People who think that nothing in the Qur'an encourages this are burying their heads in the sand. It is written in there, plain to see.
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement".
That verse is actually quite tame in comparison to others
yeah and the bible has plenty similar, point being that virtually all ancient religious texts are barbaric when read as literal didacticism rather than historical artefact or spiritual enquiry
The key difference is that Christianity has had an enlightenment, where the bibles are no longer taken literally, Islam has not, so Islamic culture is still stuck in the 7th Century, which is where most of the legitimisation of the barbarism stems from.
People who think that nothing in the Qur'an encourages this are burying their heads in the sand. It is written in there, plain to see.
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement".
That verse is actually quite tame in comparison to others
yeah and the bible has plenty similar
Any examples?
There are loads, just read the Old Testament, it's a lot less lovey dovey than the New Testament.
People who think that nothing in the Qur'an encourages this are burying their heads in the sand. It is written in there, plain to see.
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement".
That verse is actually quite tame in comparison to others
I could quote similar passages from the bible though, I fail to see your point.
Yes these old texts have religious hatred in them. They were written at a different time and I would like to think humanity has developed and improved since then. There are nutcases out there who abuse texts such as these for their own benefit. If you think these acts of extremism are committed for anything other than the personal gain of those who spout it please explain. This isn't about religion, this is about some prat committing violent crimes for the benefit of some leader they will never meet under the auspices of "Islam".
It's very easy to pick out texts (which have various translations) to support anti religious arguments for all religions, why does every terrorist attack need to turn into a discriminatory debate?
Give the victims and their families compassion and heart felt condolences, catch the bastards that are responsible and get justice, do your best to be vigilant and report any suspicious extremist behaviour and leave innocent people to live their lives. Don't use people's deaths as an excuse to attack verbally or otherwise whole religious groups.
10,000 /50,000 marched re the wars in Iraq etc 40,000 went to a post ramadan festival in Birmingham--------------why not have a march with numbers in excess of those "not in my name".
Individuals not standing up to loons re their own safety i fully understand ----but together in makes a huge statement.
We have been traveling in and out of major European cities over the last 4 weeks, the most shocking thing for me was how freely i could drive a Van/luton Lorry from here through all these cities without any checks on who i am or what i am carrying, it wasnt until i returned to the uk was any checks carried out, if these people wish to do these attacks they can quite freely all the time you can pass through europe without being checked
That would be as a result of the 30 year "troubles" in Northern Ireland. A lot of security and intelligence techniques were developed during that time. As someone pointed out many plots have been foiled over here.
But do you see Christians carrying out attacks like this in the name of their religion?
Muslims do this because you have people like anjem choudrey preaching hate against infidels and using passages like the one provided by cafcnick to spread the word of the prophet to enable their passage into 'paradise'.
I agree it's not all Muslims and it is the minority but people who deny that there's a problem within the religion of Islam are quite frankly deluded.
We have been traveling in and out of major European cities over the last 4 weeks, the most shocking thing for me was how freely i could drive a Van/luton Lorry from here through all these cities without any checks on who i am or what i am carrying, it wasnt until i returned to the uk was any checks carried out, if these people wish to do these attacks they can quite freely all the time you can pass through europe without being checked
Oh come on. You can also travel unchecked from Leeds to London with a bomb, remember?
But is it repetitive over years and years. Wasn't the IRA politically motivated as opposed to religiously?
Anyone who intends or carries out acts of terror on the innocent public in the name of religion deserves slaughtering. Most of the people carrying out these attacks are Muslims. I feel sorry for moderate Muslims as their name is being tarred with the same brush but at the same time these attacks are becoming more and more frequent from Muslims and you can't help but feel wary of potential attacks in the future.
But do you see Christians carrying out attacks like this in the name of their religion?
Muslims do this because you have people like anjem choudrey preaching hate against infidels and using passages like the one provided by cafcnick to spread the word of the prophet to enable their passage into 'paradise'.
I agree it's not all Muslims and it is the minority but people who deny that there's a problem within the religion of Islam are quite frankly deluded.
Anders Behring Breivik Scott Philip Roeder Lord's Resistance Army Eric Rudolph Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre Army of God James Charles Kopp John C. Salvi KKK Have a look in any African country as well.
Lots of common sense on here, but some very odd remarks too. Still waiting for an example from the bible of a similar verse to the one quoted from the quran. Saying, 'There are loads of examples ' isn't the same as giving an example. Yes, there is a problem within Islam - do denying it, but people seem to be wanting to blame Islam as a whole, which is like saying it's football's fault that hooliganism exists.
But do you see Christians carrying out attacks like this in the name of their religion?
Muslims do this because you have people like anjem choudrey preaching hate against infidels and using passages like the one provided by cafcnick to spread the word of the prophet to enable their passage into 'paradise'.
I agree it's not all Muslims and it is the minority but people who deny that there's a problem within the religion of Islam are quite frankly deluded.
Anders Behring Breivik Scott Philip Roeder Lord's Resistance Army Eric Rudolph Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre Army of God James Charles Kopp John C. Salvi KKK Have a look in any African country as well.
