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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Coventry City: Thursday 1st January 2026: KO 15:00
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arthur said:
But in our team, that is a chance you get every 6 games!CharltonManor1966 said:
At this level as a striker you get one chance like that a game. He should have done better - at least make the keeper work harder. That was a golden chance wasted.golfaddick said:
If you mean his shot in the first half then that is not a miss. He overpowered the defender & managed to get a shot away whilst still being harried by the defender. Shot from 20 ysrfscwhich the keeper had to save......not an easy save as the shot was not a powder puff one straight at him.PrincessFiona said:
I thought Leaburn looked knackered - he puts in a shift. Shame about the main miss2121 said:Great point!
costello was great.Kaminski good saves (although always parries it back into the danger area)
kelman also great.Surprised leaburn didnt come off as was holding his hamstring early into second half and, i thought, was generally ineffective.
I thought Leaburn did well to create the opportunity and the keeper made a good save.
having seen it back, if he lobs the keeper its actually quite a straight forward finish4 -
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And according to other teams' programmes notes he was the most feared striker in the division.SporadicAddick said:
I’ve reached for the same.PragueAddick said:
Well, having reached for the Cameron tome to refresh my memory, in the 93/94 season he scored 16 in 52 games, and was POTY, but he also got 14 in 42 in 91/92, when Curbs and Gritty took over from Sir Lennie.SporadicAddick said:
Yes I remember him in the 90s, but I was referring to his contribution in the 80s…PragueAddick said:
Well, if you remember his Dad in the 80s, you surely also remember him in the 90s, when he scored a lot of goals. Thats because we were set up to provide him with the opportunities - Robert Lee was at his best, but we had to flog him, then Johnnie Robbo was brought in to replace him. This team doesnt provide chances like those guys did. Miles first league goal for us reminded me so much of his Dad’s towering headed goals. But I also recall Miles converting clinically from a perfect Dan Kanu cross. He has had nothing like those chances set up for him this season, and he won’t until NJ works out how he can play TC and Apter in their own best roles.SporadicAddick said:
I think that’s fair, and I perhaps should have added that this wasn’t a criticism of him, and certainly not of his effort. He’s simply not effective at this level. The stats for winning headers is one side of the coin - the stat for goals and assists is another.Bailey said:
It might be worth looking at his stats, I think he won everything in the air and the amount of covering he got through was phenomenal. I think the point about him being effective as a striker may carry some weight but once again, the role he is now playing is new to him and he is still a young player learning the game.SporadicAddick said:
I clearly need to reevaluate my understanding of the role of a striker, or of an effective player.letthegoodtimesroll said:To the players 👏👏👏👏👏
to Miles, MoM for me
I was a defender of his dad in the 80s - a young lad that often couldn’t buy a goal but who was excellent at bringing others into play and creating space. At this level, at the moment, and maybe in this system, Miles can’t or doesn’t do either.
One post above praised him for tracking back and doing a slide tackle as an example of his excellent performance. That’s just doing the basics…
edit: I’d also question whether, as a striker, he scored “lots” of goals, and I was a fan of his…
let's stick with the other seasons in the 90s
89/90 no goals in 17 games (7 as sub)
90/91 1 goal in 22 (10 as sub)
92/93 6 goals in 45 (12 as sub)
94/95 3 goals in 28 (5 as sub)
95/96 10 goals in 49 (2 as sub)
96/97 9 goals in 50 (4 as sub)
97/98 4 in 15 (1 as sub)
What about the 80s?
86/87 1 in 4 (3 as sub)
87/88 no goals in 13 (2 as sub)
88/89 2 in 35 (4 as sub)
let’s not forget Wimbledon - 4 in 58
or Northampton 0 in 9
or Grays (GRAYS) 9 in 62
I rated Carlo as a player, but I’d never suggest he scored lots of goals…0 -
Thanks meatballs!LouisMend said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0mrmzs9
Just a reminder that the post-match interviews always go up on BBC Sounds now3 -
ahh, fair play. Although we were the peak of his career so you'd like to think we offered him his best strike partnerSporadicAddick said:
I agree - as above, I rated Leaburn and defended him at the time - I’m just pointing out that he didn’t score “lots of goals”.paulsturgess said:Yet, he played over 100 games in the top flight, was signed by a premier league club after a decade of not scoring many goals, and was the best striker partner Clive mendonca ever had (in mendonca’s opinion).
