On the COL issue, Karl is reported as saying he wants to keep him around to pick his brains as much as anything. On the face of it, that is a good line to take which wasn't reported yesterday (still awaiting the 17 minute full press conference). I still have some doubts, but am prepared to take it at face value that there is some reasoning established regarding Congo Chris. Of course there is the unconfirmed report that Congo Chris interviewed Karl. and Karl reportedly had a long chat with Roland, who has known Congo Chris longer than Karl Robinson. So the first task is to get fit bodies out there, and win on Saturday.
if he was going back then why did they appoint him to the coaching team? If they had kept quiet he would have snuck off back to Belgium and we'd be none the wiser. Sorry Karl but I can't believe you on this one.
Am I correct in thinking that O'Loughlin has his Pro licence ? If I am then at least as far as his paperwork goes he's more qualified than a lot of managers are. Does Robinson ? Clark ? Nugent ? How many managers in general are less qualified ?
Now I'm not saying that having that piece of paper makes CO'L the next Wenger or Guardiola but it does show commitment and should attract some respect. Perhaps Robinson is doing just that. Respecting the credentials of the man and thinking that yes I could potentially learn something from him.
So have suggested that KR is arrogant. From what I've read and heard so far nothing seems further from the reality.
Am I correct in thinking that O'Loughlin has his Pro licence ? If I am then at least as far as his paperwork goes he's more qualified than a lot of managers are. Does Robinson ? Clark ? Nugent ? How many managers in general are less qualified ?
Now I'm not saying that having that piece of paper makes CO'L the next Wenger or Guardiola but it does show commitment and should attract some respect. Perhaps Robinson is doing just that. Respecting the credentials of the man and thinking that yes I could potentially learn something from him.
So have suggested that KR is arrogant. From what I've read and heard so far nothing seems further from the reality.
O'Loughlin might attract an ounce of respect had we not been through the Karel Fraeye and Guy Luzon eras and he wasn't the latest parachuted in from the network. He's not there on merit is he.
An optimistic scenario in my book would be if KR gets momentum, has the players and fans behind him and strikes up a relationship with RD that trumps his relationship with Daisy. KR side-lines Mowgli and we have an entirely different regime.
Could KR usurp Daisy’s role? KR would have to have 100% trust from Roland, but why not. She would be off like a shot at the first sign rather than allow any perceived failure mess up her contrived CV.
A strategy to support KR to the hilt while undermining Daisy might work. Our letters to Roland might just be a start.
Unlike Daisy, Roland has something to give – money - and I could live with a rich hermit who leaves the football aside alone, shows respect to the fans, to the club, and leaves us to define what match day experience we want.
The protests have been about Roland out, because it’s the means to an end - getting our Charlton back. From the latest utterings Roland clearly hasn’t got a clue what is going on, so we might find room to give him some slack and try the divide and rule approach so we only throw the dirty contaminated bath water out.
Hardly anybody on here has intimated that we should not give him a chance, but I remember back in the mist of time that Jose Riga in his first press conference that it was natural or normal for fans to be suspicious of a new manager. Riga did not ask to be given a chance but invited people to judge him on results. My vibe is that people here want Robinson to be successful, but as a support we have been so battered and bewildered it is no surprise Robinson isn't being given a blank cheque.
The difference though is that Riga was a complete unknown, with no experience of English football, who was brought in as Roland knew him already, and wanted someone to do things his way (allegedly).
Robinson is someone with experience of English football, and indeed of managing one of our rivals for the last season and a bit. He has far less baggage.
I always like a bit of positivity around the new manager. After all they may have learned from their mistakes.
Doesn't mean I want RD, KM and TK to leave any less now.
I don't think it is possible for them to run the club in an acceptable manner. But miracles do happen and making the club more attractive for a sale is all good with me :-)
He needs to understand that the fans are united - it is the regime that are the odd ones out. I'm afraid I am distinctly underwhelmed - Slade made rather more noises about being in charge and making the decisions. Robinson has a history of working for chairmen who do not understand a club's history and traditions - I see little evidence that he recognises that he now is at a club where such things matter.
He needs to understand that the fans are united - it is the regime that are the odd ones out. I'm afraid I am distinctly underwhelmed - Slade made rather more noises about being in charge and making the decisions. Robinson has a history of working for chairmen who do not understand a club's history and traditions - I see little evidence that he recognises that he now is at a club where such things matter.
Robinson has only worked for MK Dons as a manager and they have no history and tradition to understand.
..... from someone who has sat in a couple of his press conferences while he was at MK, I feel Robinson is more humble and thoughtful than many often perceive.
But he is also outspoken and brutally honest, something that after the last few yes men at Charlton could prove refreshing.
The 36-year-old doesn’t seem to be someone who will take kindly at being told what to do by those upstairs.
That forthright attitude may mean he receives the tools he needs to get Charlton fans back a side they can be proud of.
Alternatively, it could mean he tests the patience of the trigger happy owner Roland Duchatelet very quickly and the Belgian decides to put Charlton back to where they usually are by March – managerless.
He needs to understand that the fans are united - it is the regime that are the odd ones out. I'm afraid I am distinctly underwhelmed - Slade made rather more noises about being in charge and making the decisions. Robinson has a history of working for chairmen who do not understand a club's history and traditions - I see little evidence that he recognises that he now is at a club where such things matter.
