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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
    I don’t mind Dier but he’s not top class for me. Always has a mistake in him. I think CB is a bit of a weakness for us, he wouldn’t have been entering conversations in the past, I think it’s more how our quality has fallen than his form putting himself into contention. 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
    I don’t mind Dier but he’s not top class for me. Always has a mistake in him. I think CB is a bit of a weakness for us, he wouldn’t have been entering conversations in the past, I think it’s more how our quality has fallen than his form putting himself into contention. 
    Not sure he makes many mistakes.. He is just 6-7 out of 10 every week. I wouldn't mind Dier starting alongside Stones, pretty solid pairing, bit of pace as well.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
    I don’t mind Dier but he’s not top class for me. Always has a mistake in him. I think CB is a bit of a weakness for us, he wouldn’t have been entering conversations in the past, I think it’s more how our quality has fallen than his form putting himself into contention. 
    He's not top class in the bracket of Ferdinand or Terry or Campbell but the very fact he's a regular for Spurs and plays in Europe every season for me gives him the nod over someone like Coady or Guehi. I'd also feel far more confident with him playing than i would Maguire who a) isn't playing for his club and b) his confidence is shot to pieces.

    It's just unfortunate that at a time when we've got so many good young attacking players (and right backs), we've got a real lack of quality centre backs.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
    I don’t mind Dier but he’s not top class for me. Always has a mistake in him. I think CB is a bit of a weakness for us, he wouldn’t have been entering conversations in the past, I think it’s more how our quality has fallen than his form putting himself into contention. 
    He's not top class in the bracket of Ferdinand or Terry or Campbell but the very fact he's a regular for Spurs and plays in Europe every season for me gives him the nod over someone like Coady or Guehi. I'd also feel far more confident with him playing than i would Maguire who a) isn't playing for his club and b) his confidence is shot to pieces.

    It's just unfortunate that at a time when we've got so many good young attacking players (and right backs), we've got a real lack of quality centre backs.
    Agreed, I’d definitely have him over Coady. Not a huge fan of Guehi from what I’ve seen, although he’s got plenty of time to develop. Not sure about Maguire, tough because he has generally been good for England. 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,856
    How did he play yesterday?
    only saw the foul that led to the free kick for Forest goal 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    MrOneLung said:
    How did he play yesterday?
    only saw the foul that led to the free kick for Forest goal 
    I thought he was pretty shaky
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Oh dear... about Joe going to the World Cup...
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    Brilliant assist for Gomez. 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited October 2022
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
    I don’t mind Dier but he’s not top class for me. Always has a mistake in him. I think CB is a bit of a weakness for us, he wouldn’t have been entering conversations in the past, I think it’s more how our quality has fallen than his form putting himself into contention. 
    He's not top class in the bracket of Ferdinand or Terry or Campbell but the very fact he's a regular for Spurs and plays in Europe every season for me gives him the nod over someone like Coady or Guehi. I'd also feel far more confident with him playing than i would Maguire who a) isn't playing for his club and b) his confidence is shot to pieces.

    It's just unfortunate that at a time when we've got so many good young attacking players (and right backs), we've got a real lack of quality centre backs.
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  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,850
    ricky_otto said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    MrOneLung said:
    you cant pick him on one good game against City.

    Just go back a page or two and see comments after the Man Utd / Napoli games
    But he deserves the chance to be in a 26 man squad especially with James potentially out. See above re Maguire's form. It's all about confidence and Gomez has enough games between now and the World Cup to prove that it has returned. 
    Not sure he does yet, he's had one or two decent games all season. He needs to carry on this form before he even enters Southgate's thinking. Even with James out you'd expect Tripper and TAA to be the two right backs. It could well be White and Gomez fighting for one spot. 
    Who are these centre backs that are ahead of him though ?  
    Probably Stones, Maguire, Dier and then maybe Tomori and Coady 
    If that's the case then we have no chance because Maguire, Dier, Tomori and Coady aren't that good.
    Maguire has been very good for England and Tomori is doing well in Milan. Can't say I disagree about Dier or Coady. Our CB's in general aren't that good to be honest, we're behind at least 6/7 teams in that area. 
    Dier always seems to get slated but he must be doing something right to be a regular for a top 4/top 6 side for the past 7-8 seasons. 
    I don’t mind Dier but he’s not top class for me. Always has a mistake in him. I think CB is a bit of a weakness for us, he wouldn’t have been entering conversations in the past, I think it’s more how our quality has fallen than his form putting himself into contention. 
    He's not top class in the bracket of Ferdinand or Terry or Campbell but the very fact he's a regular for Spurs and plays in Europe every season for me gives him the nod over someone like Coady or Guehi. I'd also feel far more confident with him playing than i would Maguire who a) isn't playing for his club and b) his confidence is shot to pieces.

