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Post-Match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Bristol Rovers | Saturday 17th December 2022
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LargeAddick said:Why was Stockley allowed to keep the captaincy after his retrospective sending off at Port Vale? Not exactly showing the required leadership qualities with his actions and on the pitch he doesn't show any either.7
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golfaddick said:blackpool72 said:Pedro45 said:Innis cost us the game. Tackled for the first and a crap clearance for the second. Whole shape fell apart after they scored and going three at the back made us look very vulnerable. How Payne stayed on the whole game I just don't know. CBT looked ill to me, or not bothered?
Wednesday will be Hayes last game in charge hopefully.
The players are simply not good enough
We played some good stuff 1st half & should have gone in 3-0 up. They only got back into it because we wanted to play football 20 yards from goal. League 1 footballers should be clearing the ball, not trying to pass it around like they are Bobby Moore.1 -
Covered End said:We should have won by 4 or 5.
Inniss gifted them 2 goals out of nowhere.
Speechless.0 -
Official attendance 12,340
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60 years ago give or take a week or two I was watching the teleprinter with my late Dad and commented that Spurs were our team as at the time they were the 'glamour' club. 'no they're not he said and lectured me on how the family had followed Charlton Athletic since the 1920s if not before. He then said that I was now old enough to go to Charlton and he said we (and my grandparents) would go to the 3rd round FA Cup tie against Cardiff City on the first Saturday of January.
I never got to that match as the winter of 1962/63 was such with snow and ice that games were postponed to such an extent that the Pools Panel was created. As an aside that cup tie was eventually played midweek (I wasn't deemed old enough to attend on a school night) and we won before being drawn against Chelsea and, thanks in the main to Bobby Tambling, getting hammered.
However, I did eventually get to The Valley once the weather improved and that season set the scene for much of the next 60 years a battle with relegation which we eventually survived courtesy of a late goal from Cliff Durandt at The Valley to defeat Southampton and then an away win at Walsall in midweek. We stayed up on goal average at Walsall's expense. At the time we were in the old division 2, the equivalent of today's Championship.
I loved it all at the time and obsessively filled in my league ladders from my comic. In short despite lack of success I was hooked.
The purpose of this self indulgent tale is to state that for the first time in those 60 years I feel little or nothing in terms of enthusiasm for Charlton. Reading various threads I'm not alone in that which is sad for the future of the Club.
I'm an old git so Katrien Meire, if she was still around, would probably open a bottle in celebration that another old git had bitten the Charlton dust. I sense that fans considerably younger than me feel the same way.
I have grandsons and just don't see how I can inflict the misery of Charlton upon them. Taking them now would kill their enthusiasm for football in general let alone Charlton in particular.
Sad to be thinking this way but I can't help it even though 60 years of support should be something to celebrate as should introducing a sixth generation of Charlton fans.30 -
Some of the comments about Inniss are slightly unfair, as he's being asked to do something he can't do. We're not going to replace Inniss and Lavelle with Van Dijk and Laporte this January, so we need to play in a way that accepts that they are crap on the ball. The likes of Chapple and Rufus would have been terrible at tippy tappy stuff around the box, but it didn't matter as we played to their strengths.
Instead we have centre backs that have been told they have to play in a way that's alien to them, hence the indecision at the back where players who would have launched it last season, instead dally on the ball or try to "pass" their way out of trouble. Disastrously.7 -
ElfsborgAddick said:stockportaddick said:ElfsborgAddick said:Attendance given as 12 ,340
I imagine that there were never 9,000 bums on seats.1 -
Lincsaddick said:I commented before the game on the 4 3 3 formation hoping that it would be a improvement on the Garner 4 3 3 or any variety except 4 4 2 that Garner dreamed up .. it wasn't the case .. early days perhaps, BUT Hayes looks fecking clueless, not unexpected I guess
The second half was sh1t, agreed, but that happens when a team has lost all confidence and self belief, and you centre half gives away two goals. Not sure you can blame Hayes for that though.I know everything about the club is negative right now, but we should try to see positives, if and when they arise, and that first half was clearly an unexpected positive.3 -
That's itDon't blame the managerIt's not the players' faultIt's all the Chairman's and SMTNo. Collectively they are transpiring to make us a laughing stock.It starts at the top but the players have to take some pride. The manager picks the team, sets the team up, makes the subs, does the team talk.STOP passing it about in Defence on an almost frozen pitch. 1-0. Find channels. Turn their back 4.Just WIN a game. Win it ugly.Be professional.We are an embarrasment.2
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ElfsborgAddick said:Laddick01 said:Can't accept that Inniss is anywhere near good enough. He makes at least 1 mistake per 90 (usually more).Wouldn't even want him in league 2, he is utterly useless.2
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You know, I do believe this ship may sink.0
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JamesSeed said:Lincsaddick said:I commented before the game on the 4 3 3 formation hoping that it would be a improvement on the Garner 4 3 3 or any variety except 4 4 2 that Garner dreamed up .. it wasn't the case .. early days perhaps, BUT Hayes looks fecking clueless, not unexpected I guess
The second half was sh1t, agreed, but that happens when a team has lost all confidence and self belief, and you centre half gives away two goals. Not sure you can blame Hayes for that though.I know everything about the club is negative right now, but we should try to see positives, if and when they arise, and that first half was clearly an unexpected positive.
