I agree there are all valid criticisms, non-coaching staff, player recruitment. We all wanted it be better. His son involved in transfer targets based on some sort of data analysis. It all needs improving. It doesn't mean that none of this will ever work.
I agree there are all valid criticisms, non-coaching staff, player recruitment. We all wanted it be better. His son involved in transfer targets based on some sort of data analysis. It all needs improving. It doesn't mean that none of this will ever work.
I’d add the match day ticket pricing….
But i do take on board the good things you mention…
I agree there are all valid criticisms, non-coaching staff, player recruitment. We all wanted it be better. His son involved in transfer targets based on some sort of data analysis. It all needs improving. It doesn't mean that none of this will ever work.
I don’t think it will ever work, because the flaws derive from TS’s approach and he won’t change. I suspect some people are still underestimating quite how bad things are within the club.
That said I don’t buy any of the conspiracy theory stuff and I don’t believe Sandgaard wanted anything other than to succeed. This is why he is better than ESI, Duchatelet or the Spivs, although at least the Spivs mostly kept out of the way until the Cash ran out in 2012.
The Barclay thing isn’t worth endlessly revisiting but the idea it wasn’t serious or that his failure to meet RD showed a lack of intent is laughable. It also wasn’t (just) Barclay’s money. The other party had a track record of relevant expertise as well as more money.
RD was on the hook for the £7m until Sandgaard showed up which is what may have brought him to the table if TS hadn’t shown up. But we’ll never know, because he gave him an out. It’s all spilt milk now.
I agree there are all valid criticisms, non-coaching staff, player recruitment. We all wanted it be better. His son involved in transfer targets based on some sort of data analysis. It all needs improving. It doesn't mean that none of this will ever work.
I don’t think it will ever work, because the flaws derive from TS’s approach and he won’t change. I suspect some people are still underestimating quite how bad things are within the club.
That said I don’t buy any of the conspiracy theory stuff and I don’t believe Sandgaard wanted anything other than to succeed. This is why he is better than ESI, Duchatelet or the Spivs, although at least the Spivs mostly kept out of the way until the Cash ran out in 2012.
The Barclay thing isn’t worth endlessly revisiting but the idea it wasn’t serious or that his failure to meet RD showed a lack of intent is laughable. It also wasn’t (just) Barclay’s money. The other party had a track record of relevant expertise as well as more money.
RD was on the hook for the £7m until Sandgaard showed up which is what may have brought him to the table if TS hadn’t shown up. But we’ll never know, because he gave him an out. It’s all spilt milk now.
You know a lot more than me about how he works, so it's very disappointing if he's not the type of person who can learn from mistakes.
Regarding how bad things are within the club, what sort of things do you think this could lead to?
I agree there are all valid criticisms, non-coaching staff, player recruitment. We all wanted it be better. His son involved in transfer targets based on some sort of data analysis. It all needs improving. It doesn't mean that none of this will ever work.
I don’t think it will ever work, because the flaws derive from TS’s approach and he won’t change. I suspect some people are still underestimating quite how bad things are within the club.
That said I don’t buy any of the conspiracy theory stuff and I don’t believe Sandgaard wanted anything other than to succeed. This is why he is better than ESI, Duchatelet or the Spivs, although at least the Spivs mostly kept out of the way until the Cash ran out in 2012.
The Barclay thing isn’t worth endlessly revisiting but the idea it wasn’t serious or that his failure to meet RD showed a lack of intent is laughable. It also wasn’t (just) Barclay’s money. The other party had a track record of relevant expertise as well as more money.
RD was on the hook for the £7m until Sandgaard showed up which is what may have brought him to the table if TS hadn’t shown up. But we’ll never know, because he gave him an out. It’s all spilt milk now.
You know far more people within the club that I do, but the only thing I'd say is that we don't know that TS won't change. I don't think we know that yet. I think it's a very fair assumption based on the evidence to this point, I just don't feel we're quite at the point of it being a foregone conclusion.
I agree that he came into this wanting to succeed, as I said in an earlier post, I don't think he's malicious in that he wants it to fail. I think the success would feed his ego, which he obviously wants, but I still think he wants the club to succeed.
