Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446

sam3110 said:

Braziliance said:

If we are gonna build a midfield and we can't get Dobson and Fraser to work together, I would pick Fraser any day of the week. 

He's a victim of being surrounded by players not up to his technical ability, he was far more consistent in midfield than Dobson last season and even looked like his energy levels had risen, I feel like if you stick Dobbo in most sides he's gonna do a job cause he has a good engine and can put in a tackle. 

When you look at Dobson though all of his highlights are recovering a players mistake or his own (barring the Ipswich goal of course and the nutmeg). Dobson needs to show more for me this season, needs to control that midfield more and be a proper anchor, right now he's not top 6 standard, Fraser looks more likely to drive us that way.

Horseshit

What a stupid reaction. It's a well-reasoned argument. You might not agree, but there's no denying that a midfield two of Dobson and Fraser hasn't worked all that well. I think Fraser could operate in a team pushing for promotion but you won't find a top team with a player like Dobson as a key player. It might be that Holden finds a way, and I hope he does, but it's more likely we're going to have to find a third midfielder to play alongside Dobson with Fraser pushed up so that the two don't have to work together too much, but they'll have to be a hell of a player. You offer nothing to the conversation by just being an arse.

sam3110 said:

So you admit they play different roles, then try to compare the two. 

For parts of last season Fraser was shit, and Dobson was still dragging the team through. Fraser is a luxury player and, let's be honest here, easily replaced by many decent ball playing midfielders that aren't the most mobile. 

Dobson is a lot harder to replace, the bloke has one of the highest tackle/block success rates in the whole of the football league, and has that thing no statsheet will tell you, natural leadership.

Dobson is more influential to the team overall and the way we play, and therefore more important. 

You can compare two different player types by their contribution to the team.  

sam3110 said:

So you admit they play different roles, then try to compare the two. 

For parts of last season Fraser was shit, and Dobson was still dragging the team through. Fraser is a luxury player and, let's be honest here, easily replaced by many decent ball playing midfielders that aren't the most mobile. 

Dobson is a lot harder to replace, the bloke has one of the highest tackle/block success rates in the whole of the football league, and has that thing no statsheet will tell you, natural leadership.

Dobson is more influential to the team overall and the way we play, and therefore more important. 

My original post said, if I had to pick one to stay it would be Fraser, I then outlined exactly why I prefer Fraser and think we have more potential as a team with Fraser over Dobbo. 

They play different roles yes as they both excel in one area more than the other, I don't believe both can exist on the same pitch (if our target is autos) as midfield is one of our weaker areas, in a situation where one has to go, I am picking Fraser to stay as I think he is harder to replace than Dobson. 

Fraser was far from shit and I'd argue Fraser had more influence based on the fact he contributes more to our goals. As for leadership I don't think Dobson has that quality, he's a team player and a fans favourite because he's a 100%er but I don't see him organising us on the pitch and being as vocal as previous captains such as Pearce and Jackson, he just doesn't strike me as that character, which is why I said I'd like to see more from him this season. 

So in a nutshell, yes I've compared two midfielders and I think one is better than the other

Rudders22 said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Sage said:

Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless  I’d love for us to sign…

Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.

Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.

Then we can have a team looking like:

Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris

AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn

Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.

This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.

Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.

Promotion here we come!

Would say 3 out of the 5 could be in a Charlton shirt next year.

Edun, Camara and Dack?

Sessegnon rather than Dack perhaps?

ForeverAddickted said:

Rudders22 said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Sage said:

Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless  I’d love for us to sign…

Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.

Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.

Then we can have a team looking like:

Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris

AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn

Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.

This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.

Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.

Promotion here we come!

Would say 3 out of the 5 could be in a Charlton shirt next year.

Edun, Camara and Dack?

Sessegnon rather than Dack perhaps?

I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price 

DubaiCAFC said:

MarcusH26 said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Rudders22 said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Sage said:

Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless  I’d love for us to sign…

Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.

Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.

Then we can have a team looking like:

Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris

AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn

Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.

This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.

Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.

Promotion here we come!

Would say 3 out of the 5 could be in a Charlton shirt next year.

Edun, Camara and Dack?

Sessegnon rather than Dack perhaps?

I'd be more than happy if we got Sess,Edun and Camara. Striker I'm not sure what to expect really bar it not being JCH because MacAnthony will be demanding a daft price 

Think you can think one off that list tomorrow.. maybe one other tomorrow as well. But let’s see. Name has been mentioned on here, personally I am not sure he would be a good signing, but is linked with the Championship move, so let’s see

Presumably that’s Camará with the Wednesday link 

Rudders22 said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Sage said:

Despite being wholly unrealistic and potentially very pointless  I’d love for us to sign…

Sessegnon, Edun, Camara, Dack, and Clarke-Harris plus another 3 very good loan players with one or two being top youngsters from the Premier League.

Then we can sell Kirk and DJ, maybe McGrandles. Loan out Chin, Kanu, and maybe Henry for 6 months.

Then we can have a team looking like:

Isted/AMB
Ness Hector Jones
Egbo Dobson Fraser Edun
Dack
May Clarke-Harris

AMB/Isted, Sessegnon, Thomas, Camara, Payne, CBT, Leaburn

Elewere, Mitchell, Asiimwe, Campbell, Aneke all pushing for the squad/fitness.

This is also still without the 3 top loan players too.

Guaranteed goals with May and Clarke-Harris, and Dack and Fraser behind. Got pace out wide and off the bench with CBT, and more goals from the bench with Leaburn.

Promotion here we come!

Would say 3 out of the 5 could be in a Charlton shirt next year.

Edun, Camara and Dack?

Hector, Ness and May.

Cafc43v3r said:

Leuth said:

Idk, I think a midfield two of Dobson and Fraser worked better last season than a three of them plus one other did, on the whole. (This largely because that one other was usually ineffective, but also because in a two Fraser was forced to work and Dobson was forced to make play) 

They played together in a 442 and didn't pull up trees last season, certainly not enough to make you think "top 6".  Sometimes they were good, sometimes times they were bad.

I'll be quite clear that I don't think either of them are the problem, I just don't think both of them are the solution either.

IMO you need to build your midfield around Fraser to get you most bang for your buck out of him.  He isn't good enough to warrant buying two other midfielders to do that.

If you had a really good team you wouldn't need Dobson in it.

I would honestly have 2 more CM really high on my "need" list.

Pretty sure that 4-4-2 run was our best run of the season. Fraser and Dobson both played very well in it. Problem was Leaburn got injured so we had to play Kirk up front or change back to 4-3-3

Fraser just needs to be more consistent. So many times last season he had 5 games where he was brilliant then went missing for the next 5 

Would be very happy to see sess come back but honestly think we should be looking to play him at RWB instead of LWB. Feel he would be twice the player than the one we have seen. 

Also Reams has said that we are in advanced talks with Sam Smith.