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Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446
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Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I'm all out of patience and I'm not interested in excuses.
Put up or shut up, the clock is tickingAnd I think we need to be realistic that their may be situations with some of the ‘deadwood’ where we end up paying part of their wages still given none of them have increased in stock since being with us.I can see a lot of frustration being focus on the new ownership when in reality it’s not their mistakes that causes the problems we are facing now.Let’s judge them on what they do… which so far, has been positive.. but lots more to do18 -
DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Would we be in breach of FFP does anyone know?
I'm not saying that's what the owners should do as it's a lot of money, just a hypothetical. It's certainly something I would do if I had the money and owned the club.
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Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Would we be in breach of FFP does anyone know?
I'm not saying that's what the owners should do as it's a lot of money, just a hypothetical. It's certainly something I would do if I had the money and owned the club.
They know they need to strength, they know the positions, they have the money, and the players we are looking at, are not cheap options.
It is about getting the right players in, on the right deals for the club!2 -
CRAZYCHAIR said:Chelsea season ticket holder that i know mentioned the a young left back called Lewis Hall is being touted on the fans site as a possible for us to be interested in loaning.
Newcastle have just bid £30mil lol
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Sambcafc said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I'm all out of patience and I'm not interested in excuses.
Put up or shut up, the clock is tickingAnd I think we need to be realistic that their may be situations with some of the ‘deadwood’ where we end up paying part of their wages still given none of them have increased in stock since being with us.I can see a lot of frustration being focus on the new ownership when in reality it’s not their mistakes that causes the problems we are facing now.Let’s judge them on what they do… which so far, has been positive.. but lots more to do
But we have had 15 years of giving owners time to get things right and I grow weary and annoyed when the pre-emptive excuses start appearing for why it may not happen this window.
Bully for you if you are young and well adjusted enough to be philosophical or indeed practical enough to give them whatever time you think they need.
I'm not.4 -
DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Forster-Caskey
O’Connell
MacGillivray
Stockley
Clare
Inniss
Morgan
Wollacott
Egbo
Lavelle
Gilbey
Harness
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shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Forster-Caskey
O’Connell
MacGillivray
Stockley
Clare
Inniss
Morgan
Wollacott
Egbo
Lavelle
Gilbey
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DubaiCAFC said:shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Forster-Caskey
O’Connell
MacGillivray
Stockley
Clare
Inniss
Morgan
Wollacott
Egbo
Lavelle
Gilbey
If those out cover the 6 that have come in so far, then that’s good for the account sheet.1 -
shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Forster-Caskey
O’Connell
MacGillivray
Stockley
Clare
Inniss
Morgan
Wollacott
Egbo
Lavelle
Gilbey
If those out cover the 6 that have come in so far, then that’s good for the account sheet.3 -
DubaiCAFC said:shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Forster-Caskey
O’Connell
MacGillivray
Stockley
Clare
Inniss
Morgan
Wollacott
Egbo
Lavelle
Gilbey
If those out cover the 6 that have come in so far, then that’s good for the account sheet.1 -
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It's interesting that we haven't announced the signing of the Chelsea keeper.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but could it be that they want to announce a pretty low key signing along with a more high profile signing at the same time?
I'm pretty sure if we did the whole 'new signing' tease on social media for the new keeper the replies from the idiots would be less than encouraging.2 -
I think the Chelsea keeper is primarily a U21 signing so I don't expect much fanfare at all.4
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MarcusH26 said:I think the Chelsea keeper is primarily a U21 signing so I don't expect much fanfare at all.0
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RonnieMoore said:LargeAddick said:MarcusH26 said:I expect it to be a younger striker that has some resale value , as opposed to a JCH. Whether that ends up being Nombe or not I'm not sure.
Feels like the signings bar May are trending towards younger players that could get us promoted and then still be good enough to step up.0 -
Scoham said:MarcusH26 said:I think the Chelsea keeper is primarily a U21 signing so I don't expect much fanfare at all.
Yeah I can see the media team not wanting to announce it because there will be the usual " that's not a striker " comments all over any announcement of any other player.1 -
Scoham said:killerandflash said:Nombe might be younger than JCH, but is he as good?
Just worrying about resale value is pointless, if they're not actually that good in the first place. Kirk, Lavelle, DJ etc were meant to be our future stars...
Was it Nombe or May tho. I reckon Nombe was on A list, the offer got rejected then we went for May...0 -
Redhenry said:Scoham said:killerandflash said:Nombe might be younger than JCH, but is he as good?
Just worrying about resale value is pointless, if they're not actually that good in the first place. Kirk, Lavelle, DJ etc were meant to be our future stars...
Was it Nombe or May tho. I reckon Nombe was on A list, the offer got rejected then we went for May...0 -
A right winger is essential1
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Codfishjunior said:A right winger is essentialIt doesn’t make sense to go for a top right winger when we won’t be using him much, would much rather use more budget on a centre back, wing back, centre mid or striker0
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NabySarr said:Codfishjunior said:A right winger is essentialIt doesn’t make sense to go for a top right winger when we won’t be using him much, would much rather use more budget on a centre back, wing back, centre mid or striker
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Winger would be low on my list , we have CBT , Campbell when fit and currently Kirk but I don't think we'll play with wingers very often.