When you combine that with the fact that we're still somewhat early into his time owning the club, there is still a chance things might change. When I say "early," it's certainly not early compared to the length of recent regimes who have headed the club. But a lot of the first season, from what, September to May, seemed (from the outside looking in) to be about stabilizing things on the pitch and trying to throw a decent team together quickly. I can't say what it was like to work within the club in that time, but I feel like from a playing-side perspective, it's been within the last maybe 18 months that he's switched from being reactive to proactive. And obviously, the results, both on the playing and non-playing side, are shit.
Unlike the Spivs who ran out of money, or Roland who just wanted rid, or ESI where it was all a grift and a series of grifters grifting each other, I think there is a way for TS to hit a "rock bottom" without the club ending up with a winding up order. I think he is far more likely to change than the previous three. That is very much damning with faint praise.
Sorry, I bring this up not be contrarian, and not because I have a particular affinity for the guy (see previous posts) or the workplace he has created, but because I think it should color our mentality and approach as supporters toward him. We've been through so many bad owners and awful situations in the last decade that sometimes I feel people are approaching TS the way they did ESI. And the two groups are very different.
I just feel like the approach should be "this needs to change" instead of "TS out at all costs." Least of all because, as I say time and again, who wants to buy a 5m/year expenditure when you don't own the ground and you don't have a realistic way of making money in the near-to-medium term? No one good is almost certainly the answer.
To be extra clear, I am not excusing TS, the way he has conducted business, or the workplace he seems to have created. I do not want to support a club that treats its workers like shit. One of the things I love most about Charlton is that it's a community club, and a massive part of that has to be that people within the community want to work for and with the club. And TS taking that away is taking away part of what makes Charlton special. And we can't stand for that.
I think anybody thinking a 50+ year old businessman who refuses to hire a footballing CEO and puts his missus and son into roles they are not qualified for is going to change, you are sadly mistaken.
I think we can has a good idea that he won't change, simply because we have a good idea how the man works. Personally, I felt he was wasting money when he was spending it and he is the sort of idiot who will go from one extreme to the other. I thought it was a bit crass talking to every fan who messaged him in the beginning and now there is radio silence. I thought it was crass telling us he had a 5 year plan too. I don't belive you can have such a plan, but if it was waste money in years one and two and spend nothing from then on, I'm not sure what sort of plan that is.
There have been reports of behind the scenes turmoil through last season and we are finding out that he is also not a very nice man. So an egocentric, nasty, football idiot who doesn't want to learn from his mistakes is all I see.
Can't fault him for aiming high but is it wise to hire marketing consultants who've previously worked for Man Utd? I can't think of any similarities at all in terms of what we as a club should be doing, that would compare to what United do.
We should probably be looking more at what the likes of Millwall or Brentford do than the worlds biggest club.
I mean if you were looking at marketing your small start-up shopping business you wouldn't be hiring consultants who worked for Amazon.
Welling would be a good start. They are running rings around us with their simple, straightforward and pragmatic offers. Gates have doubled, beer, food and club shop sales are up too and they are pressing on. We have to get real on what's being promoted and what will attract large numbers of fans. £3 off each of three already expensive match tickets bought in advance, which might otherwise attract a ludicrous £3 booking fee just makes us looks silly.
We don’t need to shell out fortunes on management consultants. We need a proper CEO.
Yep. That is the main issue for me. An experienced football CEO in charge of the day to day running of the club would solve 95% of the issues.
It will never happen though as Sandgaard doesn't listen to anyone outside of his own bubble
I'd say lack of money to invest properly on the pitch is a good 50% of our issues.
I'd answer that by saying there would be more money in the coffers for strengthening the squad had TS been less gung ho/ I know best in so many other areas.
The list of questionable decisions is a looong one that clearly shows he ran before he could walk in almost every department.
Truly, only has himself to blame although I'm 100% certain he would deny it until the buffalo come home....
You stupid "boy"
Do you not feel he has also been let down by the recruitment team?
