infamous Black Box, enough said....

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

J BLOCK said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

JamesSeed said:

We don’t need to shell out fortunes on management consultants. We need a proper CEO. 

Yep. That is the main issue for me.  An experienced football CEO in charge of the day to day running of the club would solve 95% of the issues. 

It will never happen though as Sandgaard doesn't listen to anyone outside of his own bubble 

I'd say lack of money to invest properly on the pitch is a good 50% of our issues. 

I'd answer that by saying there would be more money in the coffers for strengthening the squad had TS been less gung ho/ I know best  in so many other areas.

The list of questionable decisions is a looong one that clearly shows he ran before he could walk in almost every department.

Truly, only has himself to blame although I'm 100% certain he would deny it until the buffalo come home....

You stupid "boy"

Do you not feel he has also been let down by the recruitment team?

He did provide a decent player recruitment budget last season + the year before. Some of it was well spent on the likes of Fraser (that have improved us) but the majority has been spent on players that haven’t e.g. DJ, Kirk, Lavelle & Aneke.

Surely whoever advised him to spend on these players (bearing in mind he would know little about most of them) has to take some responsibility for our downfall? 

The £1m+ spent on the above signings should have got TS better than a bottom half L1 side.

If the Sangaards had no input into recruitment other signing the cheques 100% agreement with you, but its a little like saying the hiring and firing is HRs fault.

CafcWest said:

Covered End said:

I don't actually think it is that guy.
Just a whistleblower alias that is being used. 

Yeah - I think you're right.  There are several Rui Pinto's on Twitter all using similar pictures.  More than one referencing CAFC...

In Portugal say Rui Pinto.
In the USA say John Doe.

swordfish said:

I only see negative feedback about TS these days, for good reason, and I no longer believe he's going to transform our fortunes for the better, but he has got some things right since he took over. Yes, the negatives overall outweigh the positives now, but it's unfair to ignore those areas where progress has been made.

Longer contracts for players and tying down academy players on contracts are examples of sensible insurance measures that most responsible owners would take. Investing in the academy makes it more attractive to youngsters with potential, which is also a sensible practice of benefit to the Club if we retain them, only selling when needs be. The improvements to Charlton TV and bringing the Women's team back into the Club have been widely welcomed as good initiatives too I think. I know some believe the PR disaster of trying to change the name negated that, but I still give him credit for what he actually did achieve. 

His area of business expertise doesn't make him suited to running a football Club though and it made zero sense financially for him to buy us. Indeed, anyone who buys us now can immediately face criticism for not making a sensible business decision as to do so guarantees losses, or so we're repeatedly told and has been proven time and again, in L1 at least, which unfortunately is a true reflection of where we are as a Club today, not that I'm saying we should accept it as our lot for good. 

We’re stuck with Aneke until June 25, Mansfield until June 24.  In theory it was the right thing to do, but we’ve been undone by the fact we’ve invested in largely crap players 

Money on this Rui bloke being JFC 

MrBurns said:

Money on this Rui bloke being JFC 

Pretty sure playing side won’t have access to this info.. who ever it is, is being feed from someone in the ops and comms or they actually work for the club. I think I know who it could be, but not fair to name 

DubaiCAFC said:

MrBurns said:

Money on this Rui bloke being JFC 

Pretty sure playing side won’t have access to this info.. who ever it is, is being feed from someone in the ops and comms or they actually work for the club. I think I know who it could be, but not fair to name 

...doesn't make it much fairer to speculate on a gossip board and excite the millions reading!

SmileLikePender said:

swordfish said:

I only see negative feedback about TS these days, for good reason, and I no longer believe he's going to transform our fortunes for the better, but he has got some things right since he took over. Yes, the negatives overall outweigh the positives now, but it's unfair to ignore those areas where progress has been made.

Longer contracts for players and tying down academy players on contracts are examples of sensible insurance measures that most responsible owners would take. Investing in the academy makes it more attractive to youngsters with potential, which is also a sensible practice of benefit to the Club if we retain them, only selling when needs be. The improvements to Charlton TV and bringing the Women's team back into the Club have been widely welcomed as good initiatives too I think. I know some believe the PR disaster of trying to change the name negated that, but I still give him credit for what he actually did achieve. 

His area of business expertise doesn't make him suited to running a football Club though and it made zero sense financially for him to buy us. Indeed, anyone who buys us now can immediately face criticism for not making a sensible business decision as to do so guarantees losses, or so we're repeatedly told and has been proven time and again, in L1 at least, which unfortunately is a true reflection of where we are as a Club today, not that I'm saying we should accept it as our lot for good. 

Regarding the negative feedback, I agree we need to acknowledge what he has done well. 