Mendonca caveat - I believe Mendonca is quoted as saying Leaburn was his best strike partner at Charlton, rather than best strike partner ever - happy to be proved wrong.1 -
Callumcafc said:We had 105 passes in the final third, they had 52. We had 35 touches in their penalty area, they had 26.Wow , that’s mad when you consider how many decent saves Kaminsky made when their keeper didn’t seem to have fuck all to do apart from provide the assist for our goal2
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Each game should be judged objectively (just like you always did with Naby and Reeves, I’m sure ) but he doesn’t have much credit left, for me . He did make a couple of good saves today, one in particular was outstanding .Leuth said:
They weren't 'saves', they were saves ffs. I'm a harsh judge of keepers but he's had an absolute blinder today, about 3 where it was massively in favour of being a goalvalleynick66 said:I did find myself worrying that Kaminski was going to spill chances to Coventry with his one handed ‘saves’. That aside we were decent and deserved the point.Follow up with a win next and it will seem a lot better.0 -
I don't think anyone could doubt his value as a target man, but my memory is also of being frustrated at his lack of goals overall - with perhaps a couple of short purple patches.SporadicAddick said:
I’ve reached for the same.PragueAddick said:
Well, having reached for the Cameron tome to refresh my memory, in the 93/94 season he scored 16 in 52 games, and was POTY, but he also got 14 in 42 in 91/92, when Curbs and Gritty took over from Sir Lennie.SporadicAddick said:
Yes I remember him in the 90s, but I was referring to his contribution in the 80s…PragueAddick said:
Well, if you remember his Dad in the 80s, you surely also remember him in the 90s, when he scored a lot of goals. Thats because we were set up to provide him with the opportunities - Robert Lee was at his best, but we had to flog him, then Johnnie Robbo was brought in to replace him. This team doesnt provide chances like those guys did. Miles first league goal for us reminded me so much of his Dad’s towering headed goals. But I also recall Miles converting clinically from a perfect Dan Kanu cross. He has had nothing like those chances set up for him this season, and he won’t until NJ works out how he can play TC and Apter in their own best roles.SporadicAddick said:
I think that’s fair, and I perhaps should have added that this wasn’t a criticism of him, and certainly not of his effort. He’s simply not effective at this level. The stats for winning headers is one side of the coin - the stat for goals and assists is another.Bailey said:
It might be worth looking at his stats, I think he won everything in the air and the amount of covering he got through was phenomenal. I think the point about him being effective as a striker may carry some weight but once again, the role he is now playing is new to him and he is still a young player learning the game.SporadicAddick said:
I clearly need to reevaluate my understanding of the role of a striker, or of an effective player.letthegoodtimesroll said:To the players 👏👏👏👏👏
to Miles, MoM for me
I was a defender of his dad in the 80s - a young lad that often couldn’t buy a goal but who was excellent at bringing others into play and creating space. At this level, at the moment, and maybe in this system, Miles can’t or doesn’t do either.
One post above praised him for tracking back and doing a slide tackle as an example of his excellent performance. That’s just doing the basics…
edit: I’d also question whether, as a striker, he scored “lots” of goals, and I was a fan of his…
let's stick with the other seasons in the 90s
89/90 no goals in 17 games (7 as sub)
90/91 1 goal in 22 (10 as sub)
92/93 6 goals in 45 (12 as sub)
94/95 3 goals in 28 (5 as sub)
95/96 10 goals in 49 (2 as sub)
96/97 9 goals in 50 (4 as sub)
97/98 4 in 15 (1 as sub)
What about the 80s?