    It's just unfortunate that at a time when we've got so many good young attacking players (and right backs), we've got a real lack of quality centre backs.
    Campbell would have got a lot more caps if he wasn’t black - so he says anyway 

    Yeah, England only gave him 73 caps so clearly there was racism at play!

    Mind you, Campbell probably also thinks he should've been Prime Minister too and it's all everyone else's fault that he wasn't!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
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  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    I hope Joe doesn't fancy a move over there. 

    From a club perspective, is our sell-on fee a fixed percentage?
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    I may be wrong but I believe Joe’s agent was involved in Ahmed Kone’s move over to Qatar so there are presumably links already
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    I believe so too. Liverpool will be in a position of wanting to keep Joe, especially with VVD now suspended and a mini CB crisis at the club. He played very well against Newcastle.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,856
    kentaddick said:
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
    Yeah, why would an injury prone player who has not established himself at his club move to Saudi Arabia for untold riches ?
  • DagenhamAddick
    DagenhamAddick Posts: 468
    How much is the sell on for Joe and is it still in place?
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,270
    kentaddick said:
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
    I think in the past 3 seasons he's proved he's not a top Prem defender if anything. Way too injury prone and made too many mistakes. People keep saying he needs to capitalise on the fact they have a defensive crisis, but the last times they've had these crisis' he's been one of the injured parties. I'd argue Konsa is a more established centre back than Gomez now, and would probably pick him for England ahead of Joe
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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,622
    He’s not for sale is Klopp speak for it’s gunna cost you.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    kentaddick said:
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
    Same reason everyone else is going there of course.

    The thing with Gomez is you never know if he's a game away from another long term (and possibly career ending) injury. If he's offered silly money for 2-3 years he'd be mad not to take it.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Please don’t leave Liverpool Joe.
    The money will go to the shambles destroying our club.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,572
    DagenhamAddick said:
    How much is the sell on for Joe and is it still in place?
    I believe it is 20% and we have not cashed in on it yet.  I am sure other lifers will correct me if im wrong.
  • DagenhamAddick
    DagenhamAddick Posts: 468
    Kap10 said:
    DagenhamAddick said:
    How much is the sell on for Joe and is it still in place?
    I believe it is 20% and we have not cashed in on it yet.  I am sure other lifers will correct me if im wrong.
    Thanks.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    kentaddick said:
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
    Same reason everyone else is going there of course.

    The thing with Gomez is you never know if he's a game away from another long term (and possibly career ending) injury. If he's offered silly money for 2-3 years he'd be mad not to take it.
    I thought he has just signed a 5 year contract with Liverpool 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    ross1 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    kentaddick said:
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
    Same reason everyone else is going there of course.

    The thing with Gomez is you never know if he's a game away from another long term (and possibly career ending) injury. If he's offered silly money for 2-3 years he'd be mad not to take it.
    I thought he has just signed a 5 year contract with Liverpool 
    Last year yes, up to 2027, and he earns (i think) around 75-85k a week. 

    But if Saudi offered him something silly like 250-300k a week for 3 years then he'd surely be off. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,792
    ross1 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    kentaddick said:
    Don’t understand why joe would go to Saudi. Still hasn’t really established himself 100% at Liverpool and would surely want to prove he’s a top prem defender. Otherwise he’d be wondering what if for the rest of his life. Plenty of time to make his millions in Saudi or the USA later on in his career
    Same reason everyone else is going there of course.

    The thing with Gomez is you never know if he's a game away from another long term (and possibly career ending) injury. If he's offered silly money for 2-3 years he'd be mad not to take it.
    I thought he has just signed a 5 year contract with Liverpool 
    As with all such contracts, they are a two way street - they give the player the certainty of being at a top club for a number of years but also enable the club to demand more and ensure that there isn't a forced sale as in the case of Kane. We've been there ourselves albeit on a smaller scale with "frees" such as the likes of Grant and Taylor. Chelsea have adopted offering 8 year contracts to get around FFP but by the same token they don't have to worry about a player coming to the end of theirs. Although I'm sure that a Winston Bogarde type situation really would leave them with egg on their faces - he didn't make a single PL appearance in his final three seasons at the Club and surely wishes it had been half a dozen years instead!
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,170
    Captain tonight (Thursday 9th Nov) away at Toulouse in Europe.  Hope he does well.
  • CheshireAddick
    CheshireAddick Posts: 1,305
    Apparently Joe Gomez is captain for tonight's match at Toulouse. There's not been many charlton players to have done that. Hopefully adds another 20million to his selling price 😅

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