We should still take a step back and look at the bigger picture.   He is still new to running a football club, he's made some mistakes, no surprise there.  He's changed his business model, no surprise either, I'm sure he will continue to change his business model as time goes on, as he makes more mistakes and learns from them.  Probably much in the same way when he started his pharma device business.  He'll continue to get some things right and some things wrong.  I don't think he deserves to be attacked for everything that doesn't work out well. 

Also, I don't think we can judge his future aims based on pure rumours about intentions to sell assets that he doesn't own.

Too many opinions trying to make him out to be the worst owner ever, we could be a lot worse off.

Thanks Raelynn now get back to the kitchen boardroom / Charlton TV Studio / HR Dept.

bertpalmer said:

soapboxsam said:

Sorry to hear the safety office only lasted two weeks in the Job after falling through the pot hole portal.

can we play if we have no safety officer ??

Raelyn did a h&s course  a few years back. We'll be OK. 

SmileLikePender said:

swordfish said:

I only see negative feedback about TS these days, for good reason, and I no longer believe he's going to transform our fortunes for the better, but he has got some things right since he took over. Yes, the negatives overall outweigh the positives now, but it's unfair to ignore those areas where progress has been made.

Longer contracts for players and tying down academy players on contracts are examples of sensible insurance measures that most responsible owners would take. Investing in the academy makes it more attractive to youngsters with potential, which is also a sensible practice of benefit to the Club if we retain them, only selling when needs be. The improvements to Charlton TV and bringing the Women's team back into the Club have been widely welcomed as good initiatives too I think. I know some believe the PR disaster of trying to change the name negated that, but I still give him credit for what he actually did achieve. 

His area of business expertise doesn't make him suited to running a football Club though and it made zero sense financially for him to buy us. Indeed, anyone who buys us now can immediately face criticism for not making a sensible business decision as to do so guarantees losses, or so we're repeatedly told and has been proven time and again, in L1 at least, which unfortunately is a true reflection of where we are as a Club today, not that I'm saying we should accept it as our lot for good. 

Regarding the negative feedback, I agree we need to acknowledge what he has done well. 

We should still take a step back and look at the bigger picture.   He is still new to running a football club, he's made some mistakes, no surprise there.  He's changed his business model, no surprise either, I'm sure he will continue to change his business model as time goes on, as he makes more mistakes and learns from them.  Probably much in the same way when he started his pharma device business.  He'll continue to get some things right and some things wrong.  I don't think he deserves to be attacked for everything that doesn't work out well. 

Also, I don't think we can judge his future aims based on pure rumours about intentions to sell assets that he doesn't own.

Too many opinions trying to make him out to be the worst owner ever, we could be a lot worse off.

Yeah, had an exchange with someone on Twitter who was talking about the turnover on the coaching side and listed Bowyer, Skiverton, and Euell. Bowyer left for a side higher up the pyramid, a club he played for for years. Skiverton was always going to leave when Jacko left, it wouldn't make sense to keep Jacko's hand selected #2 on for another manager. And with Euell, I think it was something that ran its course. I think you want a new manager selecting their coaching team and I think with Euell it was a matter of make him manager or let him go, because he didn't really have anywhere else to go at this club.

I'm glad he got another job right away, and maybe his and the club's paths will cross again. 

Point being, now that opinions have turned on TS I think there's a desire to blame him for every little thing and not take into account some of the things that have happened are things that happen in football, even to the best run clubs, especially at our level. 

I think that takes away from the very legitimate criticisms of him. 

For example, we've spent a good amount on transfer fees for a team at this level. TS spending money, at least up until now, has not been the issue. The issue has been how it has been spent, namely the efficacy of the players it has been spent on. DJ, Lavelle, Aneke, and Kirk all commanded decent fees and arguably none are first choice. 

It's how I feel when people complain that we signed players from League Two. Those players--Wallocott, Payne, CBT, Egbo (still early but like the look of him), and O'Connell haven't been the biggest on-field issue this season. It's been Stockley and Inniss, signed from the Championship and Prem. Aneke never being fit, signed from the Championship. McGrandles (still early on him as well), DJ, and Kirk, all playing in League One before joining us. Lavelle kind of a gray area because he was technically signed from a League One club and had played in League One but was a L2 player the previous year.

Non-coaching/playing staff turnover, absolutely lies with him, he's the CEO and whatever else, buck stops with him. Hiring his son to do transfers, absolutely on him. He himself and his partner trying to run the club and making everyone miserable and bad business decisions, on him. But as the OP mentioned, there are some good things as well, including tying young players up to contracts so we don't lose them for free, and I think our approach of trying to sign younger players who we can hopefully sell on in the future (if need be) is also good, it's just the execution hasn't been good.