He should go as he's been losing the plot for a long while and the longer he stays the bigger cock he's making himself look.
Not a chance. He wants his money back and will do and say whatever they tell him to. It's such a shame to see a man who gave so much reduced to the role of a Belgian millionaire's rather pathetic puppet
Isn't this/shouldn't this be contractually written into the terms of the takeover? If it were my £7m owed I would certainly make sure that's the case. If it's contractually bound then he shouldn't really need to worry about being their mouthpiece/puppet
I'm not completely convinced about the Varney knight in shining armour stance. Was he not around when we got involved with Dowse Reed, Pardew, Parkinson,Slater Jimenez?
Both Murray and Varney played walk on parts in the Curbishley fairytale.
Fair criticism, although he was not around when Parkinson was appointed. Of the others, PV would probably take most responsibility for Pardew, but at the time we all supported his appointment, didn't we?
With Slater and Jimenez, the question must be what were the choices in December 2010? Pretty much administration and potential relegation to League Two. All kinds of shit followed for individuals, PV and me included, but the outcome for most people has been record-breaking promotion and then four seasons of Championship football.
The Dowie saga was documented in the court case and was largely at RM's instigation. In the end, owners appoint managers.
As for a walk-on part, maybe, but look at the investment he brought in while chief executive - and indeed afterwards. All credit to RM for appointing Curbs, and indeed PV, but raising money needed something different. They all played a big part.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
We're not spoilt for choice here. While there has been other interest there's no telling whether that stacks up. The alternatives as I see them are RD/KM or the PV investor.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
I'm not completely convinced about the Varney knight in shining armour stance. Was he not around when we got involved with Dowse Reed, Pardew, Parkinson,Slater Jimenez?
Both Murray and Varney played walk on parts in the Curbishley fairytale.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
1) That's a shame, because I would feel more comfortable with PV in an executive role at the club (maybe one with an equity stake) rather than another unknown, even if he vouches for them.
I'm not completely convinced about the Varney knight in shining armour stance. Was he not around when we got involved with Dowse Reed, Pardew, Parkinson,Slater Jimenez?
Both Murray and Varney played walk on parts in the Curbishley fairytale.
Fair criticism, although he was not around when Parkinson was appointed. Of the others, PV would probably take most responsibility for Pardew, but at the time we all supported his appointment, didn't we?
With Slater and Jimenez, the question must be what were the choices in December 2010? Pretty much administration and potential relegation to League Two. All kinds of shit followed for individuals, PV and me included, but the outcome for most people has been record-breaking promotion and then four seasons of Championship football.
The Dowie saga was documented in the court case and was largely at RM's instigation. In the end, owners appoint managers.
As for a walk-on part, maybe, but look at the investment he brought in while chief executive - and indeed afterwards. All credit to RM for appointing Curbs, and indeed PV, but raising money needed something different. They all played a big part.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
We're not spoilt for choice here. While there has been other interest there's no telling whether that stacks up. The alternatives as I see them are RD/KM or the PV investor.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
This. And the choice will diminish if we fall further
I'm not completely convinced about the Varney knight in shining armour stance. Was he not around when we got involved with Dowse Reed, Pardew, Parkinson,Slater Jimenez?
Both Murray and Varney played walk on parts in the Curbishley fairytale.
Fair criticism, although he was not around when Parkinson was appointed. Of the others, PV would probably take most responsibility for Pardew, but at the time we all supported his appointment, didn't we?
With Slater and Jimenez, the question must be what were the choices in December 2010? Pretty much administration and potential relegation to League Two. All kinds of shit followed for individuals, PV and me included, but the outcome for most people has been record-breaking promotion and then four seasons of Championship football.
The Dowie saga was documented in the court case and was largely at RM's instigation. In the end, owners appoint managers.
