Froch v Groves
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And you think Carl will come out this fight exactly the same as he did previously? Not a chance. Want a small bet between us?Carter said:Ah you have been truly sold this build up haven't you?
If Carl Froch had gotten more exposure over the last few years you would see he only has one way of fighting. Watch ten of his fights in any order and you will see that.
Do the same with Groves and you will see an array of styles
The only change will be Froch starting a lot more live than before and he didn't come out like a slouch in the last fight he got caught with a perfect one-two which then made life very uncomfortable for him over the rest of the fight
The build up means diddly squat
Remember Ricky Hatton was as tough as they come until the wars caught up with him, Froch has never been one to slip punches and move and this has cost him in the past. Punch resistance is not infinite and another six rounds like the last fight will end him0 -
Groves has shown the one punch power to flop Froch whereas Froch is a cumulative puncher and does not have as much power IMO I think this will be the difference. Groves by KO first 5 rounds Froch has no defence apart from his big nose and chin.0
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Yes because that's how he's fought for his entire career. He has no plan B. Watch his fight against Andre Ward for proof of that.Frontline9 said:
And you think Carl will come out this fight exactly the same as he did previously? Not a chance. Want a small bet between us?Carter said:Ah you have been truly sold this build up haven't you?
If Carl Froch had gotten more exposure over the last few years you would see he only has one way of fighting. Watch ten of his fights in any order and you will see that.
Do the same with Groves and you will see an array of styles
The only change will be Froch starting a lot more live than before and he didn't come out like a slouch in the last fight he got caught with a perfect one-two which then made life very uncomfortable for him over the rest of the fight
The build up means diddly squat
Remember Ricky Hatton was as tough as they come until the wars caught up with him, Froch has never been one to slip punches and move and this has cost him in the past. Punch resistance is not infinite and another six rounds like the last fight will end him
Whichever way you see this fight going and whoever you want to win, there is one thing we can all agree on, their chat is appalling.
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What do you consider a small bet, I'm interested.Frontline9 said:
And you think Carl will come out this fight exactly the same as he did previously? Not a chance. Want a small bet between us?Carter said:Ah you have been truly sold this build up haven't you?
If Carl Froch had gotten more exposure over the last few years you would see he only has one way of fighting. Watch ten of his fights in any order and you will see that.
Do the same with Groves and you will see an array of styles
The only change will be Froch starting a lot more live than before and he didn't come out like a slouch in the last fight he got caught with a perfect one-two which then made life very uncomfortable for him over the rest of the fight
The build up means diddly squat
Remember Ricky Hatton was as tough as they come until the wars caught up with him, Froch has never been one to slip punches and move and this has cost him in the past. Punch resistance is not infinite and another six rounds like the last fight will end him0 -
I don't agree with the view that Froch only knows one way to fight - just look at the two Kessler fights if you want evidence of that.
I believe the fight will be different this time - much more cagey early on, but I still see the possible outcomes the same as last time - Groves on points or a Froch win by stoppage.
I hope it's Groves.1 -
Between £50-£100? Upto £200.Friend Or Defoe said:
What do you consider a small bet, I'm interested.Frontline9 said:
And you think Carl will come out this fight exactly the same as he did previously? Not a chance. Want a small bet between us?Carter said:Ah you have been truly sold this build up haven't you?
If Carl Froch had gotten more exposure over the last few years you would see he only has one way of fighting. Watch ten of his fights in any order and you will see that.
Do the same with Groves and you will see an array of styles
The only change will be Froch starting a lot more live than before and he didn't come out like a slouch in the last fight he got caught with a perfect one-two which then made life very uncomfortable for him over the rest of the fight
The build up means diddly squat
Remember Ricky Hatton was as tough as they come until the wars caught up with him, Froch has never been one to slip punches and move and this has cost him in the past. Punch resistance is not infinite and another six rounds like the last fight will end him0 -
I'll have a tenner for charity with you that Carl Froch will not start slipping punches, feingning and moving his head overnight
Or do you mean I back Groves you back Froch?
