So a great start to his Leeds career, that should be no surprise he generally started seasons in the same sort of form for us and undoubtedly has the ability.
But can he sustain it over the course of a season?
Wasn't allowed to get in the box.... dear dear dear. What about Derby at home when he was getting in their box all match. Maybe if some of you lot stopped slagging off our players, you might notice the sheer ammount of work he had to do playing a tight game and covering his full back while messrs Ambrose, Bailey, Racon and Shelvey were all out of position. Add to that the sheer fact that our un-pacey asthmatic midfielders run all day from their own box to nowhere much and lose the ball before the oppos final third - hardly ever getting in the oppos box - and what the bloody hell was he supposed to do?
It might have something to do with Leeds having a more physically competitive team that plays higher up the pitch than we have: until hopefully this season.
[cite]Posted By: ColinTat[/cite] run all day from their own box to nowhere much and lose the ball before the oppos final third - hardly ever getting in the oppos box
Pretty much sums up Lloyd too, if you ask me, add lacking any composure when shaping to shoot and rarely delivering a quality cross.
[cite]Posted By: ColinTat[/cite]It might have something to do with Leeds having a more physically competitive team that plays higher up the pitch than we have: until hopefully this season.
You may have a point there; essentially he may play better in a better team. The jury is out
I agree on the cross bit in that he didn't cross enough when the opportunity arose, but he was excellent at hitting crosses on the break/breakdown; as he did do against Derby and leading up to Bailey's goal against Millwall. Unfortunately rarely did we counter attack near the final third but more often from just in front our of our own box. That night at Derby Darren Powell had one of the worst cd performance I've ever seen and Andy Gray, in the only match I saw him do it, dropped deep and picked up everything near him with Sam busting a gut to be his only outlet.
When Sam was given the platform he could and would do that consistently. I can't deny it was alarming how his fitness went after 60 mins in the last half of the season, but he always worked damn hard to cover his full back even when he was puffing out. There's a wealth of difference between say him Ambrose and Racon, when the team loses possession. Sam was effective and worked damn hard for the team's shape when we didn't have ball. Most of our other players were not able to do this even when they tried.
Regarding the "not allowed in the box" - nonsense of course, but he did seem to play as wide on the right as was possible without actually being in the West/East stand. I presumed this was a tactic by Parky to stretch the defence out.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]early days i aint worried Lloyd will prove me right
memo to self must go to leeds and give him hell
Blimey! You barely go to Charlton & you slam the players, now you are going all the way to Leeds to do the same to someone elses? Thats dedication for ya! ;-)
I know its early days lads but he was superb again today plus with Gradel and Snodgrass to come back in soon he's under pressure to perform to stay in the team, maybe he didn't have that at Charlton (if he did i apologise) and knew he was a cert on the team sheet every week but as i say his work rate and effort so far have been first class. Good luck for the season.
Many people on here were prejudiced against Lloyd Sam, and always marked him down regardless of his actual performance in a match.
I'm pleased that your judging Sam on his actual performance ..... and seeing for yourself that's he's a very decent player.
And he scored against Millwall. Nobody on here can knock him for that!
Sam did have competition in 2007-2008, and in first 1/4 2008-9 under Pards. Pards could not but help bringing him in and we'd get a result and then dropping him after we lost. By 2008 he developed an incredibly good understanding with how he should protect his fb, and boy did he have to work super hard at times.
All through this period we were atrocious without Andy Reid, and whilst Sam provided assists after Reid it's true to say no other creator/midfielder did. So if the guy laid on just under ten assists for both the last two seasons, he should be getting plenty for you. With Snodgrass and Bechhio, being physical or good at getting the link pass off this is where Sam's game is strongest. Sam giving and receiving at pace is his best offensive game, and in the champ it'll be devestating. Such a shame we rarely saw that platform for him in the champ.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]early days i aint worried Lloyd will prove me right
memo to self must go to leeds and give him hell
Blimey! You barely go to Charlton & you slam the players, now you are going all the way to Leeds to do the same to someone elses? Thats dedication for ya! ;-)
i go bloody loads i will have you know i dont do many aways butr i only missed 3 home games last year and i have been to both home games so far this season
Wagstaff's a goalscorer, Sam never has been. I'll be surprised but pleased if Wagstaff gets more assists than Sam over the season (or as a more direct comparison, Sam's 10 assists last season in our team in this league).
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Then text each other ;-6
But can he sustain it over the course of a season?
I bet that description fits a few people on here.
It might have something to do with Leeds having a more physically competitive team that plays higher up the pitch than we have: until hopefully this season.
Pretty much sums up Lloyd too, if you ask me, add lacking any composure when shaping to shoot and rarely delivering a quality cross.
You may have a point there; essentially he may play better in a better team. The jury is out
When Sam was given the platform he could and would do that consistently. I can't deny it was alarming how his fitness went after 60 mins in the last half of the season, but he always worked damn hard to cover his full back even when he was puffing out. There's a wealth of difference between say him Ambrose and Racon, when the team loses possession. Sam was effective and worked damn hard for the team's shape when we didn't have ball. Most of our other players were not able to do this even when they tried.
So why open the thread? Just so you can have a go at someone??
memo to self must go to leeds and give him hell
dont tell wss though i dont want him too confident
Least we can have a go at Parky for not getting more out of him...
Blimey! You barely go to Charlton & you slam the players, now you are going all the way to Leeds to do the same to someone elses? Thats dedication for ya! ;-)
Good luck for the season.
Many people on here were prejudiced against Lloyd Sam, and always marked him down regardless of his actual performance in a match.
I'm pleased that your judging Sam on his actual performance ..... and seeing for yourself that's he's a very decent player.
And he scored against Millwall. Nobody on here can knock him for that!
Sam 3-1 pretty close ATM
All through this period we were atrocious without Andy Reid, and whilst Sam provided assists after Reid it's true to say no other creator/midfielder did. So if the guy laid on just under ten assists for both the last two seasons, he should be getting plenty for you. With Snodgrass and Bechhio, being physical or good at getting the link pass off this is where Sam's game is strongest. Sam giving and receiving at pace is his best offensive game, and in the champ it'll be devestating. Such a shame we rarely saw that platform for him in the champ.
i go bloody loads i will have you know i dont do many aways butr i only missed 3 home games last year and i have been to both home games so far this season
i only want to slam sam to save me money
Was thinking this today, will be interesting over the whole season but think Wagstaff will outscore him come May