Kkk wasn't in the name of religion was it? As I said anyone carrying out these attacks in the name of religion need slaughtering, no matter what religion they follow.
Also as I say, is/was it as frequent as Islamic extremists
"I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Lots of common sense on here, but some very odd remarks too. Still waiting for an example from the bible of a similar verse to the one quoted from the quran. Saying, 'There are loads of examples ' isn't the same as giving an example. Yes, there is a problem within Islam - do denying it, but people seem to be wanting to blame Islam as a whole, which is like saying it's football's fault that hooliganism exists.
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
"I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
I don't know who said that and to be honest with you I can point you in the direction if the second sentence in my above post.
People who think that nothing in the Qur'an encourages this are burying their heads in the sand. It is written in there, plain to see.
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement".
That verse is actually quite tame in comparison to others
yeah and the bible has plenty similar, point being that virtually all ancient religious texts are barbaric when read as literal didacticism rather than historical artefact or spiritual enquiry
The difference being that the Bible has adapted, changed with the times. Mohammed stated that the Quoran must never be changed,ever, and whosoever does, will lose their head. It's the same now as it was originally. That's why we have these extreme interpretations, and they are just following Mohammed's writings. My wife is Muslim BTW.
When some says Islam, what do you honestly think of?......peace or death/destruction/bombs/war?
I dont think that of any other religion.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention during history class.
Or RS, or values, or sociology or just look at the whole picture instead of just negative publicity.
It's the same with people that go on about Muslims being offended by rememberence day and nativity plays, chrisymas songs etc. every Muslim I know in this country buys a poppy and embraces christmas. Even the mosque puts up christmas decs. Some people are quick t listen and spread negative comments and not see the whole picture.
Please remember that the vast, vast majority of victims of Islamic fundamentalism in 2014, have themselves been Muslim.
Makes it even worse then that the so called moderate Islam stills does nothing to look after its own
Serious question - what do you want them to do?
Something what happens here when the far right march or protest, people stand up to them.
Surely the moderates could stand up and be counted be more pro active within their own communities, promote peace, promote harmony, promote that anything other than Islam is not evil.
"I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
I don't know who said that and to be honest with you I can point you in the direction if the second sentence in my above post.
It's a quote from the peace loving bible, which another poster had requested.
It depends what time scale you're talking about, the last 10 years? Probably not. The last 2,000 - almost certainly.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not a defender of Islam, I believe all religion to be equally dangerous, if it was up to me I'd have a way with the lot.
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Yes these old texts have religious hatred in them. They were written at a different time and I would like to think humanity has developed and improved since then. There are nutcases out there who abuse texts such as these for their own benefit. If you think these acts of extremism are committed for anything other than the personal gain of those who spout it please explain. This isn't about religion, this is about some prat committing violent crimes for the benefit of some leader they will never meet under the auspices of "Islam".
Give the victims and their families compassion and heart felt condolences, catch the bastards that are responsible and get justice, do your best to be vigilant and report any suspicious extremist behaviour and leave innocent people to live their lives. Don't use people's deaths as an excuse to attack verbally or otherwise whole religious groups.
Individuals not standing up to loons re their own safety i fully understand ----but together in makes a huge statement.
Muslims do this because you have people like anjem choudrey preaching hate against infidels and using passages like the one provided by cafcnick to spread the word of the prophet to enable their passage into 'paradise'.
I agree it's not all Muslims and it is the minority but people who deny that there's a problem within the religion of Islam are quite frankly deluded.
I dont think that of any other religion.
Anyone who intends or carries out acts of terror on the innocent public in the name of religion deserves slaughtering. Most of the people carrying out these attacks are Muslims. I feel sorry for moderate Muslims as their name is being tarred with the same brush but at the same time these attacks are becoming more and more frequent from Muslims and you can't help but feel wary of potential attacks in the future.
Scott Philip Roeder
Lord's Resistance Army
Eric Rudolph
Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre
Army of God
James Charles Kopp
John C. Salvi
KKK
Have a look in any African country as well.
Still waiting for an example from the bible of a similar verse to the one quoted from the quran. Saying, 'There are loads of examples ' isn't the same as giving an example.
Yes, there is a problem within Islam - do denying it, but people seem to be wanting to blame Islam as a whole, which is like saying it's football's fault that hooliganism exists.
As I said anyone carrying out these attacks in the name of religion need slaughtering, no matter what religion they follow.
Also as I say, is/was it as frequent as Islamic extremists
It's the same with people that go on about Muslims being offended by rememberence day and nativity plays, chrisymas songs etc. every Muslim I know in this country buys a poppy and embraces christmas. Even the mosque puts up christmas decs. Some people are quick t listen and spread negative comments and not see the whole picture.
Surely the moderates could stand up and be counted be more pro active within their own communities, promote peace, promote harmony, promote that anything other than Islam is not evil.
It depends what time scale you're talking about, the last 10 years? Probably not. The last 2,000 - almost certainly.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not a defender of Islam, I believe all religion to be equally dangerous, if it was up to me I'd have a way with the lot.