The two Kessler fights he tried to box behind a jab in the first amd was outworked by a younger, better Mikkel Kessler it can be argued he got the best of the later rounds but I think Kessler won the first maybe not comfortably but he did enough to win
The second fight is academic for me, Kessler had not gotten better in the time between meetings, Froch did what he did in the first fight just against a lesser kessler1 -
I guess the race horse in your profile picture should've been a warning sign!
I'll think about it....
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All the pre-fight bullshit and posturing makes me laugh, such a load of bollocks as is the crap about 'sports psychologists' giving either fighter an edge.
As Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."3 -
I mean I'll have Froch, you can have Groves. Lets say £50 then and winner also donates £10 of it to upbeats?0
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Groves inside 6.0
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Current odds - Froch 8/13 - Groves 13/10 and you're offering an even £50 with you on Froch? Nice work if you can get it!Frontline9 said:I mean I'll have Froch, you can have Groves. Lets say £50 then and winner also donates £10 of it to upbeats?
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Groves has halved in value since the day the rematch was announced as well!bobmunro said:
Current odds - Froch 8/13 - Groves 13/10 and you're offering an even £50 with you on Froch? Nice work if you can get it!Frontline9 said:I mean I'll have Froch, you can have Groves. Lets say £50 then and winner also donates £10 of it to upbeats?
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Those pay-per-view orders won't sell themselves...Ormiston Addick said:All the pre-fight bullshit and posturing makes me laugh, such a load of bollocks as is the crap about 'sports psychologists' giving either fighter an edge.
As Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."0 -
Froch has had a good camp but there are murmurs that he has had an injury to his jaw
Groves has mentioned more than once that he hopes froch turns up
Groves will have a harder fight this time and he knows it
Froch did not take it seriously doing that stupid dancing thing with his missus before the fight was naive and to be honest shameful and a lack of respect
But froch won't be able to handle groves speed he won't be able to slow groves down before being tired himself
Age and fights will catch up with him
The ref won't stop it too soon this time but the only way froch wins is if groves freezes1 -
Yes, that is a fair point but its just so confected that its embarrassing.AllLeftFoot said:
Those pay-per-view orders won't sell themselves...Ormiston Addick said:All the pre-fight bullshit and posturing makes me laugh, such a load of bollocks as is the crap about 'sports psychologists' giving either fighter an edge.
As Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."
Listened to a great interview with Steve Collins the other night and he said that his fight with Eubank was not doing as well as it should in terms of ticket sales so he invented this 'Hypnotist' story where he said he had been hypnotised and therefore could not be hurt by Eubank.
The story exploded and not only was the fight soon sold out but it spooked Eubank as well.1 -
Frontline9 said:
I mean I'll have Froch, you can have Groves. Lets say £50 then and winner also donates £10 of it to upbeats?
I'll call it a tenner to the upbeats either way
If I win you'll have every Charlton fan on this site claiming to be me if we did anything over that. The callous bastards
For what it's worth this is Groves' fight to lose, he can comfortably out point Froch if he moves. Froch will look to wear him down on the inside if Groves fights this way which will be futile.
I wouldn't be shocked if Froch had a bad jaw after the last fight either0 -
Fair enough then, if Groves wins, I'll donate a tenner to upbeats - if Carl wins, you donate a tenner to upbeats, deal?Carter said:Frontline9 said:I mean I'll have Froch, you can have Groves. Lets say £50 then and winner also donates £10 of it to upbeats?
I'll call it a tenner to the upbeats either way
If I win you'll have every Charlton fan on this site claiming to be me if we did anything over that. The callous bastards
For what it's worth this is Groves' fight to lose, he can comfortably out point Froch if he moves. Froch will look to wear him down on the inside if Groves fights this way which will be futile.
I wouldn't be shocked if Froch had a bad jaw after the last fight either
Think you'll be surprised what Carl you'll see come Saturday0 -
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I'll be more than shocked if he moves his head let alone does anything different. Great fighrer and a very hard man to beat but Groves can only beat himself by being reckless. If he loses it will all be on him doing something stupid0 -
Happened in camp carts about 6 weeks ago from what I have been told0
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If there is any frailty in Froch's chin he is in trouble. Ricky Burns has not been the same since Beltram damaged his.