As for a walk-on part, maybe, but look at the investment he brought in while chief executive - and indeed afterwards. All credit to RM for appointing Curbs, and indeed PV, but raising money needed something different. They all played a big part.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
We're not spoilt for choice here. While there has been other interest there's no telling whether that stacks up. The alternatives as I see them are RD/KM or the PV investor.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
Agreed Airman. I only said all that for reasons of balance. I know what they both did to support Curbs, but there is now a huge difference of opinion of both men. Literally polar opposites!
And the reason for that lays firmly at Murray's door.
I just don't see Varney as the angel Gabriel picture many are painting. But do agree he very much sounds like our best option at the moment. We can only hope that if he is successful he hasn't or doesn't have a 'Murray moment'.
Google translate; Roland Duchâtelet experience the nightmare just all over again, but abroad. Just like during his time with Standard gets to the chairman of Charlton in England as well as a supporters revolt. Board member Richard Murray (and former president) is trying to appease the fans meanwhile calm. Some half-time reading> #cafc fans protest against Roland Duchatelet regime at the Valley: https://t.co/SR2FU2Vs14 pic.twitter.com/EFLDqBG8FG - News Shopper Sports (NewsShopperSprt) Sat Nov 07 00:00:00 2015 WITH "Made in Charlton, destroyed by Belgians", the banners lied there last Saturday not to the fans of second division club Charlton Athletic. Currently Roland Duchâtelet the club on the desolate for last place and this is according to the fans, especially the policy of the former president and CEO of Standard Katrien Meire. Richard Murray, however, tries on the official club page of Charlton its chairman to act in. "Through the help of Roland we became financially stable. No owner wants to help a football club ruined. That would defy logic altogether," said the former president. "I think it's fair to say - and Roland indicates that far - he has underestimated the challenges of the Championship." Especially the transfer expenses exceed Duchâtelet introduced himself. "The expenditure underestimated the president especially. To more precisely are your biggest expense, namely transfers and players wages."
I'm not completely convinced about the Varney knight in shining armour stance. Was he not around when we got involved with Dowse Reed, Pardew, Parkinson,Slater Jimenez?
Both Murray and Varney played walk on parts in the Curbishley fairytale.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
1) That's a shame, because I would feel more comfortable with PV in an executive role at the club (maybe one with an equity stake) rather than another unknown, even if he vouches for them.
2) By about a million times.
Would like PV to be involved on a more permanent basis too, Davo but I trust him completely to give all the help & advice he's gained over he years to the new regime, whoever they are
But as for no 2 ......THIS with he shiniest, biggest knobs on !
The club is so badly run, it can't even issue a statement when it says it will. Murray answered a few set up questions, neglecting to answer any of the real questions. It wasn't a statement at all. What Murray said was reasonable enough, but what he didn't say or address spoke volumes. The owner may have taken forever to understand the strength of the Championship because of his unwillingness to listen to anybody who might know what they are talking about. What are we supposed to do, rejoice that he has figured it out and wait another two years to figure out the way he appoints managers and players is bonkers! We may be in League two by then. Murray, can you please f*** off and stop ballshitting us! You demean and shame yourself with every breath. You are pathetic! Walk away with with the little pride and respect you might have left. Admittedly very little!
I'm not completely convinced about the Varney knight in shining armour stance. Was he not around when we got involved with Dowse Reed, Pardew, Parkinson,Slater Jimenez?
Both Murray and Varney played walk on parts in the Curbishley fairytale.
Fair criticism, although he was not around when Parkinson was appointed. Of the others, PV would probably take most responsibility for Pardew, but at the time we all supported his appointment, didn't we?
With Slater and Jimenez, the question must be what were the choices in December 2010? Pretty much administration and potential relegation to League Two. All kinds of shit followed for individuals, PV and me included, but the outcome for most people has been record-breaking promotion and then four seasons of Championship football.
The Dowie saga was documented in the court case and was largely at RM's instigation. In the end, owners appoint managers.
