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Official 2016 Grand National Thread

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    Im really struggling to see Silviniaco Conti getting the trip and was one of the first of the fancied horses i eliminated
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    edited March 2016
    The furthest trip SC's run is in the Gold Cup, 3 times. Best performance in it on helpful Good ground in 2014 (commonly acknowledged to be a poor renewal) saw him wander off a straight line and overhauled up the hill, eliciting an RPR of 167 and comment by RP analyst that "3m on a flat track represents his ideal conditions".
    I agree.
    His best form and RPR (top 177) has come at 21~24f, the furthest at relatvely undemanding tracks such as Kempton and Haydock.
    Aintree's a flat track but if he couldn't assert at 3m+ 2.5 furlongs, why should he do so at 3m + 10.5 furlongs?

    PS Of the "class 3 milers" in the race, as picked out by starinnaddick earlier, IMO Sir Des Champs is the most appealing with 10.13 and at 40/1. With the prospect of a sound surface, which should suit, the return-from-injury doubt appears over-discounted in those odds.
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    Peanuts I know my flat horses but your knowledge and in depth analysis of jumps for the GN is second to none and I truly take my hat off to you its mesmerising.
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    I see portrait King is running in the Irish national tomorrow am I right in thinking that was one of peanuts selections for the aintree national last year
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    edited March 2016
    dmjn said:

    I see portrait King is running in the Irish national tomorrow am I right in thinking that was one of peanuts selections for the aintree national last year

    You are dead right dmjn and I'm not the only one on here that has a big soft spot for the old fella.
    Was going well in the GN but looking a bit one-paced when tipping up 3 out but was particularly unlucky in the Becher chase last Dec. Coming with a big run when jumping into the back of a rival and falling 2 out.
    Stats say he's too old and has too many miles on the clock for tomorrow but if I don't have the winner on my ticket I sure as hell hope it's old PK that takes the prize. He deserves a big one.
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    smiffyboy said:

    Peanuts I know my flat horses but your knowledge and in depth analysis of jumps for the GN is second to none and I truly take my hat off to you its mesmerising.

    You're way too kind smiffy.
    You and killer do it day in and day out but I'm just a once (or maybe 5 times, with the big staying handicaps) a year geezer.
    Anyway, see if you still think so when Siviniaco Conti romps home. :smiley:
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    If Silviniaco wins I will join you Peanuts with egg on our faces
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    Having a nibble on anything in the Irish GN killer?
    We were both sweet on Cause Of Causes for Aintree but being top-weight with his penalty today doesn't bode well.
    Last 10 renewals, the top-weight's performance reads:
    PPPFFP8P8P
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    In the the last 19 renewals no horse carrying 11st 4lbs or more has won and no horse rated 142 plus has won either so that rules out Cause Of Causes on both them stats Peanuts so no I will be leaving him well alone.To be honest I now have a shortlist of seven for the Irish National!!!
    Wrath Of Titans 28/1
    Kilford. 28/1
    Killer Crow. 14/1
    Ballyadam Approach. 50/1
    Venetian De Mai. 10/1
    Another Hero. 14/1
    Jacob 40/1
    Surely I don't back them all even though just the winner will give me a profit.......I will have another look after going through the rest of the day's racing.
    Peanuts just thought are we going off thread and getting into trouble now..........
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    Alert the threadkiller police!!

    What the hell. Good record of novices in the Irish GN makes it really tricky getting from the list of Possible to the final picks.
    Would never rule out a horse because it's fav but it's a problem if your "Stat-Possibles" include the 2 at the head of the market, as mine did.
    Bound to have picked the wrong one!

    Good luck killer.
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    One more stat for the Irish National, the last 34 of 36 places were filled by horses rated 128 to 142. That would take out Bearly Legal and Wrath of Titans, Peanuts. I've gone for an exacta comprising of BONNY KATE, VENITIEN DE MAI,CAPTAIN VON TRAPPE, UNIC DE BERSY & JAROB. Maybe an Elliott outsider to win?!
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    Well I think I'm ruling out Jarob now Peanuts so there is the winner everyone!

