Has anyone tried to contact Peter Varney to see if we could do something similar to what rangers did a few years ago where we get enough people to give him to hold our season ticket money until we are happy with the state of the club and the direction. If we make this public enough sponsors and advertising would surely go down for the business.
Following from my last post
We could also get people while they are queuing if they are interested in holding their money, get names and e-mail adresses so we are going to them not them having to find us. Also it's a great way to say f**k you to the only 2% opinion.
I am happy to put my season ticket money into a separate account. I have 1 adult, 2 kids in the west stand, I think it's around £450. Alwaysneil@hotmail.com
When it has reached the point where e-mails are leaked to VOTV, it has to be clear that there isn't going to be any future deal. Whatever that future deal was!
Certainly nothing amicable. And can't see that there is any easy way for there to be a hostile successful bid.
Oh, unless 90% of season ticket holders gave their money to a PV controlled escrow account with appropriate guarantees of (admittedly limited) but significant shares of those fans of say up to 25% in the new club structure.
Problem with that is the concept of ex season ticket buyers trusting handing their money to someone who may just wander off with it or go bust with it would need a properly segregated account for that money and good tracking of who gave it so it can go back. If that can be provided it could work.
PV should have used Facebook or Twitter instead of an email once it became clear that he was being ignored. That's what people do nowadays when they are not happy with the service at the restaurant or cinema.
The black and white scarfs have been a roaring success and as you say fanny, wave them around while singing the Varney and email songs. I admit now i went too far when i appeared as Al Johnson outside the west stand, I may have taken the Black and white theme too far.
I am happy to put my season ticket money into a separate account. I have 1 adult, 2 kids in the west stand, I think it's around £450. Alwaysneil@hotmail.com
Me too, Alwaysneil.
PV could hold 5 years' worth and I'd still be happy.
The black and white scarfs have been a roaring success and as you say fanny, wave them around while singing the Varney and email songs. I admit now i went too far when i appeared as Al Johnson outside the west stand, I may have taken the Black and white theme too far.
I am happy to put my season ticket money into a separate account. I have 1 adult, 2 kids in the west stand, I think it's around £450. Alwaysneil@hotmail.com
Me too, Alwaysneil.
PV could hold 5 years' worth and I'd still be happy.
I'd have to ask the Upbeats to give last years back but your welcome to next years.
Genuine question Prague. Why is Richard Murray sitting silently (or as it would appear) and effectively allowing this ownership to destroy our club?
Perhaps he was duped by them and hence defended them and their plan hence his defence and support of them in the November meeting but surely things have deteriorated since then?
Why is he there in that position which is dressed up as a link to our past when surely admiration for all the good things he has done over the years is eroding daily?
If you can't perhaps Henry can answer as I know he is forthright in his opinion on other staff and ex employees/ trust members and has/ had a dialogue with him?
I just find it odd that RM is putting himself up for criticism. Surely if he is advising them/ ranting at them daily it's clear they are not listening so why hang around and further tarnish his once excellent reputation at the club by appearing to be in league with the fools killing our club.
I'm not meaning to be confrontational to either you or Henry in this post but it just puzzles me the relative silence from you both on Murray's relative silence.
If he turned round and said I cannot work with these people any longer and sit by watching them destroy the club with total disregard for its history, tradition and supporters then he would be back to hero status for it with many of us. Cannot see what he is achieving by sticking around.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
The way I see it, a potential meeting with RD/KM and PV would be like David Brent trying to negotiate with Bill Gates. One is knowledgable with a proven success rate, and one thinks he is.
I'm not going to take anything away from Roland's electronics empire, the guy obviously has quite a knack for traditional business; but football isn't a traditional business. Much like Politics wasn't either..
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
The black and white scarfs have been a roaring success and as you say fanny, wave them around while singing the Varney and email songs. I admit now i went too far when i appeared as Al Johnson outside the west stand, I may have taken the Black and white theme too far.
I am happy to put my season ticket money into a separate account. I have 1 adult, 2 kids in the west stand, I think it's around £450. Alwaysneil@hotmail.com
Me too, Alwaysneil.
PV could hold 5 years' worth and I'd still be happy.
I'd have to ask the Upbeats to give last years back but your welcome to next years.
Be happy to give my next year's ST money to PV as well.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
surely time for PV to approach RD directly?
and, as said before, the new on line article and call to arms on Saturday needs to be a sticky with flashing lights if possible.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
I hadn't thought of it like that. Possible I suppose although Luzon's introduction suggested RD has the reigns.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
Maybe 'somebody' could find out what it was and e-mail RD the details so he knows what he missed out on!
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
Is a move to Swanscombe part of the plan?
Categorically not. I can't answer 20 questions on this, much as I appreciate we all want answers, but one thing that has been made very clear is that it is not about that.
every day she shows her nievity and inexperience . All she had to do was meet PV and then she could dismiss the offer and come up with whatever bollox to say why she it isnt for RD. Now she just looks like a silly little kid hiding behind the sofa .
posted this is another thread but better off here, plus a question:
Plenty of hyperbole on here and other threads about these emails! Interestingly none of which comes from the author himself.
