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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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Fraser should be better this season now we actually have a striker that likes to run in behind rather than lumps like Leaburn, Stockley, Chucks etc6
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sam3110 said:Braziliance said:If we are gonna build a midfield and we can't get Dobson and Fraser to work together, I would pick Fraser any day of the week.
He's a victim of being surrounded by players not up to his technical ability, he was far more consistent in midfield than Dobson last season and even looked like his energy levels had risen, I feel like if you stick Dobbo in most sides he's gonna do a job cause he has a good engine and can put in a tackle.
When you look at Dobson though all of his highlights are recovering a players mistake or his own (barring the Ipswich goal of course and the nutmeg). Dobson needs to show more for me this season, needs to control that midfield more and be a proper anchor, right now he's not top 6 standard, Fraser looks more likely to drive us that way.
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Holden should use fraser how Carsley uses Angel Gomes for the Young Lions0
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Idk, I think a midfield two of Dobson and Fraser worked better last season than a three of them plus one other did, on the whole. (This largely because that one other was usually ineffective, but also because in a two Fraser was forced to work and Dobson was forced to make play)0
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sam3110 said:So you admit they play different roles, then try to compare the two.
For parts of last season Fraser was shit, and Dobson was still dragging the team through. Fraser is a luxury player and, let's be honest here, easily replaced by many decent ball playing midfielders that aren't the most mobile.
Dobson is a lot harder to replace, the bloke has one of the highest tackle/block success rates in the whole of the football league, and has that thing no statsheet will tell you, natural leadership.
Dobson is more influential to the team overall and the way we play, and therefore more important.
Fraser is the same but the other way around. If we're in possession and he has the ball, he's by far the most likely to do something useful. But if the other team have all the ball, he's basically a passenger.
Bit ultimately neither is enough ON THEIR OWN. And for whatever reason as a two they do not seem to have clicked either but that's due to the flaws in both, not either one carrying the other.
You could replace either or both with a more "generic" box to box type and probably the result would be the same. Or better yet, complement BOTH of them with a player like Gilbey was supposed to be but never managed to become.3 -
sam3110 said:So you admit they play different roles, then try to compare the two.
For parts of last season Fraser was shit, and Dobson was still dragging the team through. Fraser is a luxury player and, let's be honest here, easily replaced by many decent ball playing midfielders that aren't the most mobile.
Dobson is a lot harder to replace, the bloke has one of the highest tackle/block success rates in the whole of the football league, and has that thing no statsheet will tell you, natural leadership.
Dobson is more influential to the team overall and the way we play, and therefore more important.0 -
Any actual rumours?13
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sam3110 said:So you admit they play different roles, then try to compare the two.
For parts of last season Fraser was shit, and Dobson was still dragging the team through. Fraser is a luxury player and, let's be honest here, easily replaced by many decent ball playing midfielders that aren't the most mobile.
Dobson is a lot harder to replace, the bloke has one of the highest tackle/block success rates in the whole of the football league, and has that thing no statsheet will tell you, natural leadership.
Dobson is more influential to the team overall and the way we play, and therefore more important.
They play different roles yes as they both excel in one area more than the other, I don't believe both can exist on the same pitch (if our target is autos) as midfield is one of our weaker areas, in a situation where one has to go, I am picking Fraser to stay as I think he is harder to replace than Dobson.
Fraser was far from shit and I'd argue Fraser had more influence based on the fact he contributes more to our goals. As for leadership I don't think Dobson has that quality, he's a team player and a fans favourite because he's a 100%er but I don't see him organising us on the pitch and being as vocal as previous captains such as Pearce and Jackson, he just doesn't strike me as that character, which is why I said I'd like to see more from him this season.
So in a nutshell, yes I've compared two midfielders and I think one is better than the other1 -
I would echo what somebody said already….play a decent player alongside the pair of them and they will work! The quality of player alongside them has been awful.2
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Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!18 -
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DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!4 -
cafc_se7 said:I would echo what somebody said already….play a decent player alongside the pair of them and they will work! The quality of player alongside them has been awful.0
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If we brought in Camara and Dack, or something similar, I think it would work in reinforcing the midfield and give us options with games and covering injuries. For example, we have no Leaburn at the start of the season so we could play Dack and Fraser in front of Camara and Dobson with May up front. That is quality for League One. But also, we have an extra player if one of Camara, Dack and Fraser is injured down the line. I'd keep McGrandles as cover for Dobbo.
The thing is, we need a side that can beat the best teams in the league but also a side that can beat the lesser teams. We ended last season with a team largely capable of that. The side that can do that can be a bit weaker than our best side. Payne can do a job off the bench or even cover effectively in the games against the lesser sides.0 -
Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!2 -
I think we need a couple of marquee signings and midfield is the obvious place we need them in. We are a bit exposed attacking wise but getting a marquee signing there may be a bit expensive so a young loanee may be the best we can do. May was a great signing.2
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ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price1 -
MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price13 -
DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price0 -
We do love ex-players…apparently dijksteel is available for loan from Boro.0
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DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price4 -
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Leuth said:Idk, I think a midfield two of Dobson and Fraser worked better last season than a three of them plus one other did, on the whole. (This largely because that one other was usually ineffective, but also because in a two Fraser was forced to work and Dobson was forced to make play)
I'll be quite clear that I don't think either of them are the problem, I just don't think both of them are the solution either.
IMO you need to build your midfield around Fraser to get you most bang for your buck out of him. He isn't good enough to warrant buying two other midfielders to do that.
If you had a really good team you wouldn't need Dobson in it.
I would honestly have 2 more CM really high on my "need" list.
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Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!1 -
mendonca said:DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price5 -
Cafc43v3r said:Leuth said:Idk, I think a midfield two of Dobson and Fraser worked better last season than a three of them plus one other did, on the whole. (This largely because that one other was usually ineffective, but also because in a two Fraser was forced to work and Dobson was forced to make play)
I'll be quite clear that I don't think either of them are the problem, I just don't think both of them are the solution either.
IMO you need to build your midfield around Fraser to get you most bang for your buck out of him. He isn't good enough to warrant buying two other midfielders to do that.
If you had a really good team you wouldn't need Dobson in it.
I would honestly have 2 more CM really high on my "need" list.
Fraser just needs to be more consistent. So many times last season he had 5 games where he was brilliant then went missing for the next 53 -
DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price2 -
cafcfan1990 said:mendonca said:DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price1 -
Addick_8 said:DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price1 -
Would be very happy to see sess come back but honestly think we should be looking to play him at RWB instead of LWB. Feel he would be twice the player than the one we have seen.6
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DubaiCAFC said:Addick_8 said:DubaiCAFC said:MarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:Rudders22 said:DubaiCAFC said:Sage said:Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless
I’d love for us to sign…
Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.
Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.
Then we can have a team looking like:
Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris
AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn
Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.
This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.
Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.
Promotion here we come!
I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price0 -
Also Reams has said that we are in advanced talks with Sam Smith.7