I agree about the first half .. my objection is the surrender as soon as we go behind, or even when the opposition draw level, totally, totally unacceptable and the management as well as the players bear responsibility for that situation
we all know that we lack leadership and just old fashioned guts and bottle .. all this has been said umpteen times before .. how can a pro sportsman be as inept as some of our 'footballers;'
.. What hasn't helped was Garner jumping from a listing ship and never mind about the 'broken promises', Garner's a grown man, a seasoned pro, not a silly little teenage sulky brat, though he has acted like one for the past few months and that went a long way to destroy what little confidence the squad had. I hope he never gets another managerial job EVER, plus of course i m o he was not all that anyway, not at all .. anyway he's gone
Hayes has been handed the proverbial poisoned chalice and he so far doesn't seem to have the players on his side and reverting to 4 3 3 to my mind indicates as said above he is fucking useless .. let Pearce do the job, he can't be any worse .. can he ??2 -
wasn’t that long ago that I would be at a home game whatever the comp. I could not think of anything worse than going on Wednesday:0
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ISawLeaburnScore said:The fact that Ryan Innis still puts a shirt on for this football club after doing what he did at Wimbledon last season says it all. There is no discipline, judgement or intelligence at this football club - on the pitch, off the pitch, anywhere you look. There are no standards and there are no consequences.
We are falling fast and though we have a tendency to lurch from one crisis to the next, this is the first time I can recall where we have nothing to hold onto - no gutsy players, no sentimental manager, no redeeming ownership or senior leadership, no forgiving crowd. There is no floor.1 -
swordfish said:You know, I do believe this ship may sink.
The RNLI are already out looking for any signs of life.1 -
All I want for Christmas is… Sandgaard gone, Inniss gone, Lavelle gone, Stockley gone, DJ gone, Morgan gone, McGrandles gone… You get the gist. Simply not good enough. A season of survival and we hopefully go again, but what an absolute shambles of mismanagement this has become. Absolutely pathetic.5
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Lincs
I wasn't aware Garner jumped ship.
Surely he was sacked.0 -
Starinnaddick said:Lincs
I wasn't aware Garner jumped ship.
Surely he was sacked.5 -
LenGlover said:60 years ago give or take a week or two I was watching the teleprinter with my late Dad and commented that Spurs were our team as at the time they were the 'glamour' club. 'no they're not he said and lectured me on how the family had followed Charlton Athletic since the 1920s if not before. He then said that I was now old enough to go to Charlton and he said we (and my grandparents) would go to the 3rd round FA Cup tie against Cardiff City on the first Saturday of January.
I never got to that match as the winter of 1962/63 was such with snow and ice that games were postponed to such an extent that the Pools Panel was created. As an aside that cup tie was eventually played midweek (I wasn't deemed old enough to attend on a school night) and we won before being drawn against Chelsea and, thanks in the main to Bobby Tambling, getting hammered.
However, I did eventually get to The Valley once the weather improved and that season set the scene for much of the next 60 years a battle with relegation which we eventually survived courtesy of a late goal from Cliff Durandt at The Valley to defeat Southampton and then an away win at Walsall in midweek. We stayed up on goal average at Walsall's expense. At the time we were in the old division 2, the equivalent of today's Championship.
I loved it all at the time and obsessively filled in my league ladders from my comic. In short despite lack of success I was hooked.
The purpose of this self indulgent tale is to state that for the first time in those 60 years I feel little or nothing in terms of enthusiasm for Charlton. Reading various threads I'm not alone in that which is sad for the future of the Club.
I'm an old git so Katrien Meire, if she was still around, would probably open a bottle in celebration that another old git had bitten the Charlton dust. I sense that fans considerably younger than me feel the same way.
I have grandsons and just don't see how I can inflict the misery of Charlton upon them. Taking them now would kill their enthusiasm for football in general let alone Charlton in particular.
Sad to be thinking this way but I can't help it even though 60 years of support should be something to celebrate as should introducing a sixth generation of Charlton fans.2 - Sponsored links:
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LargeAddick said:Why was Stockley allowed to keep the captaincy after his retrospective sending off at Port Vale? Not exactly showing the required leadership qualities with his actions and on the pitch he doesn't show any either.9
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len Glover was my hero as a boy, followed by Matt Tees.I read the comments by “ Len Glover” on this thread and unfortunately feel the same. I was going to todays game but my daughter said she would visit with my grandchildren, I chose that option. It’s sad that’s what Charlton has become to me.3
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RedChaser said:LargeAddick said:Why was Stockley allowed to keep the captaincy after his retrospective sending off at Port Vale? Not exactly showing the required leadership qualities with his actions and on the pitch he doesn't show any either.
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Innis can feck off.
Stockley can feck off.
Thomas can feck off.
Jetlag can feck off.4 -
I am beyond caring and embarrassed to say I am a fan1
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LargeAddick said:Am I the only person who disagrees with this 'we should have been 3 or 4 up at half time'? I thought we were ok against an average Rovers side who we let back it in for the last ten minutes of the first half. They were always going to be better second half whilst we were woeful all over the pitch, special mention in dispatches though to Inniss. However, in general, we are absolute toilet.1
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ElfsborgAddick said:Attendance given as 12 ,340
I imagine that there were never 9,000 bums on seats.0 -
I also noticed Stockley moaning at his team mates and the bench. At one point he was stood moaning for a couple of minutes while the play carried on at the other end of the pitch without him, unbelievable.
He really shouldn’t be captain any longer give the armband to Dobson.
That being said Inniss cost us this match.8 -
Well, no doubt a lot will be said over the coming days. We have all had enough, i know this club and its supporters will stay loyal. I see Andy Murray has given £500k to ukraine for his unicef role. Maybe the players should donate some of their money to the needy who have struggled this winter and will do for the months ahead. This will be a reality check and maybe they will get, sadly not the case, i cannot snd will not make excuses for the current bunch!1
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Bob's lot offering 12/1 on relegation. With our forthcoming run of game's I am tempted. If only bet365s cash outs weren't so miserly...0