Really interesting insight and I appreciate the content being allowed to do the talking.
Varney has surely been round the block enough times for this to have happened before. He's got a proposal that they don't want to hear, so he's gone public to force the issue. Good on him, and a good move as so far when the supporters have pushed some, albeit limited, ground has been made in terms of communication.
Think it's pretty clear that we need to follow the suggested course of action by AB on this, if we can help bring them to the table then we need to do all we can. Peacefully and politely or the siege mentality continues im afraid.
Really intrigued to know about the varney, Murray dynamic, but I guess this will come out in the wash too.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
Is a move to Swanscombe part of the plan?
Categorically not. I can't answer 20 questions on this, much as I appreciate we all want answers, but one thing that has been made very clear is that it is not about that.
On a scale where 1 is a sponsorship/marketing arrangement and 100 is a full or part purchase of the club can you indicate roughly what number you would give this proposal?
Thanks. Reason I ask is because of the effect of oil prices on their ability to invest. If they're non state it's better, but any Kuwaiti investment will be hit hard next year.
I'm there in a couple of weeks so will ask about them, providing we don't already know all about them by then.
KM & RM know that there is a demented old fool keeping them employed who doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to running a football club. They are hangers on, who have gained his trust and are no doubt rewarded handsomely. Why would they want to compromise that by entertaining a proposal from a serious player like Peter Varney. RD has probably been told that the meeting was a waste of time and that PV had nothing to offer.
It's unlikely Murray is being paid, although like others he is owed money. But I agree the risk to both his and Meire's current positions is likely to be a factor. And that RD will not be fully aware of the true situation - after all Meire hasn't bothered to establish what the offer is.
Is a move to Swanscombe part of the plan?
Categorically not. I can't answer 20 questions on this, much as I appreciate we all want answers, but one thing that has been made very clear is that it is not about that.
On a scale where 1 is a sponsorship/marketing arrangement and 100 is a full or part purchase of the club can you indicate roughly what number you would give this proposal?
Thanks. Reason I ask is because of the effect of oil prices on their ability to invest. If they're non state it's better, but any Kuwaiti investment will be hit hard next year.
I'm there in a couple of weeks so will ask about them, providing we don't already know all about them by then.
Agreed. Looks like they are a group real estate and investment businesses in Kuwait and across e MENA region. KEH set up to look at diversifying their investments into new regions/countries.
It won't shield them from the low oil price, as I am sure that will have a knock on effect in their main market, but I don't know them or their business split, so difficult to gauge.
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We could also get people while they are queuing if they are interested in holding their money, get names and e-mail adresses so we are going to them not them having to find us. Also it's a great way to say f**k you to the only 2% opinion.
Certainly nothing amicable. And can't see that there is any easy way for there to be a hostile successful bid.
Oh, unless 90% of season ticket holders gave their money to a PV controlled escrow account with appropriate guarantees of (admittedly limited) but significant shares of those fans of say up to 25% in the new club structure.
Just an idea.
Few season tickets sold. Very few.
That's what people do nowadays when they are not happy with the service at the restaurant or cinema.
Take things too far ?
Never ! Me too, Alwaysneil.
PV could hold 5 years' worth and I'd still be happy.
Hoping to get some money back ?
The way I see it, a potential meeting with RD/KM and PV would be like David Brent trying to negotiate with Bill Gates. One is knowledgable with a proven success rate, and one thinks he is.
I'm not going to take anything away from Roland's electronics empire, the guy obviously has quite a knack for traditional business; but football isn't a traditional business. Much like Politics wasn't either..
and, as said before, the new on line article and call to arms on Saturday needs to be a sticky with flashing lights if possible.
I can't remember for sure. Was Varney involved in the Slater/Jimenez takeover, or is my mind playing tricks on me?
Plenty of hyperbole on here and other threads about these emails! Interestingly none of which comes from the author himself.
Really interesting insight and I appreciate the content being allowed to do the talking.
Varney has surely been round the block enough times for this to have happened before. He's got a proposal that they don't want to hear, so he's gone public to force the issue. Good on him, and a good move as so far when the supporters have pushed some, albeit limited, ground has been made in terms of communication.
Think it's pretty clear that we need to follow the suggested course of action by AB on this, if we can help bring them to the table then we need to do all we can. Peacefully and politely or the siege mentality continues im afraid.
Really intrigued to know about the varney, Murray dynamic, but I guess this will come out in the wash too.
Is KEH a national interest, does anyone know?
He then left on, lets say, bad terms.
I'm there in a couple of weeks so will ask about them, providing we don't already know all about them by then.
It won't shield them from the low oil price, as I am sure that will have a knock on effect in their main market, but I don't know them or their business split, so difficult to gauge.
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