He did provide a decent player recruitment budget last season + the year before. Some of it was well spent on the likes of Fraser (that have improved us) but the majority has been spent on players that haven’t e.g. DJ, Kirk, Lavelle & Aneke.
Surely whoever advised him to spend on these players (bearing in mind he would know little about most of them) has to take some responsibility for our downfall?
The £1m+ spent on the above signings should have got TS better than a bottom half L1 side.
Can't fault him for aiming high but is it wise to hire marketing consultants who've previously worked for Man Utd? I can't think of any similarities at all in terms of what we as a club should be doing, that would compare to what United do.
We should probably be looking more at what the likes of Millwall or Brentford do than the worlds biggest club.
I mean if you were looking at marketing your small start-up shopping business you wouldn't be hiring consultants who worked for Amazon.
Welling would be a good start. They are running rings around us with their simple, straightforward and pragmatic offers. Gates have doubled, beer, food and club shop sales are up too and they are pressing on. We have to get real on what's being promoted and what will attract large numbers of fans. £3 off each of three already expensive match tickets bought in advance, which might otherwise attract a ludicrous £3 booking fee just makes us looks silly.
Can't fault him for aiming high but is it wise to hire marketing consultants who've previously worked for Man Utd? I can't think of any similarities at all in terms of what we as a club should be doing, that would compare to what United do.
We should probably be looking more at what the likes of Millwall or Brentford do than the worlds biggest club.
I mean if you were looking at marketing your small start-up shopping business you wouldn't be hiring consultants who worked for Amazon.
Welling would be a good start. They are running rings around us with their simple, straightforward and pragmatic offers. Gates have doubled, beer, food and club shop sales are up too and they are pressing on. We have to get real on what's being promoted and what will attract large numbers of fans. £3 off each of three already expensive match tickets bought in advance, which might otherwise attract a ludicrous £3 booking fee just makes us looks silly.
Are the increased gates not simply a result of them playing well and being in the play off places as opposed to fighting relegation though?
Everything else, food, beer, club shop will naturally follow as a result of the increased gates.
I think we can has a good idea that he won't change, simply because we have a good idea how the man works. Personally, I felt he was wasting money when he was spending it and he is the sort of idiot who will go from one extreme to the other. I thought it was a bit crass talking to every fan who messaged him in the beginning and now there is radio silence. I thought it was crass telling us he had a 5 year plan too. I don't belive you can have such a plan, but if it was waste money in years one and two and spend nothing from then on, I'm not sure what sort of plan that is.
There have been reports of behind the scenes turmoil through last season and we are finding out that he is also not a very nice man. So an egocentric, nasty, football idiot who doesn't want to learn from his mistakes is all
I agree there are all valid criticisms, non-coaching staff, player recruitment. We all wanted it be better. His son involved in transfer targets based on some sort of data analysis. It all needs improving. It doesn't mean that none of this will ever work.
I don’t think it will ever work, because the flaws derive from TS’s approach and he won’t change. I suspect some people are still underestimating quite how bad things are within the club.
That said I don’t buy any of the conspiracy theory stuff and I don’t believe Sandgaard wanted anything other than to succeed. This is why he is better than ESI, Duchatelet or the Spivs, although at least the Spivs mostly kept out of the way until the Cash ran out in 2012.
The Barclay thing isn’t worth endlessly revisiting but the idea it wasn’t serious or that his failure to meet RD showed a lack of intent is laughable. It also wasn’t (just) Barclay’s money. The other party had a track record of relevant expertise as well as more money.
RD was on the hook for the £7m until Sandgaard showed up which is what may have brought him to the table if TS hadn’t shown up. But we’ll never know, because he gave him an out. It’s all spilt milk now.
Both Hulyer's conspiracy theory and the one suggesting it was RD's intention to watch us go bust once he'd sold us to ESI I presume, RD being motivated by money, his best chance of getting his back with Charlton in the Premier League.
Is his son working for free or something? Or on a low wage? Obviously, that's unlikely.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
I would say don't over think it. The job of being the son of a rich guy is to be the son of a rich guy. So if that means heading up his newest toy, great! That's your job now. You're magically qualified.
