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  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,529
    lancashire lad said:
    BBC gossip reporting that Shelvey is available???
    We don’t have enough space in the car park for his caravan
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,198

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    edited July 2023
    Isaak Davies... Another Striker we're being linked with then

    Same height as Alfie May, 21-years old... Has three goals for Cardiff 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,629
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isaak Davies... Another Striker we're being linked with then

    Same height as Alfie May, 21-years old... Has three goals for Cardiff 
    Dare I say. I would expect Reams to be aware if this was the case.
  • Red_Chester
    Red_Chester Posts: 746
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isaak Davies... Another Striker we're being linked with then

    Same height as Alfie May, 21-years old... Has three goals for Cardiff 
    Looking at what a Cardiff fan says he’s more of a winger. Who is quick and at one stage Burnley wanted for 3m. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    fenaddick said:

    Davies has just signed a new contract, assume that any potential link to us would be a loan, probably more chance of minutes with us than at Cardiff without the pressure of having to play every week?

    It's not one I would get excited about.
  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,217
    killerandflash said:
    Sage said:
    Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless :lol: I’d love for us to sign…

    Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.

    Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.

    Then we can have a team looking like:

    Isted/AMB
    Ness Hector Jones
    Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
    Dack
    May Clarke-Harris

    AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn

    Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.

    This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.

    Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.

    Promotion here we come! :smiley:
    I don't like Dobson and Fraser as the midfield two, we need someone more dynamic than Fraser in that position
    I like Fraser, but he always looks like he's playing on his tiptoes to me.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,231
    limeygent said:
    killerandflash said:
    Sage said:
    Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless :lol: I’d love for us to sign…

    Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.

    Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.

    Then we can have a team looking like:

    Isted/AMB
    Ness Hector Jones
    Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
    Dack
    May Clarke-Harris

    AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn

    Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.

    This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.

    Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.

    Promotion here we come! :smiley:
    I don't like Dobson and Fraser as the midfield two, we need someone more dynamic than Fraser in that position
    I like Fraser, but he always looks like he's playing on his tiptoes to me.
    Been our best player by a mile in preseason
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,023
    Have we been linked to a single player in the last two years who wasn’t also linked to Oxford 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,812
    We need some power in the midfield, someone who can dish it out physically, and strong on the ball. Will help Dobson and Fraser out a lot 

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  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,217
    Rothko said:
    We need some power in the midfield, someone who can dish it out physically, and strong on the ball. Will help Dobson and Fraser out a lot 
    And to protect Leaburn.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,294
    Smithy said:
    Have we been linked to a single player in the last two years who wasn’t also linked to Oxford 
    Barnsley, Oxford, Charlton, Burton, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Derby. Teams expected to be in the mix come the end of the season according to most, so all you have to do as a journalist is scatter these clubs about for players, tailoring the club to the position according to their needs. None of it has to be true, just vaguely believable 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Rothko said:
    We need some power in the midfield, someone who can dish it out physically, and strong on the ball. Will help Dobson and Fraser out a lot 
    I am still not convinced that Dobson and Fraser together could be a part of a top 6 3.
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,023
    If Fraser is used properly I think he’d be good enough. He needs to be in a more advanced role as he becomes ineffective when he has to worry about defensive duties. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Smithy said:
    If Fraser is used properly I think he’d be good enough. He needs to be in a more advanced role as he becomes ineffective when he has to worry about defensive duties. 
    But that's not where he was successful at MK Dons and where he failed at Ipswich.
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,212
    Fraser is qualify, just a bit of luxury player, he needs better players around him and we’ll see how good he really is.  
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,023
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Smithy said:
    If Fraser is used properly I think he’d be good enough. He needs to be in a more advanced role as he becomes ineffective when he has to worry about defensive duties. 
    But that's not where he was successful at MK Dons and where he failed at Ipswich.
    From what I saw he was played in a more advanced role than we have played him? 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,812
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Rothko said:
    We need some power in the midfield, someone who can dish it out physically, and strong on the ball. Will help Dobson and Fraser out a lot 
    I am still not convinced that Dobson and Fraser together could be a part of a top 6 3.
    Think the third with them has been part of the problem (I do share your concern). Morgan was a Jack of all and a master of none, couldn’t mix it, and so we were over powered 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Smithy said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Smithy said:
    If Fraser is used properly I think he’d be good enough. He needs to be in a more advanced role as he becomes ineffective when he has to worry about defensive duties. 
    But that's not where he was successful at MK Dons and where he failed at Ipswich.
    From what I saw he was played in a more advanced role than we have played him? 
    Mk Dons played him on the left of a flat 3.  Ipswich tried him as a "10" then jogged him out to the left wing until they could get rid.

    We have played him as a "10" at times, under both Garner and Holden. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,362
    If we are gonna build a midfield and we can't get Dobson and Fraser to work together, I would pick Fraser any day of the week. 