86/87 1 in 4 (3 as sub)
87/88 no goals in 13 (2 as sub)
88/89 2 in 35 (4 as sub)
let’s not forget Wimbledon - 4 in 58
or Northampton 0 in 9
or Grays (GRAYS) 9 in 62
I rated Carlo as a player, but I’d never suggest he scored lots of goals…
I also remember being frustrated when he was sold, because that was when he'd really started to click imo - although ironically I note he only returned 4 from 58 for Wimbledon.
When I first saw Miles (pre injury) I thought he could be better than dad - I still haven't ruled that out completely, he's only 22.3 -
66 goals in total spread out over about ten seasons.PragueAddick said:
Well, having reached for the Cameron tome to refresh my memory, in the 93/94 season he scored 16 in 52 games, and was POTY, but he also got 14 in 42 in 91/92, when Curbs and Gritty took over from Sir Lennie.SporadicAddick said:
Yes I remember him in the 90s, but I was referring to his contribution in the 80s…PragueAddick said:
Well, if you remember his Dad in the 80s, you surely also remember him in the 90s, when he scored a lot of goals. Thats because we were set up to provide him with the opportunities - Robert Lee was at his best, but we had to flog him, then Johnnie Robbo was brought in to replace him. This team doesnt provide chances like those guys did. Miles first league goal for us reminded me so much of his Dad’s towering headed goals. But I also recall Miles converting clinically from a perfect Dan Kanu cross. He has had nothing like those chances set up for him this season, and he won’t until NJ works out how he can play TC and Apter in their own best roles.SporadicAddick said:
I think that’s fair, and I perhaps should have added that this wasn’t a criticism of him, and certainly not of his effort. He’s simply not effective at this level. The stats for winning headers is one side of the coin - the stat for goals and assists is another.Bailey said:
It might be worth looking at his stats, I think he won everything in the air and the amount of covering he got through was phenomenal. I think the point about him being effective as a striker may carry some weight but once again, the role he is now playing is new to him and he is still a young player learning the game.SporadicAddick said:
I clearly need to reevaluate my understanding of the role of a striker, or of an effective player.letthegoodtimesroll said:To the players 👏👏👏👏👏
to Miles, MoM for me
I was a defender of his dad in the 80s - a young lad that often couldn’t buy a goal but who was excellent at bringing others into play and creating space. At this level, at the moment, and maybe in this system, Miles can’t or doesn’t do either.
One post above praised him for tracking back and doing a slide tackle as an example of his excellent performance. That’s just doing the basics…
edit: I’d also question whether, as a striker, he scored “lots” of goals, and I was a fan of his…
Hardly prolific but other strikers loved playing alongside him as he had other qualities to his game0 -
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is a lob ever straight forward? It's definately easier to pull off when you have space around you but he's under close pressure from two defenders.DOUCHER said:arthur said:
But in our team, that is a chance you get every 6 games!CharltonManor1966 said:
At this level as a striker you get one chance like that a game. He should have done better - at least make the keeper work harder. That was a golden chance wasted.golfaddick said:
If you mean his shot in the first half then that is not a miss. He overpowered the defender & managed to get a shot away whilst still being harried by the defender. Shot from 20 ysrfscwhich the keeper had to save......not an easy save as the shot was not a powder puff one straight at him.PrincessFiona said:
I thought Leaburn looked knackered - he puts in a shift. Shame about the main miss2121 said:Great point!
costello was great.Kaminski good saves (although always parries it back into the danger area)
kelman also great.Surprised leaburn didnt come off as was holding his hamstring early into second half and, i thought, was generally ineffective.
I thought Leaburn did well to create the opportunity and the keeper made a good save.
having seen it back, if he lobs the keeper its actually quite a straight forward finish
I'm not sure you are remembering it correctly if you think he hit it straight at the keeper.CharltonManor1966 said:
All the more reason he should have made more if it? That us why we are so lacking up front. No goal threat and can't put em away when we do get the chances. He hit it straight at the keeper. More composure needed in front of goal. The word 'striker' speaks for itself.arthur said:
But in our team, that is a chance you get every 6 games!CharltonManor1966 said:
At this level as a striker you get one chance like that a game. He should have done better - at least make the keeper work harder. That was a golden chance wasted.golfaddick said:
If you mean his shot in the first half then that is not a miss. He overpowered the defender & managed to get a shot away whilst still being harried by the defender. Shot from 20 ysrfscwhich the keeper had to save......not an easy save as the shot was not a powder puff one straight at him.PrincessFiona said:
I thought Leaburn looked knackered - he puts in a shift. Shame about the main miss2121 said:Great point!
costello was great.Kaminski good saves (although always parries it back into the danger area)
kelman also great.Surprised leaburn didnt come off as was holding his hamstring early into second half and, i thought, was generally ineffective.
