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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142

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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    PragueAddick said:
    IdleHans said:
    PragueAddick said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    At this moment,no one has confirmed officially that George has gone.Is it possible that Nathan has somehow intervened ,seen his value and is over riding Scott and trying to get him to stay.
    I was going to say, “wishful thinking”, but you make a good point. Technically it is possible. The well informed Hungarian media are saying he flies out tomorrow for a medical and then -only then- signs a contract with them. 

    But given that both Rich and Louie have tweeted out that he is off, it would be a pretty massive series of events today to make it happen. I could imagine Jones is furious, not least at being forced to lie to us in his first post-match, but I think it would involve Methven throwing Scott under the bus, and also messing up his  P&L spreadsheet to create the new offer to Dobbo. 

    But you are right, WIOTOS, much as I hate to use that old trope.
    Easy solution. Bin off Scott and add his wages to Dobbos contract.
    I was going to suggest that myself :) the snag though is that we would then need to recruit a new person to do the job that Steve Gallen did pretty well (given the multiple shitshows above him). And Methven would have to explain this new change to the Yanks.
    Shouldn’t be hard to explain. The season has been a car crash, the players aren’t good enough, he’s sold two of our best and not replaced them, we’re on our third manager in six months and in a relegation fight. 
  • MrScientist
    MrScientist Posts: 74
    When you put it like that! 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Leuth said:
    Ben18 said:
    Those happy that Dobson is leaving because we've not been very good while he's been here.

    They must have been delighted when Conor Gallagher was recalled in the Championship?
    Not even slightly comparable players. Gallagher was Dobson, but he was also our creator and our goal threat. He WAS our team. The one time in recent history that a Hero Player really has carried us 

    Of course they are not comparable in quality but their importance to the side at the time.
    Agree with the fact that George was the heart beat and this is a terrible time to lose him when we should be fighting to stay up.

  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,822
    billysboots said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Vjacheslav said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Vjacheslav said:
    The deal is done between the clubs.
    Hi @Vjacheslav

    Have you got concrete news from the club that he is now moving in this window to you? I ask because Gaby, an always reliable  Hungarian source , wrote this to me last week

    https://x.com/djgabyg/status/1754573719547060645?s=61&t=oKpEK5xuwukoPQ-YsizesQ

    1st July, reflecting the talk of a pre-contract. Now there are two people on here saying he has gone now. That should mean that a fee has been paid. Are Fehervar that anxious to get him that they would pay a fee to get him now? Maybe, but if I were you, I would not assume it based on those two posts. 

    I think we’d all appreciate it if you can post direct links about this from either the club or reliable HU media. Don’t worry about the language, we can all use Google Translate. 
    https://www.nemzetisport.hu/labdarugo-nb-i/2024/02/fehervar-hetfon-erkezhet-az-arsenalban-nevelkedett-londoni-kozeppalyas-ns-info

    Thanks a lot, @Vjacheslav

    well that’s it then, he’s off. Going there Monday for medical and will sign a  contract if the medical is Ok. Which  it will be, as the report says he has been “left out” of the team. So we’ve been lied to, on top of everything else. 

    Refers to a scout with links to Brentford as having tipped them off about Dobbo. 

    I see that you had a much better awayday than we did @Vjacheslav. 😉

    Keep us posted about Dobbo, through the season. I have my doubts that he will be successful but I certainly wish him well. Whatever people’s opinions about his technical ability, you won’t find many who disagree that he was a model professional who gave 110% every week and seemed like a good bloke all round and role model for kids. 

    Our club now has some questions to answer….


    And they will spin it

    They made him a fantastic offer and then increased it , but he was determined to leave. We couldn’t have done anything else. His mind was made up. 


    I’m surprised the Master of Whisperers hasn’t put his network to work already
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,832
    blackpool72 said:
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    How about about putting your club, team mates and supporters before you yourself. Dobson doesn't have to leave before the end of the season he is choosing to in the same way that Lyle Taylor made a choice not to play. His mind was made two months ago at the same time as his performance starting to decline. At the time we needed our captain to step up he is choosing to walk away. It is a choice - he does not have to leave. He can stay, go at the end of the season. 
    That's a very strange take on things  
    I have skipped about 15 pages But he hasn’t refused to play has he ? 

    I thought he had signed a pre-contract with a foreign club as per the rules for players whose contracts are coming to an end. 