    He's a victim of being surrounded by players not up to his technical ability, he was far more consistent in midfield than Dobson last season and even looked like his energy levels had risen, I feel like if you stick Dobbo in most sides he's gonna do a job cause he has a good engine and can put in a tackle. 

    When you look at Dobson though all of his highlights are recovering a players mistake or his own (barring the Ipswich goal of course and the nutmeg). Dobson needs to show more for me this season, needs to control that midfield more and be a proper anchor, right now he's not top 6 standard, Fraser looks more likely to drive us that way.

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  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,964
    Braziliance said:
    If we are gonna build a midfield and we can't get Dobson and Fraser to work together, I would pick Fraser any day of the week. 

    He's a victim of being surrounded by players not up to his technical ability, he was far more consistent in midfield than Dobson last season and even looked like his energy levels had risen, I feel like if you stick Dobbo in most sides he's gonna do a job cause he has a good engine and can put in a tackle. 

    When you look at Dobson though all of his highlights are recovering a players mistake or his own (barring the Ipswich goal of course and the nutmeg). Dobson needs to show more for me this season, needs to control that midfield more and be a proper anchor, right now he's not top 6 standard, Fraser looks more likely to drive us that way.
    Absolute rubbish. Fraser was nowhere near the performance level of Dobson last season.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,294
    Braziliance said:
    If we are gonna build a midfield and we can't get Dobson and Fraser to work together, I would pick Fraser any day of the week. 

    He's a victim of being surrounded by players not up to his technical ability, he was far more consistent in midfield than Dobson last season and even looked like his energy levels had risen, I feel like if you stick Dobbo in most sides he's gonna do a job cause he has a good engine and can put in a tackle. 

    When you look at Dobson though all of his highlights are recovering a players mistake or his own (barring the Ipswich goal of course and the nutmeg). Dobson needs to show more for me this season, needs to control that midfield more and be a proper anchor, right now he's not top 6 standard, Fraser looks more likely to drive us that way.
    Horseshit
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,646
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Rothko said:
    We need some power in the midfield, someone who can dish it out physically, and strong on the ball. Will help Dobson and Fraser out a lot 
    I am still not convinced that Dobson and Fraser together could be a part of a top 6 3.
    This.

    They played together last season & we finished mid table. Yes, we have got rid of Morgan but current Henry is taking his place who (imo) is even worse. 

    Really need to beef up our midfield, esp if we are going to play 3-5-2.


  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,295
    He will probably have championship interest but I think Anfernee Dijksteel will be on the move this summer. Would fit in at RWB or RCB in our 3-5-2
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,758
    I am absolutely sure that if you stick a fit Camara into that midfield, they’re comfortably a top 6 trio in this league one. They have everything between them: Energy, tenacity, skill, passing, some goals and tackling. If we can find two fit, fast, footballing wing backs to play either side and a partner for May (Leaburn isn’t fit for the start of the season), we will definitely be top 6 going forward.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,737
    edited July 2023
    RC_CAFC said:
    I am absolutely sure that if you stick a fit Camara into that midfield, they’re comfortably a top 6 trio in this league one. They have everything between them: Energy, tenacity, skill, passing, some goals and tackling. If we can find two fit, fast, footballing wing backs to play either side and a partner for May (Leaburn isn’t fit for the start of the season), we will definitely be top 6 going forward.
    I would agree with that. I think Dack would be a good signing and we could even play him instead of the extra striker. We do need some striking cover though.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,362
    @sam3110 @bolloxbolder

    They play different roles, but Fraser is better at what he does than Dobson does. 

    If we are talking energy and as a defensive minded midfielder then there is no contest, but when you look at other midfielders qualities (which are imperative) such as ball control, awareness, carrying the ball, passing range, attacking influence, footballer IQ, then there is no contest. 

    Stats don't tell the whole story but they can give an insight, to say Fraser is nowhere near Dobson's performance levels is a very dramatic comment 


  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,737
    edited July 2023
    I think Dobson and Fraser compliment each other because they offer totally different things. The key is that third midfielder has to be much better than Morgan.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,294
    So you admit they play different roles, then try to compare the two. 

    For parts of last season Fraser was shit, and Dobson was still dragging the team through. Fraser is a luxury player and, let's be honest here, easily replaced by many decent ball playing midfielders that aren't the most mobile. 

    Dobson is a lot harder to replace, the bloke has one of the highest tackle/block success rates in the whole of the football league, and has that thing no statsheet will tell you, natural leadership.

    Dobson is more influential to the team overall and the way we play, and therefore more important. 
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,212
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I think Dobson and Fraser compliment each other because they offer totally different things. The key is that third midfielder has to be much better than Morgan.
    Precisely this.  If we had a Josh Cullen type in there with them we’d be so much better.  

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