I thought Leaburn did well to create the opportunity and the keeper made a good save.3 -
It would be good to see him playing with a smile on his face again though.ForeverAddickted said:
Not sure his missus will be happy to read this!!The Red Robin said:
January needs to be used to find Kelman a better partner.2121 said:I thought kelman was wasted next to leaburn who always seems to be on his heels and not ready / anticipating or in position for the flick ons. Could we put carey alongside kelman (or dare i say it, kanu) ?1 -
The last time we were in the champ we won 2-1 at Blackburn away first game of the season. Our record is not even that bad there overall in the last 4 league games as followsRonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership- Blackburn’s home record against Charlton in recent meetings is mixed, with two wins for Blackburn (2014, 2015) and two away wins for Charlton ( 2019, 2013) at Ewood Park.
Not sure why all the doom and gloom about playing them, although we have not played that well away at the poorer teams this season, so maybe a reason why.
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I'm thankful that you didn't cast any blame on Tyreece for yesterdays disastrous draw Ronnie lol. I think you need to watch the highlights again mate, Tyreece goes forward awaiting an easy play to wide from Berry, Berry is slow to release and gets caught, Tyreece charges back to try to cover but the player releases it to Simms who scores. You can then watch the Charlton players verbally castigating Luke Berry, not Tyreece, don't mind if I trust the Charlton's team version of events rather than yours mate do you.RonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership12 -
It's hard but I'm really trying to stop responding to his nonsense.Bailey said:
I'm thankful that you didn't cast any blame on Tyreece for yesterdays disastrous draw Ronnie lol. I think you need to watch the highlights again mate, Tyreece goes forward awaiting an easy play to wide from Berry, Berry is slow to release and gets caught, Tyreece charges back to try to cover but the player releases it to Simms who scores. You can then watch the Charlton players verbally castigating Luke Berry, not Tyreece, don't mind if I trust the Charlton's team version of events rather than yours mate do you.RonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership4 -
Is that record Championship only? It doesn't seem to include the League One loss in 2017/18....not that that addition makes it a terrible record.BalladMan said:
The last time we were in the champ we won 2-1 at Blackburn away first game of the season. Our record is not even that bad there overall in the last 4 league games as followsRonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership- Blackburn’s home record against Charlton in recent meetings is mixed, with two wins for Blackburn (2014, 2015) and two away wins for Charlton ( 2019, 2013) at Ewood Park.
Not sure why all the doom and gloom about playing them, although we have not played that well away at the poorer teams this season, so maybe a reason why.
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A really excellent point, and really does show there should be no excuses at Ewood Park. Blackburn just got tonked, and we were unlucky not to get 3 points against one of the two best sides in the league (we already got 3 against the other!)
Just a very enjoyable game, that's all you can ask for as a fan. Team turn up, look like professionals, and then win, lose or draw, at least you showed the fans they ain't pissing their money up the wall
Roll on Blackburn, massive game.
Vlog up for this one,
https://youtu.be/9_2173E9lQY?si=4R0Vk1hB7Kb8LWjA 13 -
Great game.