    Good luck Peanuts
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    edited March 2016
    Cause Of Causes a Non-runner as is Definite Ruby.
    I suspect a cheeky one by Elliott and/or JP to keep weights down for others.
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    edited March 2016

    One more stat for the Irish National, the last 34 of 36 places were filled by horses rated 128 to 142. That would take out Bearly Legal and Wrath of Titans, Peanuts. I've gone for an exacta comprising of BONNY KATE, VENITIEN DE MAI,CAPTAIN VON TRAPPE, UNIC DE BERSY & JAROB. Maybe an Elliott outsider to win?!

    Got to be a bit careful with bottom of that range Chief. OR's below 128 aren't always represented.

    x2 with 127 2015
    None 2014
    None 2013
    None 2012
    None 2011

    TBH, I'm very happy to have Wrath Of Titans on my slip.

    Good luck AddicktedOne.
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    Well I think I'm ruling out Jarob now Peanuts so there is the winner everyone!

    Good luck Peanuts

    Tend to agree given yesterday's rain but hey ho.
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    Surely between us all we must get the winner of the Irish National?!
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    edited March 2016

    One more stat for the Irish National, the last 34 of 36 places were filled by horses rated 128 to 142. That would take out Bearly Legal and Wrath of Titans, Peanuts. I've gone for an exacta comprising of BONNY KATE, VENITIEN DE MAI,CAPTAIN VON TRAPPE, UNIC DE BERSY & JAROB. Maybe an Elliott outsider to win?!

    Actually Chief, I'd rather use best chase RPRs achieved rather than current ORs for stat purposes as, logically, it could help sort the wheat from the chaff among the lightly-weighted runners.

    Interesting little statlet from this trend-analysis of the Irish GN: 9 of 10 winners posted a chase RPR of 133+ that season

    http://sportinglife.racecaller.com/horse-racing-forum/upcoming-big-races/irish-grand-national-trends-2016-1458869597


    If you modified it to chase RPR134+ ever, all 15 of last 15 winners would comply. Wrath of Titans complies with both versions, scoring a RPR134 in a Grade 1 nov chase in December behind No More Heroes.
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    Have gone for Bless the Wings and Thunder and Roses both e/w
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    Gone for Ballyadam Approach at 40/1
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    edited March 2016
    Jonjo tells RP after a racecourse gallop for Shutthefrontdoor today: "He's got to get the trip and that's a worry to me. I didn't think he got it last year but he loved the track and jumped great and if he does the same again he'll put up a bold show."
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    Gone for a follow-up win for Katie Walsh on Baie Des Iles at 32.0 on Betfair, with a small saver on Portrait King at 42.0.
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    Bu%%er me, what a gutsy win by the old Rogue.
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    Lucky Number 8 - all five races at Fairyhouse!
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    Wow, what a finish. A great performance by the winner.
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    edited March 2016

    Gone for Ballyadam Approach at 40/1

    Have gone for Bless the Wings and Thunder and Roses both e/w

    Nice one Gents...bad luck Stu
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    Touch had £5 ew on Rogue Angel nail butting finish
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    smiffyboy said:

    Touch had £5 ew on Rogue Angel nail butting finish

    Not a fetish I've heard of before, but well done on the butt bet! :smile:
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    Well done Smiffy and unlucky Stu,I knew between us we would get the winner. Thought my 50/1 shot was going to do it for a short while
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    edited March 2016
    Results for my "Hard Stats":
    1st - Max no of chases: 15 or less........CRAP
    2nd & 3rd - Younger than 11: ......CRAP
    Sorry about that Chaps...........back to the drawing board.
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    edited March 2016

    Gone for Ballyadam Approach at 40/1

    Have gone for Bless the Wings and Thunder and Roses both e/w

    Nice one Gents...bad luck Stu
    Cheers Peanuts. What a finish that was!

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