    It is Charlton not playing him and trying to get him out before end of season is it not ? 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,822
    He’s not signed a pre contract, apparently he has been / is being sold. The window is still open there 
  • kentred2
    kentred2 Posts: 2,334
    The Red Robin said:
    PragueAddick said:
    IdleHans said:
    PragueAddick said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    At this moment,no one has confirmed officially that George has gone.Is it possible that Nathan has somehow intervened ,seen his value and is over riding Scott and trying to get him to stay.
    I was going to say, “wishful thinking”, but you make a good point. Technically it is possible. The well informed Hungarian media are saying he flies out tomorrow for a medical and then -only then- signs a contract with them. 

    But given that both Rich and Louie have tweeted out that he is off, it would be a pretty massive series of events today to make it happen. I could imagine Jones is furious, not least at being forced to lie to us in his first post-match, but I think it would involve Methven throwing Scott under the bus, and also messing up his  P&L spreadsheet to create the new offer to Dobbo. 

    But you are right, WIOTOS, much as I hate to use that old trope.
    Easy solution. Bin off Scott and add his wages to Dobbos contract.
    I was going to suggest that myself :) the snag though is that we would then need to recruit a new person to do the job that Steve Gallen did pretty well (given the multiple shitshows above him). And Methven would have to explain this new change to the Yanks.
    Shouldn’t be hard to explain. The season has been a car crash, the players aren’t good enough, he’s sold two of our best and not replaced them, we’re on our third manager in six months and in a relegation fight. 
    We’ve had better seasons. 
  • nelsonsleftfoot
    nelsonsleftfoot Posts: 308
    Banished to the U21's? You lot make it sound like he has been sent to a Gulag. It's hardly surprising that you wouldn't want a player who isn't going to play for the club again being involved with the first team. It's normal. That's what happens.  Dobson the victim, the club at fault. I am not buying it. I have read comments on here about 'you cant't blame him' 'respect him for putting his family first ' etc etc... utter nonsense. Bloke should see it through. I would respect him if he stayed. I am in the minority clearly but I believe strongly with captaincy comes responsibility, the responsibility that he is abdicating. He wants to go to Hungry. He doesn't want to play for Charlton. That's it. It really comes done to that. 
  • robinofottershaw
    robinofottershaw Posts: 1,921
    edited February 2024
    Just feels like Charlton might end up regretting not doing more to try to retain Dobson.

    Yes, he might possibly be only an average league 1 level player (although Curbs doesn't seem to think that) and unlikely to be able to step up to the Championship. However, how many of our current squad are even hitting the dizzy heights of an average league 1 player and the Championship seems far too far away to be even thinking about.

    The only players in this squad who consistantly demonstrate they are trying to bust a gut are Dobson, May and Kanu. If I was Jones I would want them in the squad for every possible one of the final 15 games and would be highlighting to the squad that the minimum effort required is as demonstrated by these three.
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,698
    edited February 2024
    If he wants to leave now and made that clear then he shouldn't be near the team. Shame to lose him but it is what it is. 

    Does seem an odd move to a team in Hungary but must be a decent prospect! Good luck to him but tbh, we as a club need to concentrate on staying in the league with what we have, not those who wanna go. 
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  • robinofottershaw
    robinofottershaw Posts: 1,921
    He clearly doesn't want to go Hungry!
  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    How about about putting your club, team mates and supporters before you yourself. Dobson doesn't have to leave before the end of the season he is choosing to in the same way that Lyle Taylor made a choice not to play. His mind was made two months ago at the same time as his performance starting to decline. At the time we needed our captain to step up he is choosing to walk away. It is a choice - he does not have to leave. He can stay, go at the end of the season. 
    What planet are you on?

    We have banished him to train with the kids and have chosen to sell him. In what part of that process would he think 'ok i'll stay'?
    Exactly. Imagine being high up in a company, going in to work and being told “we are changing you role, you need to go and clean the toilets today” 

    If he has gone from being first team captain to training with the kids then It’s so disrespectful. Doesn’t really send a good message out to the rest of the players and it’s not like he has broken a code of conduct. If he wants to leave then fine, but he doesn’t need to be treated so poorly. 
  • jbaker
    jbaker Posts: 123
    IanC1960 said:
    jbaker said:
    It’s about money plain and simple. Wasn’t happy with what he was offered. So chose to leave for more money. Simple as that. 
    Thats not true, he wanted 6k a week and a three year deal, If that had been offered he would have stayed even though he was offered nearly double that to go to Hungary.
    loves the club and is really gutted.
    Forced to play and train with the U23’s by Andy Scott.
    Andy Scott is a vindictive nasty useless C**T
    So can you confirm he wasn’t offered a 3 year deal? Also how many players get exactly what they have asked for. Not saying you’re wrong but if you have all the info what exactly was he offered? So he’s going to Hungary for double the money but really would have stayed at Charlton for 50% of what he’s going to get? Doesn’t stack up 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,453
    Is it too late for Jones to speak to the ownership and sort this away from Scott and Methven?
    (Methven isn't a real owner)