JRC take a bow -second half performance was outstanding : follow up for the goal astonishing , quite brilliant.3 -
Berry loses the ball, Bell should have been quicker out to the crosser, and Burke loses his man in the middle. Those were the 3 players you could put some blame on. TC wasn’t at fault at all, he did what he’s supposed to do and made the forward run, then did his best to get backBailey said:
I'm thankful that you didn't cast any blame on Tyreece for yesterday’s disastrous draw Ronnie lol. I think you need to watch the highlights again mate, Tyreece goes forward awaiting an easy play to wide from Berry, Berry is slow to release and gets caught, Tyreece charges back to try to cover but the player releases it to Simms who scores. You can then watch the Charlton players verbally castigating Luke Berry, not Tyreece, don't mind if I trust the Charlton's team version of events rather than yours mate do you.RonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership8 -
I certainly haven’t ruled that out,since he has a range of skills with ball at feet that his father never possessed. He also has his Dad’s ability to attack and convert a cross in the penalty box but you can count such crosses on one hand since he made his debut and duly converted a scooped cross from Jack Payne ( i still wonder if that cross was executed as he meant it) . In the current NJ set up, he simply isnt getting those chances. And if you listen carefully to NJ interviews it is clear he is not his player. NJ has said he “loves” various players in this squad., Miles is not one of them. NJ says things like “Miles can be as good as he wants to be.” I accept that NJ overall is far more important to the club than Miles, but it pisses me off. We will sell him for a relative pittance and he will go on to be a highly successful striker with a team that actually creates chances from out wide.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I don't think anyone could doubt his value as a target man, but my memory is also of being frustrated at his lack of goals overall - with perhaps a couple of short purple patches.SporadicAddick said:
I’ve reached for the same.PragueAddick said:
Well, having reached for the Cameron tome to refresh my memory, in the 93/94 season he scored 16 in 52 games, and was POTY, but he also got 14 in 42 in 91/92, when Curbs and Gritty took over from Sir Lennie.SporadicAddick said:
Yes I remember him in the 90s, but I was referring to his contribution in the 80s…PragueAddick said:
Well, if you remember his Dad in the 80s, you surely also remember him in the 90s, when he scored a lot of goals. Thats because we were set up to provide him with the opportunities - Robert Lee was at his best, but we had to flog him, then Johnnie Robbo was brought in to replace him. This team doesnt provide chances like those guys did. Miles first league goal for us reminded me so much of his Dad’s towering headed goals. But I also recall Miles converting clinically from a perfect Dan Kanu cross. He has had nothing like those chances set up for him this season, and he won’t until NJ works out how he can play TC and Apter in their own best roles.SporadicAddick said:
I think that’s fair, and I perhaps should have added that this wasn’t a criticism of him, and certainly not of his effort. He’s simply not effective at this level. The stats for winning headers is one side of the coin - the stat for goals and assists is another.Bailey said:
It might be worth looking at his stats, I think he won everything in the air and the amount of covering he got through was phenomenal. I think the point about him being effective as a striker may carry some weight but once again, the role he is now playing is new to him and he is still a young player learning the game.SporadicAddick said:
I clearly need to reevaluate my understanding of the role of a striker, or of an effective player.letthegoodtimesroll said:To the players 👏👏👏👏👏
to Miles, MoM for me
I was a defender of his dad in the 80s - a young lad that often couldn’t buy a goal but who was excellent at bringing others into play and creating space. At this level, at the moment, and maybe in this system, Miles can’t or doesn’t do either.
One post above praised him for tracking back and doing a slide tackle as an example of his excellent performance. That’s just doing the basics…
edit: I’d also question whether, as a striker, he scored “lots” of goals, and I was a fan of his…
let's stick with the other seasons in the 90s
89/90 no goals in 17 games (7 as sub)
90/91 1 goal in 22 (10 as sub)
92/93 6 goals in 45 (12 as sub)
94/95 3 goals in 28 (5 as sub)
95/96 10 goals in 49 (2 as sub)
96/97 9 goals in 50 (4 as sub)
97/98 4 in 15 (1 as sub)
What about the 80s?
86/87 1 in 4 (3 as sub)
87/88 no goals in 13 (2 as sub)
88/89 2 in 35 (4 as sub)
let’s not forget Wimbledon - 4 in 58
or Northampton 0 in 9
or Grays (GRAYS) 9 in 62
I rated Carlo as a player, but I’d never suggest he scored lots of goals…
I also remember being frustrated when he was sold, because that was when he'd really started to click imo - although ironically I note he only returned 4 from 58 for Wimbledon.
