people are making their view on what they have seen and even if he does turn into Gordon Banks/Lev Yashins lovechild in the future it wont change the fact he's been jank in his first four games for us
No-one was moaning about him when he produced that save at the end, and what a save it was, would of made in 0-1 and we would of lost instead of won
I was, his positioning was diabolical for it, any half decent keeper would have just had to catch it simply. He's a bit eccentric, which if we're doing alright is fine, if we're struggling we can't afford to have him there. Honestly can't remember seeing a keeper who I worry about as much as him
Are you a goalkeeper coach. Not seen many keepers if you think he is the worse
No but I have seen every keeper we've had since Bob Bolder, name me 1 in that time that's worse? Possibly Amman, but I'd say he was better. That save was right out of the Sylvester Stallone school of goal keeping, what was he doing across the other side of the goal? Whatever happens I want him to do well but he's not as good as what we've already got
Carl Ikeme Ross Worner
Spring to mind straight away. I'm sure I could come up with a few more as well. Rob Elliot always concerned me as his positioning wasn't great.
With Thuram, he hasn't been playing over in Belgium, therefore he needs to build up match fitness, he also needs to adjust to the speed of the game over here.
Technically I would say that Hamer and Thuram are on a similar level with the edge going slightly to Thuram. Reason being Thuram is better at coming off his line and, I believe, dealing with crosses.
People seem to forget Hamer did not like claiming crosses in his own 6 yard box, set pieces he would leave up to defenders rather than deal with himself.
Thuram punches the ball, this is a common theme for keepers outside of England, we may not like it but you just need to watch Rob Green's performance on Saturday to see that catching the ball isn't necessarily the right technique.
Kicking wise, he is weak but the ball going to the wing was a planned play (watch Jackson go straight to the sideline for each kick), our strikers couldn't win it in the air so we had to adjust.
He's unorthodox but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
With regards to the Hamer chant, I thought that was wrong, hopefully those that started that chant up will do exactly the same thing when Hamer screws up (if he gets back into the team) but I doubt it. Thuram was marked as the scapegoat before he even stepped foot on the pitch.
Like the fact he wants to get the ball out quick Ok his kickings not great but Maybee he's used to playing out short from the back And he likes to punch rather than catch Maybee this is how he was coached??
Mate he done a Cartwheel save whilst playing out in france. The blokes played for Monaco. They are a TOP team. Champions league quality. I think some people need to realise that.....He must have some class about him.
ha ha mate. im sitting at my desk trying to imagine what a cartwheel save looks like but i think im on your wavelength.
reminds me of sundays...."keeper, you got hands. fooking use em".
people are making their view on what they have seen and even if he does turn into Gordon Banks/Lev Yashins lovechild in the future it wont change the fact he's been jank in his first four games for us
He looks like he'd rather take one in the two fruit and veg than he would catch the ball, strange really. The problem it has is the longer he's played the more opponents will pick up on him and target him on the lack of catching, if they are first onto the rebounds they could net for fun. I'd prefer Hamer in goal but if this guy gets some confidence, and a no nonsense approach aka leather the ball out for a throw if in trouble, he'd be ok
I did try to point out the style of the game in the UK is fundamentally different to that experienced by Thurams' in playing only 2 seasons of senior football in Ligue 1 - Ligue 2
Hamer has had 6 seasons in senior football.
In terms of the style of football these are the statistics for Thurams' 2012/13 season Total Games 38 : Home - 19 : Away - 19 Total Minutes Played 3420 : Home - 1710 : Away - 1710 Goals Conceded 61 : Home - 24 : Away - 37 Saves (Stops) 40 : Home - 22 : Away - 18 Saves (Diversions) 101 : Home - 49 : Away - 52 Fouls suffered 7 : Home - 4 : Away - 3
I have no idea how accurate these statistics are, but they do suggest the game is much more technical. The game in Ligue 1 is rarely played in the penalty area .
These statistics are for a goalkeeper playing for side in a relegation season during which he made circa 4 saves a game and in 38 games was fouled just 7 times!
In the Championship you get fouled 7 times a game. The championship is a very different experience.
Whether he will ultimately settle into the challenge I do not know, but he will need to develop his confidence and will need our support.