Is his son working for free or something? Or on a low wage? Obviously, that's unlikely.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
Well his son gets a job out of it. Of course it could be argued he could do that at Zynex.
But it could be as simple as his son will have never had a job interview before - and needs a job. Same as my brother in law - who is 52 and never had to find a job in his life. When my father in law retires and sells the business he literally will be all at sea.
Family tends to come before anything in life which whilst understandable, doesn’t help us a bit.
Interesting that Sandgaard is back in the UK. He’s definitely a lot less popular than he was on his last visit. I wonder if he will wander over to the away end at Lincoln like he did at Wycombe?
Is his son working for free or something? Or on a low wage? Obviously, that's unlikely.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
Well his son gets a job out of it. Of course it could be argued he could do that at Zynex.
But it could be as simple as his son will have never had a job interview before - and needs a job. Same as my brother in law - who is 52 and never had to find a job in his life. When my father in law retires and sells the business he literally will be all at sea.
Family tends to come before anything in life which whilst understandable, doesn’t help us a bit.
It is understandable to a certain degree, but also really stupid.
His son can add it to his CV, but perhaps best to leave out any details of the job and why he had the job in the 1st place
Should send his son to university and make him pursue a pathway he is skilled in. He has has the money for it.
Is his son working for free or something? Or on a low wage? Obviously, that's unlikely.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
Well his son gets a job out of it. Of course it could be argued he could do that at Zynex.
He did do that at Zynex, his black box there enabled him to scout out the best website developer to employ for Zynex…. Coincidentally they were also the cheapest (a bit like only recruiting from league 2 or below)…
Edit: also when questioned at the time regarding his sons employment, Tommy told the Zynex faithful that his boy had the most powerful pain removal technique in the whole country….
I think we can has a good idea that he won't change, simply because we have a good idea how the man works. Personally, I felt he was wasting money when he was spending it and he is the sort of idiot who will go from one extreme to the other. I thought it was a bit crass talking to every fan who messaged him in the beginning and now there is radio silence. I thought it was crass telling us he had a 5 year plan too. I don't belive you can have such a plan, but if it was waste money in years one and two and spend nothing from then on, I'm not sure what sort of plan that is.
There have been reports of behind the scenes turmoil through last season and we are finding out that he is also not a very nice man. So an egocentric, nasty, football idiot who doesn't want to learn from his mistakes is all I see.
He has probably never been in such a situation before Mutley. I don't see any history of him turning a loss making business into a successful one on board Sandgaard's portfolio. He needs help but as you say his ego stands in the way of that happening.
Is his son working for free or something? Or on a low wage? Obviously, that's unlikely.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
Well his son gets a job out of it. Of course it could be argued he could do that at Zynex.
But it could be as simple as his son will have never had a job interview before - and needs a job. Same as my brother in law - who is 52 and never had to find a job in his life. When my father in law retires and sells the business he literally will be all at sea.
Family tends to come before anything in life which whilst understandable, doesn’t help us a bit.
It is understandable to a certain degree, but also really stupid.
His son can add it to his CV, but perhaps best to leave out any details of the job and why he had the job in the 1st place
Should send his son to university and make him pursue a pathway he is skilled in. He has has the money for it.
Is his son working for free or something? Or on a low wage? Obviously, that's unlikely.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
Well his son gets a job out of it. Of course it could be argued he could do that at Zynex.
But it could be as simple as his son will have never had a job interview before - and needs a job. Same as my brother in law - who is 52 and never had to find a job in his life. When my father in law retires and sells the business he literally will be all at sea.
Family tends to come before anything in life which whilst understandable, doesn’t help us a bit.
Wouldn't be able to get the u21s to put crosses in for him to practise his very hard shots at Zynex though...
At lunchtime today I knew how Jim White feels on transfer deadline day, phone never stopped ringing.
Seems Mr Pinto was right and confirmed what I was told about her absence. Missing at YouTube game, absent without apologies from it’s her game too meeting. Piss enough people off, then make sure your arse is covered.