When I first saw Miles (pre injury) I thought he could be better than dad - I still haven't ruled that out completely, he's only 22.1 -
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It was CHATGPT output so possibly wrong. Still, 2 wins, 3 losses with most recent in our season in champ last is not exactly a poor record.Desmond Oulu said:
Is that record Championship only? It doesn't seem to include the League One loss in 2017/18....not that that addition makes it a terrible record.BalladMan said:
The last time we were in the champ we won 2-1 at Blackburn away first game of the season. Our record is not even that bad there overall in the last 4 league games as followsRonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership- Blackburn’s home record against Charlton in recent meetings is mixed, with two wins for Blackburn (2014, 2015) and two away wins for Charlton ( 2019, 2013) at Ewood Park.
Not sure why all the doom and gloom about playing them, although we have not played that well away at the poorer teams this season, so maybe a reason why.
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NabySarr said:
Berry loses the ball, Bell should have been quicker out to the crosser, and Burke loses his man in the middle. Those were the 3 players you could put some blame on. TC wasn’t at fault at all, he did what he’s supposed to do and made the forward run, then did his best to get backBailey said:
I'm thankful that you didn't cast any blame on Tyreece for yesterday’s disastrous draw Ronnie lol. I think you need to watch the highlights again mate, Tyreece goes forward awaiting an easy play to wide from Berry, Berry is slow to release and gets caught, Tyreece charges back to try to cover but the player releases it to Simms who scores. You can then watch the Charlton players verbally castigating Luke Berry, not Tyreece, don't mind if I trust the Charlton's team version of events rather than yours mate do you.RonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiershipMaybe a little harsh on Bell and Burke. Bell has to hand his man over to Jones first before moving and doesn't want to charge out too quickly and get skinned down the wing. van Ewjik then plays the ball surprising early and square before Bell and Campbell can fully close. It's very good movement from Simms too, he's the player who starts off nearest Bell and then he moves over to Jones. Then before the ball comes in he crosses over to where Burke is but the ball comes before he goes beyond him, Burke stays with his original man and Jones is just sort of in the middle. Bree is off on Mars or wherever and has left his man as well. That's Jones in the middle with Ellis Simms behind him and he's pointing at the left winger letting Burke know he's got two problems to worry about, neither of which are Simms
Two seconds later Simms has dropped off, Jones has moved to try and block the cross he expects to come across the box (Bell is also trying to block a ball across the face of goal) and Burke is still watching his original man. There's nothing anyone can do about the left winger at the far post. Burke has to go with the runner because they're assuming the ball is going into the space between the defenders and the keeper:
When the ball comes across Burke has gone with his man and Jones sees the cutback and just barely fails to cut the cross out. Simms is completely free to shoot. It's really good striker movement, he's gambled on Jones blocking the space in the box and overloaded Burke
I do think Burke could have done more to then try and block the shot though, he's let his man run once the cutback happens which he should but hasn't thrown himself at the shot like I expect Ramsay would have, but then it's barely 3 seconds of time to react.6 -
Carl remains one of my fav Charlton players so much more than a goal scorer, he is a Charlton Legend. I still remember the Battle of The Bridge and Carl being knocked down and coming up like a boxer refusing to take the knockout count - what a game that was.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I don't think anyone could doubt his value as a target man, but my memory is also of being frustrated at his lack of goals overall - with perhaps a couple of short purple patches.SporadicAddick said:
I’ve reached for the same.PragueAddick said:
Well, having reached for the Cameron tome to refresh my memory, in the 93/94 season he scored 16 in 52 games, and was POTY, but he also got 14 in 42 in 91/92, when Curbs and Gritty took over from Sir Lennie.SporadicAddick said:
Yes I remember him in the 90s, but I was referring to his contribution in the 80s…PragueAddick said:
Well, if you remember his Dad in the 80s, you surely also remember him in the 90s, when he scored a lot of goals. Thats because we were set up to provide him with the opportunities - Robert Lee was at his best, but we had to flog him, then Johnnie Robbo was brought in to replace him. This team doesnt provide chances like those guys did. Miles first league goal for us reminded me so much of his Dad’s towering headed goals. But I also recall Miles converting clinically from a perfect Dan Kanu cross. He has had nothing like those chances set up for him this season, and he won’t until NJ works out how he can play TC and Apter in their own best roles.SporadicAddick said:
I think that’s fair, and I perhaps should have added that this wasn’t a criticism of him, and certainly not of his effort. He’s simply not effective at this level. The stats for winning headers is one side of the coin - the stat for goals and assists is another.Bailey said:
It might be worth looking at his stats, I think he won everything in the air and the amount of covering he got through was phenomenal. I think the point about him being effective as a striker may carry some weight but once again, the role he is now playing is new to him and he is still a young player learning the game.SporadicAddick said:
I clearly need to reevaluate my understanding of the role of a striker, or of an effective player.letthegoodtimesroll said:To the players 👏👏👏👏👏
to Miles, MoM for me
I was a defender of his dad in the 80s - a young lad that often couldn’t buy a goal but who was excellent at bringing others into play and creating space. At this level, at the moment, and maybe in this system, Miles can’t or doesn’t do either.
One post above praised him for tracking back and doing a slide tackle as an example of his excellent performance. That’s just doing the basics…
edit: I’d also question whether, as a striker, he scored “lots” of goals, and I was a fan of his…
let's stick with the other seasons in the 90s
89/90 no goals in 17 games (7 as sub)
90/91 1 goal in 22 (10 as sub)
92/93 6 goals in 45 (12 as sub)
94/95 3 goals in 28 (5 as sub)
95/96 10 goals in 49 (2 as sub)
96/97 9 goals in 50 (4 as sub)
97/98 4 in 15 (1 as sub)
What about the 80s?
86/87 1 in 4 (3 as sub)
87/88 no goals in 13 (2 as sub)
88/89 2 in 35 (4 as sub)
let’s not forget Wimbledon - 4 in 58
or Northampton 0 in 9
or Grays (GRAYS) 9 in 62
I rated Carlo as a player, but I’d never suggest he scored lots of goals…
I also remember being frustrated when he was sold, because that was when he'd really started to click imo - although ironically I note he only returned 4 from 58 for Wimbledon.
When I first saw Miles (pre injury) I thought he could be better than dad - I still haven't ruled that out completely, he's only 22.Miles is never going to a high scoring striker but hopefully with Kelham and or Godman he can form a very productive strike force.1 -
Previous records and stats are completely pointless. This is practically a different club compared to the last time we played them.BalladMan said:
The last time we were in the champ we won 2-1 at Blackburn away first game of the season. Our record is not even that bad there overall in the last 4 league games as followsRonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiership- Blackburn’s home record against Charlton in recent meetings is mixed, with two wins for Blackburn (2014, 2015) and two away wins for Charlton ( 2019, 2013) at Ewood Park.
Not sure why all the doom and gloom about playing them, although we have not played that well away at the poorer teams this season, so maybe a reason why.