And damaged jaws really, really hurt
He is a very hard man Carl Froch1 -
I love watching both fighters. Froch is a typical British fighter that you want to root for - never stops coming forward, hard as nails, power in his punches and only knows one way to fight. Unfortunately that was and will again be his downfall - Groves has about ten different ways to win a fight. He can punch a lot harder than given credit for (as Froch found out), is a great technician, durable, crafty and not above being dirty when he needs to.
Seriously think this has the makings of one of the best British fights ever. The last one was good enough, but this will be better.
What i'm really looking forward to is the inevitable rematch with Groves and DeGale. I want to see Groves rearrange that prick again.2 -
I was at the O2 that night and rooting for George - but Groves hardly rearranged Degale. He won what was a very close fight.0
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De Gale is a completely different fighter he would also give froch problems being a lefty and a slippery bastard much like andre dirrel when he wants to be. He's also never really been whacked
That was a great fight for different reasons, very tense I had Groves by two rounds in that but again Groves would not fight in the same way against De Gale as he would Froch if they were to rematch which I have no doubt they will. At some point one of them will have to face Ward who is away on his own at the top of that division and really roughed Froch up whem they fought
Froch made an interesting comment about Groves being a boiled down light heavyweight last week which amazed me, could sort of understand that about someone like callum Smith but not groves. I think that was Froch acknowledging Groves can really thump personally0 -
I guess the race horse in your profile picture should've been a warning sign!
I'll think about it....
I thought the dancing thing was months before training? Before the first fight Froch was saying he was taking it very seriously as he didn't want to be embarrassed. Either way both have prepared better this fight and I don't think much can read into the first fight.nth london addick said:Froch has had a good camp but there are murmurs that he has had an injury to his jaw
Groves has mentioned more than once that he hopes froch turns up
Groves will have a harder fight this time and he knows it
Froch did not take it seriously doing that stupid dancing thing with his missus before the fight was naive and to be honest shameful and a lack of respect
But froch won't be able to handle groves speed he won't be able to slow groves down before being tired himself
Age and fights will catch up with him
The ref won't stop it too soon this time but the only way froch wins is if groves freezes0 -
Should be a cracking fight. I lean towards Groves but won't be risking any money on the outcome.0
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"I don't like the whole fame thing" no Carl, you just make yourself look a prat dancing on national television.1
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Agree with all of that - I had Groves by 1 or 2 rounds also but could have accepted a different decision. It also shows the versatility of Groves - he out thought Degale that night and boxed brilliantly. If he does that with Froch this time around then he should be able to dance to a points win. I don't think though that he will be able to resist trying to land the heavy punches.Carter said:De Gale is a completely different fighter he would also give froch problems being a lefty and a slippery bastard much like andre dirrel when he wants to be. He's also never really been whacked
That was a great fight for different reasons, very tense I had Groves by two rounds in that but again Groves would not fight in the same way against De Gale as he would Froch if they were to rematch which I have no doubt they will. At some point one of them will have to face Ward who is away on his own at the top of that division and really roughed Froch up whem they fought
Froch made an interesting comment about Groves being a boiled down light heavyweight last week which amazed me, could sort of understand that about someone like callum Smith but not groves. I think that was Froch acknowledging Groves can really thump personally
I would love to see Groves/Degale again and also Groves against Ward - the latter would be a much closer fight than Froch managed but I would call it for Ward (just).
I also believe that Froch is right about Groves being a boiled down light heavy. I can see George moving up at some point.0 -
Yep and yep and yep
Groves could easily box froch's ears off but anyone who can punch that hard will always be tempted to engage. He has had man strength since he was an amateur he was knocking people over for fun then0 -
Wasn't that long before the fight and he only made it In camp due to his " poor back injury"
Watch froch on the behind scenes training camp on sky
He allows sparring to be filmed wrong move
Eubanks jr shows he can not deal with pace speed and power
Rob mc don't look convinced
And froch has the eyes of an ageing fighter
Groves will win this he is going to swarm him and land some seriously powerful and hurtful blows
I think groves takes froch out in the late rds
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