    Give Dobson what he wants and end this nonsense.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,024
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    Banished to the U21's? You lot make it sound like he has been sent to a Gulag. It's hardly surprising that you wouldn't want a player who isn't going to play for the club again being involved with the first team. It's normal. That's what happens.  Dobson the victim, the club at fault. I am not buying it. I have read comments on here about 'you cant't blame him' 'respect him for putting his family first ' etc etc... utter nonsense. Bloke should see it through. I would respect him if he stayed. I am in the minority clearly but I believe strongly with captaincy comes responsibility, the responsibility that he is abdicating. He wants to go to Hungry. He doesn't want to play for Charlton. That's it. It really comes done to that. 
    Where is Hungry by the way?
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,512
    stoneroses19 said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    If we'd made Dobson a really good offer and he turned it down because he got a much better offer from a bigger club then so be it, that's football. 

    But what i cannot accept is how someone has decided it's a good idea to a) give him a poor contract offer and b) sell him when we're in a relegation battle. Absolutely shocking.

    I hope the owners look back and think the peanuts of a transfer fee was worth it when we're playing at home to Barrow and Harrogate in front of 5k fans next season.
    Rumours that he's had several offers and the latest met all his demands.
    Issue is there’s rumours saying opposite of this. For most of us, we have no idea who to believe anymore with the constant leaking of rumours from either side of the discussion. 

    This isn’t just aimed at Dobson situation, this has been going on for a year now, with a wide range of different “trusted sources” who all post something different. 

    It is yet another reason we find ourselves in this position. Too many vultures picking remains off our club. 

    It's Ged Roddy's fault. 
  • Vjacheslav
    Vjacheslav Posts: 156
    Offical, but only from the summer.

    https://fehervarfc.hu/index.php/hirek/george-dobson-a-kovetkezo-szezontol-a-fehervar-fc-jatekosa

  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    So we've pulled out of the transfer and he can be involved until the end of the season? 
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  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,512
    edited February 2024
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  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    Talal said:
    So we've pulled out of the transfer and he can be involved until the end of the season? 
    I think we realised we need somebody to make the vegan chilli….

  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,982
    I wonder if he’s spoken to Cullen about the benefits of a sideways move to Europe to leapfrog back to a better move? 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,241
    Yet another thing in that article that doesn't make sense where it says his young family have already moved to Hungary?
  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    Talal said:
    So we've pulled out of the transfer and he can be involved until the end of the season? 
    I guess it’s no different to having a loan player, except he doesn’t count as one during a match day squad. We might as well use him, but not keep him as captain. 
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,512
    edited February 2024
    IanC1960 said:
    He never signed a pre-Contract, we sold him

    So he hasn't been sold then, he's signed a pre contract with a foreign club?
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    edited February 2024
    sam3110 said:
    Yet another thing in that article that doesn't make sense where it says his young family have already moved to Hungary?
    Does it say that? Read to me like they'd made arrangements, unless my translate is wrong 😂
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    If he does stay and is fit I would go with a blunt nosed diamond the next few games.  With Coventry at the base, Dobson and Bakinson in the centre, then with Watson and Camara supporting May and providing the flair.  Nothing else has worked.
  • Return of the SE7
    Return of the SE7 Posts: 518
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    nelsonsleftfoot said:
    Banished to the U21's? You lot make it sound like he has been sent to a Gulag. It's hardly surprising that you wouldn't want a player who isn't going to play for the club again being involved with the first team. It's normal. That's what happens.  Dobson the victim, the club at fault. I am not buying it. I have read comments on here about 'you cant't blame him' 'respect him for putting his family first ' etc etc... utter nonsense. Bloke should see it through. I would respect him if he stayed. I am in the minority clearly but I believe strongly with captaincy comes responsibility, the responsibility that he is abdicating. He wants to go to Hungry. He doesn't want to play for Charlton. That's it. It really comes done to that. 
    Where is Hungry by the way?

  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,864
    thickandthin63 said:
    At this moment,no one has confirmed officially that George has gone.Is it possible that Nathan has somehow intervened ,seen his value and is over riding Scott and trying to get him to stay.
    Cawley has confirmed it last night.

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