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Yeah you’re probably right it’s harsh, though it is actually Burke in the middle who nearly blocks the cross and Jones on the right with 2 men to worry about.Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:
Berry loses the ball, Bell should have been quicker out to the crosser, and Burke loses his man in the middle. Those were the 3 players you could put some blame on. TC wasn’t at fault at all, he did what he’s supposed to do and made the forward run, then did his best to get backBailey said:
I'm thankful that you didn't cast any blame on Tyreece for yesterday’s disastrous draw Ronnie lol. I think you need to watch the highlights again mate, Tyreece goes forward awaiting an easy play to wide from Berry, Berry is slow to release and gets caught, Tyreece charges back to try to cover but the player releases it to Simms who scores. You can then watch the Charlton players verbally castigating Luke Berry, not Tyreece, don't mind if I trust the Charlton's team version of events rather than yours mate do you.RonnieMoore said:Said after the performance at Pompey that’s there positives and I fancied us today .. well again today performance was good and we were the better team and looked like the team at the top of the league .. People calling for changes again just ridiculous, keep changing does not work and it proved today with an unchanged team …..Once again a mistake cost us Campbell sleeping completely lost his player who had a free run to our area .. and goal .. but we showed great character and took control of the game . But like Pompey you need the ref to get simple descions correct and another stone wall pen missed with a clear hand ball .. we deserved the goal and actually we deserved to win , if this is the top side in championship we are not far away on today’s display .. Positives Burke was excellent , Costello , Kelman but MOM was Kaminski who pulled of a number of saves including incredible double save to stop them going 2 up which would have been game over but he won us that point .. disappointing again Campbell not only for their goal but he had numerous opportunities to create and failed and Bree althrough his defensive work was good his final ball and passing was way of the mark …
Onto Blackburn not a ground we get anything at but that has to change a win would be superb but we must not lose to them … today we saw a team far to good to go down and one not good enough for the premiershipMaybe a little harsh on Bell and Burke. Bell has to hand his man over to Jones first before moving and doesn't want to charge out too quickly and get skinned down the wing. van Ewjik then plays the ball surprising early and square before Bell and Campbell can fully close. It's very good movement from Simms too, he's the player who starts off nearest Bell and then he moves over to Jones. Then before the ball comes in he crosses over to where Burke is but the ball comes before he goes beyond him, Burke stays with his original man and Jones is just sort of in the middle. Bree is off on Mars or wherever and has left his man as well. That's Jones in the middle with Ellis Simms behind him and he's pointing at the left winger letting Burke know he's got two problems to worry about, neither of which are SimmsTwo seconds later Simms has dropped off, Jones has moved to try and block the cross he expects to come across the box (Bell is also trying to block a ball across the face of goal) and Burke is still watching his original man. There's nothing anyone can do about the left winger at the far post. Burke has to go with the runner because they're assuming the ball is going into the space between the defenders and the keeper:When the ball comes across Burke has gone with his man and Jones sees the cutback and just barely fails to cut the cross out. Simms is completely free to shoot. It's really good striker movement, he's gambled on Jones blocking the space in the box and overloaded BurkeI do think Burke could have done more to then try and block the shot though, he's let his man run once the cutback happens which he should but hasn't thrown himself at the shot like I expect Ramsay would have, but then it's barely 3 seconds of time to react.Bree looks quite slow to get back but I don’t think he was running well all game. The 3rd man is actually a midfield runner that one of Coventry or Costello should have picked up, it looks like Coventry gestures to Costello to follow him but he doesn’t1 -
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Obviously the equaliser and resulting point was very important but for me the most important thing was the performance. Could easily have gone spectacularly wrong after that start against the most consistent team in the Division. Heads didn’t drop and fans stayed with the team and we battled back into a deserved draw. We’ve been on a worrying run of results including some very dodgy performances. Our confidence didn’t look anywhere near as low as might have been expected. More work to do to get out of trouble, because I still think we’re right in it but with two or three shrewd January signings I’m still hopeful we can stay in the division.9
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Lots of positives yesterday and an entertaining game. Took the family yesterday and we all enjoyed it including the prematch drink at The River Ale House.
The contrast between being in League One and the Championship is stark.6 -
Coventry were struck down with a bug hence they were one short on the subs bench .
We were proper at it which was even more impressive with the horrific early goal against .
As a fan of Berry he was pony and shouldn’t be starting .
Bell is silk and a genuine pleasure to watch.
Their keeper nuts’d Leaburn at one point .
JRC unbelievable .
Kelmans strength in the build up to the goal impressive , I did fear the ref might have given a free kick for the nudge, muscling off the ball .
Really enjoyed the game and I’m thinking of relieving the mrs of her duty of care in taking petrolhead to Blackburn and may go up there if the Cnut can stop talking for the whole journey .
Feeling a lot more positive after that display .
I think it will be out of pompey , Oxford , us and Blackburn to fill the last two spots .
75% safety
25% relegation
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