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He does what he wants
He’s Thomas Sandgaard he does what he wants
But i do take on board the good things you mention…
That said I don’t buy any of the conspiracy theory stuff and I don’t believe Sandgaard wanted anything other than to succeed. This is why he is better than ESI, Duchatelet or the Spivs, although at least the Spivs mostly kept out of the way until the Cash ran out in 2012.
The Barclay thing isn’t worth endlessly revisiting but the idea it wasn’t serious or that his failure to meet RD showed a lack of intent is laughable. It also wasn’t (just) Barclay’s money. The other party had a track record of relevant expertise as well as more money.
I agree that he came into this wanting to succeed, as I said in an earlier post, I don't think he's malicious in that he wants it to fail. I think the success would feed his ego, which he obviously wants, but I still think he wants the club to succeed.
When you combine that with the fact that we're still somewhat early into his time owning the club, there is still a chance things might change. When I say "early," it's certainly not early compared to the length of recent regimes who have headed the club. But a lot of the first season, from what, September to May, seemed (from the outside looking in) to be about stabilizing things on the pitch and trying to throw a decent team together quickly. I can't say what it was like to work within the club in that time, but I feel like from a playing-side perspective, it's been within the last maybe 18 months that he's switched from being reactive to proactive. And obviously, the results, both on the playing and non-playing side, are shit.
Unlike the Spivs who ran out of money, or Roland who just wanted rid, or ESI where it was all a grift and a series of grifters grifting each other, I think there is a way for TS to hit a "rock bottom" without the club ending up with a winding up order. I think he is far more likely to change than the previous three. That is very much damning with faint praise.
Sorry, I bring this up not be contrarian, and not because I have a particular affinity for the guy (see previous posts) or the workplace he has created, but because I think it should color our mentality and approach as supporters toward him. We've been through so many bad owners and awful situations in the last decade that sometimes I feel people are approaching TS the way they did ESI. And the two groups are very different.
I just feel like the approach should be "this needs to change" instead of "TS out at all costs." Least of all because, as I say time and again, who wants to buy a 5m/year expenditure when you don't own the ground and you don't have a realistic way of making money in the near-to-medium term? No one good is almost certainly the answer.
To be extra clear, I am not excusing TS, the way he has conducted business, or the workplace he seems to have created. I do not want to support a club that treats its workers like shit. One of the things I love most about Charlton is that it's a community club, and a massive part of that has to be that people within the community want to work for and with the club. And TS taking that away is taking away part of what makes Charlton special. And we can't stand for that.
Won't change
Doesn't want to change
I think anybody thinking a 50+ year old businessman who refuses to hire a footballing CEO and puts his missus and son into roles they are not qualified for is going to change, you are sadly mistaken.
There have been reports of behind the scenes turmoil through last season and we are finding out that he is also not a very nice man. So an egocentric, nasty, football idiot who doesn't want to learn from his mistakes is all I see.
What's the logic in hiring his son into a pressurising unsuccessful business that's only losing money and going nowhere?
Neither of them will be getting much out of it.
It's just a pointless "my way or the highway" approach
Everything else, food, beer, club shop will naturally follow as a result of the increased gates.
But it could be as simple as his son will have never had a job interview before - and needs a job. Same as my brother in law - who is 52 and never had to find a job in his life. When my father in law retires and sells the business he literally will be all at sea.
Family tends to come before anything in life which whilst understandable, doesn’t help us a bit.
It is understandable to a certain degree, but also really stupid.
His son can add it to his CV, but perhaps best to leave out any details of the job and why he had the job in the 1st place
Should send his son to university and make him pursue a pathway he is skilled in. He has has the money for it.
Coincidentally they were also the cheapest (a bit like only recruiting from league 2 or below)…
Edit: also when questioned at the time regarding his sons employment, Tommy told the Zynex faithful that his boy had the most powerful pain removal technique in the whole country….
THIS 100%
Missing at YouTube game, absent without apologies from it’s her game too meeting.
Piss enough people off, then make sure your arse is covered.