I'm not one to lay into managers, at the end of the day it is normally the quality of your squad that dictates how you do at international level.
But as much as I like Woy, you can see what a boring attempt at a safe pair of hands he is. All about caution, respect to the opposition, cap dothed to the international coaching fraternity. No balls or risks to it, safety first.
We nay get some decent results under his stewardship, but I will be really surprised if you see a decent attacking performance.
Not comments based solely on tonight.
It's easy to knock Roy but in my adult lifetime England have only played with any degree of fluency in 1990, 1996 and 2004, and that's with better players available. I only rate Rooney, Wilshere, Cleverley, Lampard, Gerrard, Cahill and Cole as international standard in the current squad, so maybe having a Curbs type manager is our best option. The fact is when half your team is out of their depth you aren't going to be best served playing free flowing football.
Not a classic by any means but we avoided defeat in arguably the toughest away game in the group.
Walker had some shaky moments but, unlike many supposed better England players, he didn't hide, stuck at it and actually looked like he wanted to play for the shirt.
I thought Lambert had a good first half but the pundits will always slag off someone who doesn't play for one of the Big 4 or Liverpool. It's what they do.
I would rather see the likes of Lambert and Walker out there than the Premiership prima donnas of the recent past.
We may still lose but we'll go down fighting rather than slouching around a la Rooney in South Africa.
Four "major" teams to win (6/1) tenner lumped on...
Germany - vielen dank France - merci beaucoup Italy - grazie mille England - oh for f*7ks sake!
With the exception of perhaps Euro 96 and since the days of Keegan,Brooking and Robson, I mean just what is the point really, what is the f&*king point?
Walcott has to play as he can produce that bit of magic or pace that cuts teams open but he is very frustrating. Mind you it is sometimes about how the team plays where he doesn't find himself in the positions where he is most dangerous.
He's like swp, all about his pace and when that goes he'll be a championship standard player
It's the sign of a pretty poor group when you look at the fact that we've only beaten the mighty Moldova and San Marino so far yet have it in our own hands to qualify with two games left.
We've only beaten Moldova and San Marino in the group? That's poor going, point is a job done wonder if we'll see sturridge or Rooney playing at the weekend?
Agree about the ref - he was the only world class performer on the pitch. A lot - no most refs- would have given them two pens although technically they were not.
Bloody hell that was miserable. No penetration at all. The worst part was Roy's response to the issue. Lambert was very poor out there and needed to be replaced with someone who could break up Ukraine's shape, and contingency plan was to invert the ineffectual wingers, then bring Ashley Young on in central midfield, then bring Tom Cleverley on for a winger on 88 minutes. Clueless.
I'm not one to lay into managers, at the end of the day it is normally the quality of your squad that dictates how you do at international level.
But as much as I like Woy, you can see what a boring attempt at a safe pair of hands he is. All about caution, respect to the opposition, cap dothed to the international coaching fraternity. No balls or risks to it, safety first.
We nay get some decent results under his stewardship, but I will be really surprised if you see a decent attacking performance.
Not comments based solely on tonight.
It's easy to knock Roy but in my adult lifetime England have only played with any degree of fluency in 1990, 1996 and 2004, and that's with better players available. I only rate Rooney, Wilshere, Cleverley, Lampard, Gerrard, Cahill and Cole as international standard in the current squad, so maybe having a Curbs type manager is our best option. The fact is when half your team is out of their depth you aren't going to be best served playing free flowing football.
England will fail to win anything until they find another Paul Gascoinge. Absolute crap out there on display tonight unable to string passes together, run with the ball and too many times caught ball watching. How Ashley Young or Milner manage to get in the squad let alone play baffles me, at the minute there not even getting in there club teams.
I'm not one to lay into managers, at the end of the day it is normally the quality of your squad that dictates how you do at international level.
But as much as I like Woy, you can see what a boring attempt at a safe pair of hands he is. All about caution, respect to the opposition, cap dothed to the international coaching fraternity. No balls or risks to it, safety first.
We nay get some decent results under his stewardship, but I will be really surprised if you see a decent attacking performance.
Not comments based solely on tonight.
It's easy to knock Roy but in my adult lifetime England have only played with any degree of fluency in 1990, 1996 and 2004, and that's with better players available. I only rate Rooney, Wilshere, Cleverley, Lampard, Gerrard, Cahill and Cole as international standard in the current squad, so maybe having a Curbs type manager is our best option. The fact is when half your team is out of their depth you aren't going to be best served playing free flowing football.
I think Wilshere is a very pod player but too easy to put of his game. Get close to him and don't allow him time or let the ball run across him (which he loves)
Ukraine done it last night for 20 mins then the rest of the game he was pony.
Take out Lambert & Milner, enter Rooney, Sturridge or Welbeck and we would have won that. We're never going to win the world cup with this current crop, but i'd just be happy to be in the bloody thing next summer.
Thought Cahill was immense last night, Lambert did ok till he tired (considering he's our best option without those injured or suspended). At least he put a shift in.
Walker looked shaky, nerves possibly? Have liked him when Ive seen him play before. Milner a bit like Lambert, gives 100% which I like but there are better players that should be in line before him.
That said, Walcott was ineffective and Young was pointless, so I dont know who I would have played last night instead. Never been blown away by Cleverly.
A decent enough result, 6 points from the final 2 should be doable with a full squad.
Watched an average Italy side not too many years ago play similar defensive football, yet go on to win a competition.
Even that fairly average Italy side had Buffon, Cannavaro, Pirlo and Totti as the spine of their team, with players like Del Piero and De Rossi able to come off the bench... compare that to what we had on show last night.
We're not very good or enjoyable watch, so all things considered I'm pretty happy to see us sitting top of the group.
Four "major" teams to win (6/1) tenner lumped on...
Germany - vielen dank France - merci beaucoup Italy - grazie mille England - oh for f*7ks sake!
With the exception of perhaps 2011/12 and since the days of Kinsella, Mendonca and Rufus, I mean just what is the point really, what is the f&*king point?
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Walker had some shaky moments but, unlike many supposed better England players, he didn't hide, stuck at it and actually looked like he wanted to play for the shirt.
I thought Lambert had a good first half but the pundits will always slag off someone who doesn't play for one of the Big 4 or Liverpool. It's what they do.
I would rather see the likes of Lambert and Walker out there than the Premiership prima donnas of the recent past.
We may still lose but we'll go down fighting rather than slouching around a la Rooney in South Africa.
Four "major" teams to win (6/1) tenner lumped on...
Germany - vielen dank
France - merci beaucoup
Italy - grazie mille
England - oh for f*7ks sake!
With the exception of perhaps Euro 96 and since the days of Keegan,Brooking and Robson, I mean just what is the point really, what is the f&*king point?
4 draws against the other decent teams in our group.
Couldn't pass water tonight either.
but somehow i reckon we will make it to brazil.
Ukraine done it last night for 20 mins then the rest of the game he was pony.
Walker looked shaky, nerves possibly? Have liked him when Ive seen him play before. Milner a bit like Lambert, gives 100% which I like but there are better players that should be in line before him.
That said, Walcott was ineffective and Young was pointless, so I dont know who I would have played last night instead. Never been blown away by Cleverly.
A decent enough result, 6 points from the final 2 should be doable with a full squad.
Plays consistently for Man Utd and actually keeps the ball.
We're not very good or enjoyable watch, so all things considered I'm pretty happy to see us sitting top of the group.