Would rather properly go after a creative CM/AM2 -
Redhenry said:Redhenry said:Scoham said:killerandflash said:Nombe might be younger than JCH, but is he as good?
Just worrying about resale value is pointless, if they're not actually that good in the first place. Kirk, Lavelle, DJ etc were meant to be our future stars...
Was it Nombe or May tho. I reckon Nombe was on A list, the offer got rejected then we went for May...0 -
DubaiCAFC said:Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Would we be in breach of FFP does anyone know?
I'm not saying that's what the owners should do as it's a lot of money, just a hypothetical. It's certainly something I would do if I had the money and owned the club.
They know they need to strength, they know the positions, they have the money, and the players we are looking at, are not cheap options.
It is about getting the right players in, on the right deals for the club!
In that example we could pay Kirk his wage for the remainder of his contract as an example and then he's off the books and we have no ties to him. I suppose as you said, it's down to the contract.
Have any teams actually been promoted from this league in recent years without breaking ffp? Surely Ipswich, Wigan, Blackburn and Sheffield Wednesday were all over spending based on their squads?
I don't know enough about Plymouth, Blackpool, Barnsley etc to know if they went up with the books balanced.0 -
Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Would we be in breach of FFP does anyone know?
I'm not saying that's what the owners should do as it's a lot of money, just a hypothetical. It's certainly something I would do if I had the money and owned the club.
They know they need to strength, they know the positions, they have the money, and the players we are looking at, are not cheap options.
It is about getting the right players in, on the right deals for the club!
In that example we could pay Kirk his wage for the remainder of his contract as an example and then he's off the books and we have no ties to him. I suppose as you said, it's down to the contract.
Have any teams actually been promoted from this league in recent years without breaking ffp? Surely Ipswich, Wigan, Blackburn and Sheffield Wednesday were all over spending based on their squads?
I don't know enough about Plymouth, Blackpool, Barnsley etc to know if they went up with the books balanced.Ipswich and Wigan probably did spend more than 60% of turnover on wages (Ipswich because they spent so much and Wigan because their turnover will have been lower than those clubs) so their owners would have injected equity into the club to cover this.Also worth noting that if you sell a player for a fee then that can also be used above the limit, so if any of those clubs sold a player for a few million that would have helped stay within the rules1 -
NabySarr said:Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Would we be in breach of FFP does anyone know?
I'm not saying that's what the owners should do as it's a lot of money, just a hypothetical. It's certainly something I would do if I had the money and owned the club.
They know they need to strength, they know the positions, they have the money, and the players we are looking at, are not cheap options.
It is about getting the right players in, on the right deals for the club!
In that example we could pay Kirk his wage for the remainder of his contract as an example and then he's off the books and we have no ties to him. I suppose as you said, it's down to the contract.
Have any teams actually been promoted from this league in recent years without breaking ffp? Surely Ipswich, Wigan, Blackburn and Sheffield Wednesday were all over spending based on their squads?
I don't know enough about Plymouth, Blackpool, Barnsley etc to know if they went up with the books balanced.Ipswich and Wigan probably did spend more than 60% of turnover on wages (Ipswich because they spent so much and Wigan because their turnover will have been lower than those clubs) so their owners would have injected equity into the club to cover this.Also worth noting that if you sell a player for a fee then that can also be used above the limit, so if any of those clubs sold a player for a few million that would have helped stay within the rules1 -
PragueAddick said:NabySarr said:Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:Braziliance said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Would we be in breach of FFP does anyone know?
I'm not saying that's what the owners should do as it's a lot of money, just a hypothetical. It's certainly something I would do if I had the money and owned the club.
They know they need to strength, they know the positions, they have the money, and the players we are looking at, are not cheap options.
It is about getting the right players in, on the right deals for the club!
In that example we could pay Kirk his wage for the remainder of his contract as an example and then he's off the books and we have no ties to him. I suppose as you said, it's down to the contract.
Have any teams actually been promoted from this league in recent years without breaking ffp? Surely Ipswich, Wigan, Blackburn and Sheffield Wednesday were all over spending based on their squads?
I don't know enough about Plymouth, Blackpool, Barnsley etc to know if they went up with the books balanced.Ipswich and Wigan probably did spend more than 60% of turnover on wages (Ipswich because they spent so much and Wigan because their turnover will have been lower than those clubs) so their owners would have injected equity into the club to cover this.Also worth noting that if you sell a player for a fee then that can also be used above the limit, so if any of those clubs sold a player for a few million that would have helped stay within the rulesYes, the Championship, League One and League Two all provide some form of parachute payments to the sides that are relegated. The Championship will provide teams that are relegated from England’s second league with 11.1% of the Basic Award payment that is given to Championship club for a single season.League One provides clubs that are relegated from England’s third league with 12.6% of the Basic Award to League One sides for a single season. League Two provides 100% of the Basic Award for the first year following relegation and 50% in the second year.