Mate he done a Cartwheel save whilst playing out in france. The blokes played for Monaco. They are a TOP team. Champions league quality. I think some people need to realise that.....He must have some class about him.
My view is Thuram is probably better than he has shown in his first four games and given time would adapt to the English game but given our current situation we cannot afford to allow him to continue his football education in our first team.
Another point would be given that we currently have 6 loanees ( including Koc ) and putting Dillon Phillips on the bench might allow us room for another loanee in the match day squad.
The 'optics' are important, especially for a goalkeeper (ie. do they look credible, regardless of whether they are credible?).
However I don't think you get to play in the French top division and for the national U21 side unless you have something about you. He just hasn't shown it yet (and arguably hasn't been given much of an opportunity to do so).
I think he has been unfairly judged. I have only seen him in the two home games and have thought he has been not too bad. Expected the worst after hearing reports about him punching everything but can't remember him punching too much. He is a bit different to what we have had before but give him games and I think he will be fine. Let's remember although Hamer was great last night he has had his flappy moments in the past.
Assume now that Thuram will get an extended run in the team - although I hope we continue to play Hamer. I stand by my earlier post that Thuram will cost us points, having already cost us the game at Middlesbrough with what should have been a routine save for a Championship level keeper.
Very unhappy with the above post calling Illic eccentric, a keeper whose introduction to the 1st team in Feb 1998 saw us storm to the Play Offs and The Prem with clean sheet after clean sheet and whose Prem career, as with Mendonca, was cruelly cut short by injury.
I have an uneasy feeling that playing Thuram will come to personify the RD philosophy and illustrate all that we now know to be wrong with the current owners philosophy about moving his "assets" around his collection of clubs
Lets hope Hamer does continue as our number 1 - becuase he is just that. But all those who have defended Thuram so strongly may now get to see an extended run with him in the first team.
Assume now that Thuram will get an extended run in the team - although I hope we continue to play Hamer. I stand by my earlier post that Thuram will cost us points, having already cost us the game at Middlesbrough with what should have been a routine save for a Championship level keeper.
Very unhappy with the above post calling Illic eccentric, a keeper whose introduction to the 1st team in Feb 1998 saw us storm to the Play Offs and The Prem with clean sheet after clean sheet and whose Prem career, as with Mendonca, was cruelly cut short by injury.
I have an uneasy feeling that playing Thuram will come to personify the RD philosophy and illustrate all that we now know to be wrong with the current owners philosophy about moving his "assets" around his collection of clubs
Lets hope Hamer does continue as our number 1 - becuase he is just that. But all those who have defended Thuram so strongly may now get to see an extended run with him in the first team.
Illic was great until the injury he got at Chelsea, wasn't the same after that.
I don't know about this.... Do we just cheer because they are wearing a Charlton shirt or do we voice our displeasure to try and get our best team playing?
Personally I don't know how to act when I know that our best players might not be allowed to play.... It's a very very strange situation.
What would you do for example if they put Cousins in goal. A player we all love, but the decision would be a ludicrous one, and the only way we would be able to get that across is by making vocal noise, because I get the feeling that when they want to play certain players they will play no matter what.
I just don't understand how we can go against deliberately weak team selections....
As mentioned it's not his choice he's picked he doesn't say hamer out or anything of the like so if he's picked we support him even though we may dislike the decision
Assume now that Thuram will get an extended run in the team - although I hope we continue to play Hamer. I stand by my earlier post that Thuram will cost us points, having already cost us the game at Middlesbrough with what should have been a routine save for a Championship level keeper.
Very unhappy with the above post calling Illic eccentric, a keeper whose introduction to the 1st team in Feb 1998 saw us storm to the Play Offs and The Prem with clean sheet after clean sheet and whose Prem career, as with Mendonca, was cruelly cut short by injury.
I have an uneasy feeling that playing Thuram will come to personify the RD philosophy and illustrate all that we now know to be wrong with the current owners philosophy about moving his "assets" around his collection of clubs
Lets hope Hamer does continue as our number 1 - becuase he is just that. But all those who have defended Thuram so strongly may now get to see an extended run with him in the first team.
How many goals and points has Hamer lost us!!! Shockingly bad himself!!
