POST-MATCH THREAD: Burton Albion V Charlton Athletic : Tuesday 26th November 2024 : KO 19:45

Solidgone said:

Watching his interview afterwards with El Tel NJ looks that he was under pressure to get a win…we can see that with the style of hoof ball and lack of control.  I really think that if we had lost the match it would have been his last match. I still think he is on the ledge because of the dire football being served up each week and of course the poor results. NJ has been back by the owners but he is not delivering. To me it’s count down time and I don’t think there is too long left on the clock. 

 My understanding is that NJ has had a conversation with the owners and although I have no clue to what that was about, I doubt it was to give him a pat on the back. Under pressure ? I have no idea but there will be pressure from himself because as stubborn and crackers as he is, he’s not stupid enough to think he’s doing ok. There is a realisation from the fans that sacking managers twice a season is madness but there is also a growing realisation that Jones is not looking like the answer. Last night was dire and although we collected three very welcome points, nobody can think that was acceptable. I don’t believe there is money to spend in January and I really can’t see a couple of loans turning the tide. I’d say that the football Jones is delivering is pretty close to the worst I’ve seen in supporting for 63 years. Is NJ capable of a massive change in tactics ? I don’t think he is. 

seth plum said:

Karoy Anderson was twenty years old eight weeks ago.
Not finished, just started.
He is a battler at the moment, gaining experience in a poor domestic team, but also gaining experience as an international player.
Eight weeks after turning twenty.
I would pick him over Docherty, Alan Campbell, and Luke Berry, of the midfielders listed on the official site, only Coventry and Taylor would be my pick ahead of him, and even then it would be marginal, Tayo Edun would come next, but that is because we haven’t seen much of him amongst the dross and there is little to criticise about him this season.
Go on, who would pick, for example, Alan Campbell ahead of Anderson?

Was going to like this until you mentioned Edun. A complete dud and I have definitely seen enough of him.

king addick said:

agim said:

king addick said:

Think in terms of link up and winning headers, I think it was Gas's best game for us and if he had that booking, might have seen out the 90 and maybe ended up with a goal. 

Do need to see more of that of course but it was a good platform to build on. 

We deserved the win though we weren't great but we needed the win, one way or another. 

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd of put grass up there"

Gas is a lump it forward target man that doesn't win half his headers. Atrocious player that I'm sure when he leaves us (probably in the summer) he will drop down to League Two or maybe even National League.

Fairly sure he won more than half last night? 

Certainly not saying he is world beater but he played well last night. 

There's winning a 50/50 header and then there's winning a 50/50 header and putting it into a position that will benefit the team. He doesn’t do it nearly enough for a man who's USP is a target man in my opinion when you look at someone like Stockley who was in the same mold. 

agim said:

king addick said:

agim said:

king addick said:

Think in terms of link up and winning headers, I think it was Gas's best game for us and if he had that booking, might have seen out the 90 and maybe ended up with a goal. 

Do need to see more of that of course but it was a good platform to build on. 

We deserved the win though we weren't great but we needed the win, one way or another. 

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd of put grass up there"

Gas is a lump it forward target man that doesn't win half his headers. Atrocious player that I'm sure when he leaves us (probably in the summer) he will drop down to League Two or maybe even National League.

Fairly sure he won more than half last night? 

Certainly not saying he is world beater but he played well last night. 

There's winning a 50/50 header and then there's winning a 50/50 header and putting it into a position that will benefit the team. He doesn’t do it nearly enough for a man who's USP is a target man in my opinion when you look at someone like Stockley who was in the same mold. 

*mould before the spelling police arrive!

I put on my rose-tinted specs and crossed all my fingers and toes to watch last nights game and it paid off!
3 points..... phew..... quite liked the front 3 of Miles, Gass with Matty playing a little deeper....... thought we played through with the ball a bit more than I've seen recently....... not so many passes across the back and midfield and Gillesphey got to rest his diagonal left leg a bit....... Hylton looks much trimmer than when he first came, he did alright too including a nice ball through to TC (didn't he do one of those in some cup game too?)........ Gass seems sharper than earlier in the season and over the last couple of games I think he's shown better pace than in his early days....... Miles was there or thereabouts and is getting sharper too...... Taylor looks comfortable and able on the ball, I wonder if he can have a go at the more forward midfield role instead of Anderson or Doc....... Coventry is a goodun'........ clean sheet so hats off to the guys at the back especially Mitchell and Edwards....... and NJ didn't get booked or sent off!

Born To Run Around A Bit 

cabbles said:

He has the pace of someone who’s just taken a hit of spice and the strength of a match stick.  