As for a walk-on part, maybe, but look at the investment he brought in while chief executive - and indeed afterwards. All credit to RM for appointing Curbs, and indeed PV, but raising money needed something different. They all played a big part.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
We're not spoilt for choice here. While there has been other interest there's no telling whether that stacks up. The alternatives as I see them are RD/KM or the PV investor.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
Agreed Airman. I only said all that for reasons of balance. I know what they both did to support Curbs, but there is now a huge difference of opinion of both men. Literally polar opposites!
And the reason for that lays firmly at Murray's door.
I just don't see Varney as the angel Gabriel picture many are painting. But do agree he very much sounds like our best option at the moment. We can only hope that if he is successful he hasn't or doesn't have a 'Murray moment'.
I agree with his and your first post Carly. I might have over emphasised PV's role but I was looking to demonstrate that his track record suggests that RM was lucky once or twice and since his luck ran out has been shockingly bad. His decisions, most recently, have undermined all the good he ever did for us, in my view.
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With Slater and Jimenez, the question must be what were the choices in December 2010? Pretty much administration and potential relegation to League Two. All kinds of shit followed for individuals, PV and me included, but the outcome for most people has been record-breaking promotion and then four seasons of Championship football.
The Dowie saga was documented in the court case and was largely at RM's instigation. In the end, owners appoint managers.
As for a walk-on part, maybe, but look at the investment he brought in while chief executive - and indeed afterwards. All credit to RM for appointing Curbs, and indeed PV, but raising money needed something different. They all played a big part.
In any event, there is no plan for PV to return as a decision maker. He has a buyer who he is convinced would be good for the club, has the resources to return the club to the Premier League and would provide RD with a satisfactory exit route, which is unlikely to be available to him in League One.
We're not spoilt for choice here. While there has been other interest there's no telling whether that stacks up. The alternatives as I see them are RD/KM or the PV investor.
It's fair to question PV's record, as it is RM's, and god knows I've had some disagreements with him over the years. But isn't he a better bet than what we've got? I think so.
2) By about a million times.
I only said all that for reasons of balance.
I know what they both did to support Curbs, but there is now a huge difference of opinion of both men. Literally polar opposites!
And the reason for that lays firmly at Murray's door.
I just don't see Varney as the angel Gabriel picture many are painting. But do agree he very much sounds like our best option at the moment. We can only hope that if he is successful he hasn't or doesn't have a 'Murray moment'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35253634
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/950/Buitenlands-Voetbal/article/detail/2579012/2016/01/08/Directielid-Charlton-Duchatelet-heeft-Championship-onderschat.dhtml (among others)
Roland Duchâtelet experience the nightmare just all over again, but abroad. Just like during his time with Standard gets to the chairman of Charlton in England as well as a supporters revolt. Board member Richard Murray (and former president) is trying to appease the fans meanwhile calm.
Some half-time reading> #cafc fans protest against Roland Duchatelet regime at the Valley: https://t.co/SR2FU2Vs14 pic.twitter.com/EFLDqBG8FG
- News Shopper Sports (NewsShopperSprt) Sat Nov 07 00:00:00 2015 WITH
"Made in Charlton, destroyed by Belgians", the banners lied there last Saturday not to the fans of second division club Charlton Athletic. Currently Roland Duchâtelet the club on the desolate for last place and this is according to the fans, especially the policy of the former president and CEO of Standard Katrien Meire.
Richard Murray, however, tries on the official club page of Charlton its chairman to act in. "Through the help of Roland we became financially stable. No owner wants to help a football club ruined. That would defy logic altogether," said the former president. "I think it's fair to say - and Roland indicates that far - he has underestimated the challenges of the Championship." Especially the transfer expenses exceed Duchâtelet introduced himself. "The expenditure underestimated the president especially. To more precisely are your biggest expense, namely transfers and players wages."
But as for no 2 ......THIS with he shiniest, biggest knobs on !
( Even bigger than NLA's)