I haven't defended Thuram but think he should be given a chance rather than being dismissed simply because he comes for one of Roland's teams.
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Ross Worner
Spring to mind straight away. I'm sure I could come up with a few more as well. Rob Elliot always concerned me as his positioning wasn't great.
With Thuram, he hasn't been playing over in Belgium, therefore he needs to build up match fitness, he also needs to adjust to the speed of the game over here.
Technically I would say that Hamer and Thuram are on a similar level with the edge going slightly to Thuram. Reason being Thuram is better at coming off his line and, I believe, dealing with crosses.
People seem to forget Hamer did not like claiming crosses in his own 6 yard box, set pieces he would leave up to defenders rather than deal with himself.
Thuram punches the ball, this is a common theme for keepers outside of England, we may not like it but you just need to watch Rob Green's performance on Saturday to see that catching the ball isn't necessarily the right technique.
Kicking wise, he is weak but the ball going to the wing was a planned play (watch Jackson go straight to the sideline for each kick), our strikers couldn't win it in the air so we had to adjust.
He's unorthodox but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
With regards to the Hamer chant, I thought that was wrong, hopefully those that started that chant up will do exactly the same thing when Hamer screws up (if he gets back into the team) but I doubt it. Thuram was marked as the scapegoat before he even stepped foot on the pitch.
Ok his kickings not great but Maybee he's used to playing out short from the back
And he likes to punch rather than catch Maybee this is how he was coached??
Hamer's made far more mistakes
reminds me of sundays...."keeper, you got hands. fooking use em".
But..........please don't make too much noise or you might disturb the vote-count for Hamer as FA CUP Man of the Round in the next room
Hamer has had 6 seasons in senior football.
In terms of the style of football these are the statistics for Thurams' 2012/13 season
Total Games 38 : Home - 19 : Away - 19
Total Minutes Played 3420 : Home - 1710 : Away - 1710
Goals Conceded 61 : Home - 24 : Away - 37
Saves (Stops) 40 : Home - 22 : Away - 18
Saves (Diversions) 101 : Home - 49 : Away - 52
Fouls suffered 7 : Home - 4 : Away - 3
I have no idea how accurate these statistics are, but they do suggest the game is much more technical. The game in Ligue 1 is rarely played in the penalty area .
These statistics are for a goalkeeper playing for side in a relegation season during which he made circa 4 saves a game and in 38 games was fouled just 7 times!
In the Championship you get fouled 7 times a game. The championship is a very different experience.
Whether he will ultimately settle into the challenge I do not know, but he will need to develop his confidence and will need our support.
Another point would be given that we currently have 6 loanees ( including Koc ) and putting Dillon Phillips on the bench might allow us room for another loanee in the match day squad.
However I don't think you get to play in the French top division and for the national U21 side unless you have something about you. He just hasn't shown it yet (and arguably hasn't been given much of an opportunity to do so).
He is a bit different to what we have had before but give him games and I think he will be fine.
Let's remember although Hamer was great last night he has had his flappy moments in the past.
As for people moaning about him being eccentric, cast your mind back to illic, he used to chase the ball all the way to the corner flag.
Very unhappy with the above post calling Illic eccentric, a keeper whose introduction to the 1st team in Feb 1998 saw us storm to the Play Offs and The Prem with clean sheet after clean sheet and whose Prem career, as with Mendonca, was cruelly cut short by injury.
I have an uneasy feeling that playing Thuram will come to personify the RD philosophy and illustrate all that we now know to be wrong with the current owners philosophy about moving his "assets" around his collection of clubs
Lets hope Hamer does continue as our number 1 - becuase he is just that. But all those who have defended Thuram so strongly may now get to see an extended run with him in the first team.
Personally I don't know how to act when I know that our best players might not be allowed to play.... It's a very very strange situation.
What would you do for example if they put Cousins in goal. A player we all love, but the decision would be a ludicrous one, and the only way we would be able to get that across is by making vocal noise, because I get the feeling that when they want to play certain players they will play no matter what.
I just don't understand how we can go against deliberately weak team selections....
I haven't defended Thuram but think he should be given a chance rather than being dismissed simply because he comes for one of Roland's teams.