I've seen the above quoted on a number of websites @PragueAddick not sure how reliable it is though2 -
When Alfie May was the only new player fit to play from day 1 ( others did but short of required levels) and with no Leaburn to play as his partner I'm surprised that Charlton fan/critics now sound shocked by our indifferent start.
How were we going to hit the ground running when we were so undercooked and made worse with the injuries to Campbell and especially Fraser who I was hoping for big things with his link up play with Alfie.
So pleased with Edun but shame that he is still getting up to speed with stamina.
The cramping issues is a major concern as it cost Cafc the match against Rovers.5 -
soapboxsam said:When Alfie May was the only new player fit to play from day 1 ( others did but short of required levels) and with no Leaburn to play as his partner I'm surprised that Charlton fan/critics now sound shocked by our indifferent start.
How were we going to hit the ground running when we were so undercooked and made worse with the injuries to Campbell and especially Fraser who I was hoping for big things with his link up play with Alfie.
So pleased with Edun but shame that he is still getting up to speed with stamina.
The cramping issues is a major concern as it cost Cafc the match against Rovers.4 -
The main concern I have is the narrative around FFP that certain "ITK" community members are potentially being fed. In the absence of actual numbers and independent scrutiny, we can choose to believe it or not.
I have no doubt that the current wage bill of the first team playing squad is likely very (and comparatively) high for a L1 team. We are currently paying for the poor decisions in the past of bringing back Aneke on a long deal (insane), plus we have a significant amount a dead wood (Kirk, Jaiyesimi and arguably both McGrandles and Payne). All of them represent large expense for players you couldn't have/wouldn't want in a starting 11 for a playoff-seeking side. I would also think that the players that have come in (all of whom I've been happy to see join) are also on a decent wage. This would seem to be the predominant challenge here from an outside perspective, but that's only because we cannot see figures and conclusions are made from assumptions.
I have no idea (and choose not to delve into it on a Friday) whether such options as buying out Aneke's contract or offering players out on the cheap would allow us to have the financial capacity to bring in players that, anyone who has watched out first 3 league games, could see we needed. I still think that we need, in an ideal world, not just 1 striker to be able to play alongside May, but two. We'll need cover at RWB (which seems to be in flight) and probably another midfielder that is box-to-box/creative to play with or for Fraser/Camara. We need starter and backup in every position and we're very short on both if you discount the dead wood I mentioned earlier.
The FFP could be a real and present danger that we face if we spend too much, or it could be smoke and mirrors. All I can comment as a fan is that, whilst we can recover the results so far, we are giving the better sides a decent head start. It's not my money and I'm biased, but trying to look at things as subjectively as I can, we have enough, with adding some quality, of challenging for playoffs in the eyes of neutrals and with the struggles of Wigan and Reading, there's opportunity this season. By not grasping the opportunity this season, there's the odds that big spenders from L2 come up next season and that another large(r) team may drop from the Championship. Additionally, a number of our first-teamers could be looking at moves away in the summer if we don't challenge again this season. Plenty of risk involved by being too cautious this window.
I have no doubt that, operationally, we're doing what we can to bring in who we can, but I'm hoping that we can still sign the targets we want. This window is the one to invest and back Holden in, if any. Otherwise, we risk another stodgy, turgid mid-table season yet again, where we end up rolling out for the last two months and playing for nothing yet again. It cannot be over-emphasised how important this window is.16 -
shirty5 said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Dubai mentioned FFP on here, Reams has now mentioned ‘risk of embargo’ on the other forum. I hope I’m wrong but it does feel like we are starting to hear the excuses already. And we can assume that it’s a message that’s probably come from the owners if it’s those 2 both saying it. Again I really hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look great and for me it’s not a good enough excuse when they did due diligence so knew the situation they were walking into.I might be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Because it does seem silly that they would overpay for the club and then not back it properly in the first summer, so hopefully just a coincidence that both posters have mentioned it recently
They will not risk any FFP buying throwing heaps of cash at it, there is money to spend, but it has to be right.
It will not be the Ipswich and Wigan method, which has been said right from the start. By the time of the end of the window, I believe will we have a good squad in place.
Forster-Caskey
O’Connell
MacGillivray
Stockley
Clare
Inniss
Morgan
Wollacott
Egbo
Lavelle
Gilbey
Harness
I'd be amazed if JFC / MacG / Stockley / Clare / Wollacott / Gilbey in particular were 'cheap'. All of them either came from higher divisions, joined from our competition, or had been voted poty and rejected contract offers elsewhere.
incomings...
Isted / Edun / Hector / Jones / Taylor / Camara (loan) / May
So we're we're 14 out and 7 in so far, from what was already an 'undercooked' and 'top 12' budget.
Not denying that the likes of Kirk / Aneke / McGrandles are clogging up wages, but how lean are we really expected to be?
AMB / Asiimwe / Ness / Anderson / Leaburn / Campbell - as recent graduates are all cheap by league 1 standards and will seemingly all play important squad roles this season.
The idea that we already need to shift more players on to bring others in is a little concerning, because it either means we're paying these new recruits massive league 1 salaries, or our budget isn't that big...11