Jonny Williams - now at Gillingham (p47)

oohaahmortimer said:

What did JW post on social media after the incident

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talalsrightfoot said:

I hope we dont sign him, i thought he was dreadfully lightweight when he should of been in his physical prime so lords knows how his body will ve after the injuries, also he showed his attitude when Bowyer criticised him and he resorted to posting indirects on social media like a teenage girl instead of speaking to him.

What Jonny was subjected to by Bowyer was bullying not criticising, several senior players had to intervene.

Thats a very weak interpretation of bullying. Bowyer publicly stated a fact which was Williams bottled out of a challenge. Also it doesnt change the fact that Williams choice to respond to Bowyer was to post indirects on social media which isnt really hwo a man should deal with things.

The "he bottled a challenge" comment is not the bullying I was referring to. Bowyer can be an aggressive individual, perhaps Jonny felt intimidated in continuing the confrontation in person.

Both Darren Pratley and Ben Watson felt LB's behaviour was over the line and both had to step in, would they do that if it was just a bit of criticism? 

Sadly not every one can "deal with things like a man" whatever that even means.

How do you know pratley and watson stepped in ?

Im sorey it tells me everything i need to know about his  character, he felt intimidated so went online and posted indirects like a teenager.

Like a man i mean with dignity and self-respect. Go and speak to the person directly you have an issue with.

Also you say his behaviour was over the line yet havent stated one example where his behaviour was over the line ?

I know what happened because I personally know one of the people involved very well.

You may be the kind of person who doesn't get intimidated when someone is shouting in your face, however a large amount of people will be.

If you can't understand that then there isn't much point in continuing this commentary. 

Ok fair enough i cant judge for your personal circumstances.

Also cant judge whether about Bowyer shouting in his face as thats not public knowledge. If it did happen, which im not disputing i think the only way to deal with that is to shout back. Maybe i am being a bit harsh on JW and "his character", i dont know him.

Personally yes I probably would shout back, however I also recognise that some people wouldn't feel comfortable doing that is it often escalates a situation to become potentially violent.

Just because JW may not want a potentially violent confrontation to occur does not make him any "less of man" or lacking in dignity/self respect. If you do believe those things then that it is a damning indictment on your own character and not his.

Absolutley not an indictment of my own character that i believe people should hold them selves with more dignity and not cower from confrontation.

What if JW was a woman, would it be okay for him "cower from confrontation"?

What if LB was a professional boxer would it be okay for JW to "cower from confrontation"?

Firstly i dont believe men should act aggressivly to women.

What if ? What if ? What if we deal with facts ?

Also yes if he was a professional boxer its still not a reason to cower from confrontation, confrontation doesnt equal violence.

Okay, here's a fact: Lee Bowyer has been charged with GBH and affray in a court of law. 

Here's another fact: Lee Bowyer got a red card for getting into a punch up with someone on his own team. 

Based on those facts, your plan for confrontation is to shout in his face? Good luck, God speed.

Ok so your plan for life it let people talk to you however they feel like on the off chance they might be violent ? And your only recourse will be to post indirects on social media

I understand why you think confrontation can be necessary, standing up for yourself is one way of stopping bullying or disrespect and it's what most of us are taught as kids so we don't get pushed around at school. But not everyone responds to conflict in the same way. Different personalities handle different situations differently. Some people are non-confrontational by nature, and to them, the idea of confronting someone head-on is practically as unthinkable as you supporting Millwall tomorrow.

Some people are sensitive and prefer to have mediated solutions, or negotiate through other people, or wait until things have completely calmed down and everyone has moved on to later approach the issue. Some people were beaten or abused by a dominant adult in their childhood who gave them no confidence in their ability to handle confrontation, or maybe even had an overbearing parent who never let them handle anything on their own. 

Plus, confrontation can escalate the situation. Especially if you're dealing with someone you know to be hotheaded. Like I say, it can be a good way of solving problems, and it can often not be a good way. So it's easy to see why some people prefer others. 

Thats a fair point and well balanaced.

My point im trying to make more so is -

Bowyer criticism of JW (in the public realm) was fair and truthful.
I cant comment on what went on behind close doors.
I accept you make a good point maybe its to do with upbringing and personality types, but why did he them make indirects on social media

I think the problem is that the public criticism (justified or not) was part of a series of events or pattern of behaviour. 

For what its worth I do agree that going through the social media route probably didn't do much to improve or resolve the situation but given it was a reaction to what Bowyer had done its hard to hold it against Williams, personally.

Sillybilly said:

Seems to be two threads running. 

Just posted on the other one.  

Williams was a great disappointment. Proof that being a lovely guy just wasn’t enough. Flattered to deceive on so many levels. Loved him initially but it became evident that when he was not injured his sole contribution was to gain five yards and win a free kick. End product was awful. 

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Charlton_Stu said:

He's signing a 3 yr deal at Bradford.

Yep, apparently rejected European football at Hibs for a longer contract 

Ultimately at this stage of his career he has to go where he is paid most. At the end of they, my personal thpughts on him as a footballer aside and how he conducted himself i hope it works out for him.

So why didn't he sign for Wrexham or Gillingham who are offering more wages than us?

It's the second move in a row where he has picked a manager he wants to play for rather than a higher wage.

What ? He hasnt signed for us ? Im not talking about his previous move. Im talking specically this move to Bradford on a 3 year deal, which i assume is going to make him more money than a 1 or 2 year.

Also how do you know how much he is making compared to other deals ?

Another, reliable source, said Gillingham had offered a player considerably more than we had this summer, that's why it was relevant.