Don't think class comes into it, but there is a much more 'sophisticated' and in some respects reserved element of Charlton support compared to most clubs. What that is down to I don't know - we do seem to have a larger percentage of older fans than a lot of other clubs of our level.
Not a bad thing, but does unfortunately mean we're never going to have the type of support that takes 3,000 up to Carlisle United on a day when we could win promotion - all because "its a bit far".
How do you know what class people are at a football match? Apart for some lazy stereotypes about middle class people "don't like swearing" how would you tell? Sounds a bit insulting to working class people like me that I can't control my language or behaviour at football.
And this red division lot. How many are "working class" and how many "middle class"? Is it based on their parents or on their own jobs/careers? Who carried out the survey? At what income level do you jump from one to the other?
Good point. I am only making assumptions in order to make a suggestion. I think that if a survey were conducted, youd find that the fans more likely to shout and sing would be young working class. Class isn't determined by income and only to an certain extent parents jobs.
I have to generalise based on the observation of going to millwall and westham and comparing that with Charlton and noticing the difference between speech and behaviour. At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Nug - youve compared us to Norwich saying they're a middle class club and then said we're incomparable in terms of size so bit of a null point isnt it?
I didn't compare them to us, you said us being a middle-class club meant we had a small away following. I said they are a primarily middle class club and have a large following, hence I think class has little to do with our away following. Anyway my point was better put by Henry and apologies to any Norwich fans who are working class
I see what you're saying but still kind of a useless example. We're incomparable with them because of the size of the city. A comparison with Fulham would be more useful.
How do you know what class people are at a football match? Apart for some lazy stereotypes about middle class people "don't like swearing" how would you tell? Sounds a bit insulting to working class people like me that I can't control my language or behaviour at football.
And this red division lot. How many are "working class" and how many "middle class"? Is it based on their parents or on their own jobs/careers? Who carried out the survey? At what income level do you jump from one to the other?
Good point. I am only making assumptions in order to make a suggestion. I think that if a survey were conducted, youd find that the fans more likely to shout and sing would be young working class. Class isn't determined by income and only to an certain extent parents jobs.
I have to generalise based on the observation of going to millwall and westham and comparing that with Charlton and noticing the difference between speech and behaviour. At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Or maybe at West Ham and Millwall young men from nice "middle class" backgrounds feel the need to act "working class" by dropping a few aitches and throwing a few swear words and "mug" about to show how tough they are.
Speaking well is a sign of education and reading not class.
Nug - youve compared us to Norwich saying they're a middle class club and then said we're incomparable in terms of size so bit of a null point isnt it?
I didn't compare them to us, you said us being a middle-class club meant we had a small away following. I said they are a primarily middle class club and have a large following, hence I think class has little to do with our away following. Anyway my point was better put by Henry and apologies to any Norwich fans who are working class
I see what you're saying but still kind of a useless example. We're incomparable with them because of the size of the city. A comparison with Fulham would be more useful.
How do you know what class people are at a football match? Apart for some lazy stereotypes about middle class people "don't like swearing" how would you tell? Sounds a bit insulting to working class people like me that I can't control my language or behaviour at football.
And this red division lot. How many are "working class" and how many "middle class"? Is it based on their parents or on their own jobs/careers? Who carried out the survey? At what income level do you jump from one to the other?
Good point. I am only making assumptions in order to make a suggestion. I think that if a survey were conducted, youd find that the fans more likely to shout and sing would be young working class. Class isn't determined by income and only to an certain extent parents jobs.
I have to generalise based on the observation of going to millwall and westham and comparing that with Charlton and noticing the difference between speech and behaviour. At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Or maybe at West Ham and Millwall young men from nice "middle class" backgrounds feel the need to act "working class" by dropping a few aitches and throwing a few swear words and "mug" about to show how tough they are.
Speaking well is a sign of education and reading not class.
Education and reading ability is often a sign of class.
How do you know what class people are at a football match? Apart for some lazy stereotypes about middle class people "don't like swearing" how would you tell? Sounds a bit insulting to working class people like me that I can't control my language or behaviour at football.
And this red division lot. How many are "working class" and how many "middle class"? Is it based on their parents or on their own jobs/careers? Who carried out the survey? At what income level do you jump from one to the other?
Good point. I am only making assumptions in order to make a suggestion. I think that if a survey were conducted, youd find that the fans more likely to shout and sing would be young working class. Class isn't determined by income and only to an certain extent parents jobs.
I have to generalise based on the observation of going to millwall and westham and comparing that with Charlton and noticing the difference between speech and behaviour. At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Or maybe at West Ham and Millwall young men from nice "middle class" backgrounds feel the need to act "working class" by dropping a few aitches and throwing a few swear words and "mug" about to show how tough they are.
Speaking well is a sign of education and reading not class.
Maybe. More likely though young working class are more attracted to that type of atmosphere. Old middle class attracted to the atmosphere in the west stand.
I would say articulation is a sign of education. Whereas accent can denote the class you were born in to.