Ouch, that's harsh criticism... not that I would disagree with you. One wonders what made the club think he was worthy of a four year contract?

ShootersHillGuru said:

Solidgone said:

Watching his interview afterwards with El Tel NJ looks that he was under pressure to get a win…we can see that with the style of hoof ball and lack of control.  I really think that if we had lost the match it would have been his last match. I still think he is on the ledge because of the dire football being served up each week and of course the poor results. NJ has been back by the owners but he is not delivering. To me it’s count down time and I don’t think there is too long left on the clock. 

 My understanding is that NJ has had a conversation with the owners and although I have no clue to what that was about, I doubt it was to give him a pat on the back. Under pressure ? I have no idea but there will be pressure from himself because as stubborn and crackers as he is, he’s not stupid enough to think he’s doing ok. There is a realisation from the fans that sacking managers twice a season is madness but there is also a growing realisation that Jones is not looking like the answer. Last night was dire and although we collected three very welcome points, nobody can think that was acceptable. I don’t believe there is money to spend in January and I really can’t see a couple of loans turning the tide. I’d say that the football Jones is delivering is pretty close to the worst I’ve seen in supporting for 63 years. Is NJ capable of a massive change in tactics ? I don’t think he is. 

Interesting - thanks for sharing. Assuming you mean the actual owners as opposed to the SMT?

Well, it wasn't pretty, but at least we got the win and it made the drive home more positive than my last long drive home from an away day (Barnsleys late equaliser). 


It was definitely more of a 'paper over the cracks' result over a 'build on this' result. We looked very ordinary and were quite fortunate Burton are just a bad side. They are without a shadow of doubt going down. Their fans also seem to be in a state of acceptance.

I don't want to be too harsh on Karoy, as he's a good lad, and an academy boy, but he's not at this level. I'm not sure if he would even stand out in league 2 tbh. Coventry and Taylor are by far and away our best midfield options, and should be starting every single minute unless they physically can't. I can't even begin to understand why Terry Taylor was dropped last game. He completely changed this game.

TC also needs a lot more game time. One of the only positive players and defenders actually look concerned against him. I'd honestly back myself against Gas. 

Final note, I thought their number 8 was quality until the head loss, his sending off in particular changed the game as he was their best player by a mile.

Still expecting a loss to Walsall, but hey ho, 3 points and a glimmer of hope. 

oohaahmortimer said:

How far offside was TC when put through , did he run from his own half he looked 5 yards off 
and right at the end when TT was being booted on the floor how did they get a free kick for That ffs 

Definitely offside imo. He was at least 10 yards inside their half when the ball was played.......if not he's the next Usan Bolt as when he received the ball he was half way into their half. 

thenewbie said:

seth plum said:

Karoy Anderson was twenty years old eight weeks ago.
Not finished, just started.
He is a battler at the moment, gaining experience in a poor domestic team, but also gaining experience as an international player.
Eight weeks after turning twenty.
I would pick him over Docherty, Alan Campbell, and Luke Berry, of the midfielders listed on the official site, only Coventry and Taylor would be my pick ahead of him, and even then it would be marginal, Tayo Edun would come next, but that is because we haven’t seen much of him amongst the dross and there is little to criticise about him this season.
Go on, who would pick, for example, Alan Campbell ahead of Anderson?

Its a fair point but frankly "being better than Alan Campbell" is not really a very high bar to clear. It's not exactly a resounding commendation.

That's probably a reflection on the midfield that has been brought in to improve that area. I also think, as much as I'm not a fan of Campbell, Berry or Docherty, it's no coincidence that they are not the only ones to fail to shine in this squad. It's easy to see where our most successful players have been this season, Jones, Ramsay, Edwards and possibly Alex Mitchell, all defenders, so what does that tell you about the way this side is told to approach games ? Nearly everyone of our midfielders have been rotated, if that's the word, with only Coventry being a constant, Godden and a returning Leaburn have held down places in the last few weeks but we have had Kanu, Ahadme, Tyreece Campbell also rotated, with Hylton appearing from the bench. Simply put, with all our best defenders available we are consistent at the back, everywhere else, we are not. 

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

agim said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Zak Mitchell out for 10 weeks with hamstring injury 

Great, the good news just keeps on coming.

Also noticed that Chuk's latest knock is now coming up to 2 months since his last game. What is actually wrong with him this time?

A timeline for Mitchell but no mention of how long before Jones, Ramsey, Chuks, Kanu, Watson or Mannion are likely to be available?