How do you know what class people are at a football match? Apart for some lazy stereotypes about middle class people "don't like swearing" how would you tell? Sounds a bit insulting to working class people like me that I can't control my language or behaviour at football.
And this red division lot. How many are "working class" and how many "middle class"? Is it based on their parents or on their own jobs/careers? Who carried out the survey? At what income level do you jump from one to the other?
Good point. I am only making assumptions in order to make a suggestion. I think that if a survey were conducted, youd find that the fans more likely to shout and sing would be young working class. Class isn't determined by income and only to an certain extent parents jobs.
I have to generalise based on the observation of going to millwall and westham and comparing that with Charlton and noticing the difference between speech and behaviour. At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Or maybe at West Ham and Millwall young men from nice "middle class" backgrounds feel the need to act "working class" by dropping a few aitches and throwing a few swear words and "mug" about to show how tough they are.
Speaking well is a sign of education and reading not class.
Education and reading ability is often a sign of class.
Perhaps but not the point I was making.
Dislike the lazy stereotype that if you sing, swear, or are rowdy at football that means you are "working class" or that those are the characteristics of "working class" people.
And the matching stereotype that if you don't act that way or if you're not OK with football violence or racist chanting then you can't be "working class".
I went to a Grammar School, as did my father, I currently work in retail, but I am studying to become a buyer and merchandiser, my mum is an accountant and my dad is an assessor in the catering and hospitality industry, we live in a council house on an estate and own 2 cars, are all season ticket holders in the North Lower and go to about 6-8 away games a season depending on commitments to work and all the cup games. What class are we? And what has it got to do with how much noise we make and how hardcore we are?
On a side note, can the RD please make up a chant to The Wombats' Joy Division please? Thankyou
I went to a Grammar School, as did my father, I currently work in retail, but I am studying to become a buyer and merchandiser, my mum is an accountant and my dad is an assessor in the catering and hospitality industry, we live in a council house on an estate and own 2 cars, are all season ticket holders in the North Lower and go to about 6-8 away games a season depending on commitments to work and all the cup games. What class are we? And what has it got to do with how much noise we make and how hardcore we are?
On a side note, can the RD please make up a chant to The Wombats' Joy Division please? Thankyou
You're bottom of the class spectrum - you like The Wombats.
I went to a Grammar School, as did my father, I currently work in retail, but I am studying to become a buyer and merchandiser, my mum is an accountant and my dad is an assessor in the catering and hospitality industry, we live in a council house on an estate and own 2 cars, are all season ticket holders in the North Lower and go to about 6-8 away games a season depending on commitments to work and all the cup games. What class are we? And what has it got to do with how much noise we make and how hardcore we are?
On a side note, can the RD please make up a chant to The Wombats' Joy Division please? Thankyou
It all depends on how many episodes of Jeremy Kyle you have been on.
...At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Be careful not to confuse Millwall with working class. I don't believe may of them are:
Don't think class comes into it, but there is a much more 'sophisticated' and in some respects reserved element of Charlton support compared to most clubs. What that is down to I don't know - we do seem to have a larger percentage of older fans than a lot of other clubs of our level.
Not a bad thing, but does unfortunately mean we're never going to have the type of support that takes 3,000 up to Carlisle United on a day when we could win promotion - all because "its a bit far".
This is basically what i meant. Probably shouldn't have gone down the class route but easy to how sophistication and a reserved nature could be as percieved middle class traits.
(Does this mean you are going to stop calling us nasty names?) ;o)
He didn't call us Marmite did he Offy? Only I like Marmite on toast :-)
No, he said "your (sic) all twats". Which I thought was harsh, as the general consensus it that there are only between 60-70% twats on here at any one time.
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Not a bad thing, but does unfortunately mean we're never going to have the type of support that takes 3,000 up to Carlisle United on a day when we could win promotion - all because "its a bit far".
Despite their moaning, you very rarely see a poor farmer.
Doesn't Prince Charles think he's a farmer? when he's not a Colonel of course.
I did laugh.
I have to generalise based on the observation of going to millwall and westham and comparing that with Charlton and noticing the difference between speech and behaviour. At Charlton in the east and west stands people are more generally quieter and more well spoken than those who sit in the equivalent stands at West Ham and Millwall.
Of course im not saying that all working class are likely to be more aggressive nor that middle class are likely to sit and be quiet. But to deny that aggressive, loud football fans are more generally working class would be wrong.
Speaking well is a sign of education and reading not class.
I would say articulation is a sign of education. Whereas accent can denote the class you were born in to.
Dislike the lazy stereotype that if you sing, swear, or are rowdy at football that means you are "working class" or that those are the characteristics of "working class" people.
And the matching stereotype that if you don't act that way or if you're not OK with football violence or racist chanting then you can't be "working class".
On a side note, can the RD please make up a chant to The Wombats' Joy Division please? Thankyou
;-)
Enjooooooy the gaaaaaame !!!!
(Does this mean you are going to stop calling us nasty names?)
;o)
I am sure its not quite at the levle of midde to upper class support seen in other sports.
For what its worth you were good vocally and brought more than Millwall did albeit that was a Tuesday night.