Robinson has only worked for MK Dons as a manager and they have no history and tradition to understand.
They did before they were moved against the wishes of the fans.
He needs to understand that the fans are united - it is the regime that are the odd ones out. I'm afraid I am distinctly underwhelmed - Slade made rather more noises about being in charge and making the decisions. Robinson has a history of working for chairmen who do not understand a club's history and traditions - I see little evidence that he recognises that he now is at a club where such things matter.
Robinson has only worked for MK Dons as a manager and they have no history and tradition to understand.
They did before they were moved against the wishes of the fans.
That wasn't them ... AFC Wimbledon are, proudly, a different club.
He needs to understand that the fans are united - it is the regime that are the odd ones out. I'm afraid I am distinctly underwhelmed - Slade made rather more noises about being in charge and making the decisions. Robinson has a history of working for chairmen who do not understand a club's history and traditions - I see little evidence that he recognises that he now is at a club where such things matter.
1. Sorry, but the fans aren't united, far from it. 2. So he managed MK Dons. I doubt he gave the club's history, or lack thereof, much thought. It's was just a good opportunity for him. I think you're looking for reasons to not be cheerful.
I can well imagine that KR is happy to keep CO'L around, until he gets his assistant appointed.
If Richie Barker is Caretaker Manager at MKD, it could be a good few weeks before they release him, if they release him at all and then we'd have to approach someone else.
All seems sensible to me & I'm not naive enough to realise there are other possible reasons.
An optimistic scenario in my book would be if KR gets momentum, has the players and fans behind him and strikes up a relationship with RD that trumps his relationship with Daisy. KR side-lines Mowgli and we have an entirely different regime.
Could KR usurp Daisy’s role? KR would have to have 100% trust from Roland, but why not. She would be off like a shot at the first sign rather than allow any perceived failure mess up her contrived CV.
A strategy to support KR to the hilt while undermining Daisy might work. Our letters to Roland might just be a start.
Unlike Daisy, Roland has something to give – money - and I could live with a rich hermit who leaves the football aside alone, shows respect to the fans, to the club, and leaves us to define what match day experience we want.
The protests have been about Roland out, because it’s the means to an end - getting our Charlton back. From the latest utterings Roland clearly hasn’t got a clue what is going on, so we might find room to give him some slack and try the divide and rule approach so we only throw the dirty contaminated bath water out.
I could live with a rich hermit, if she looked after all my needs
I'm positive about Robinson, especially the idea that he'll play better football. Not convinced by what he has said about O'Loughlin.
To keep his job he'll need to win promotion this season and be comfortable in the Championship next season. For that to happen we need to improve the squad in January including keeping our better players, and keep improving the squad each window. Hard to see all that happening under RD.
In matters of the football, and in matters of understanding what the entity of a football club should be, he was very convincing. The interview also confirmed elements of other interviews he had at MKD that he wants to continue to learn and develop, and seek good advice when he can. I liked all the references he made to the football people at the club, the reference to Matt Holland, and Keith Peacock also linked to John Gorman, it indicated to me a man who has genuine passion for the game and loves his involvement in a phenomena that has links far and wide and into to past too. His personal football trajectory also suggests a man welded to the sport.
He certainly strikes me as a football man who is immersed in it all.
Robinson also talked interestingly about aspects of play, structures, player responsibility, balance, and he indicated an awareness of the work it takes to persuade players to his style, and to feel good about it.
I got the feeling that he is no mug when it comes down to it, if for some he comes across as a bit of a chancer I don't agree.
He also spoke well about his family, and the Charlton supporter he met at Bristol, and the vibe he feels regarding the people he met at Sparrows Lane training the youngsters. I also liked a lot what he said about attracting local young players because he was addressing an issue about a local connection, local pride and the emotions related to that 'one of our own' stuff.
Nothing in that interview about Congo Chris, or any of the coaching set up beyond a mention of Steve Avory, so I am not sure when he said anything yesterday about Richie Barker or COL.
He also spoke of transfers being decided by a kind of committee of which he will be part, and sensibly mentioned that there are always money constraints. This area might well be of huge significance I would suggest.
Karl got all dreamy when contemplating plans and exciting times ahead and aims and all that stuff, and he is sold on the Duchatelet way by the sound of it. Right now the job ahead for Karl certainly ought to be about big dreams, and I hope when reality kicks in he can deliver.
I actually believe he is a step up from Russell Slade as a manager, and certainly as an interviewee, and I really want him to deliver success.
At the very least, divorcing from the bigger picture, it is going to be interesting what he does on a football level and I am looking forward to seeing what he is made of on that side of his job.
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I still have some doubts, but am prepared to take it at face value that there is some reasoning established regarding Congo Chris.
Of course there is the unconfirmed report that Congo Chris interviewed Karl. and Karl reportedly had a long chat with Roland, who has known Congo Chris longer than Karl Robinson.
So the first task is to get fit bodies out there, and win on Saturday.
Now I'm not saying that having that piece of paper makes CO'L the next Wenger or Guardiola but it does show commitment and should attract some respect. Perhaps Robinson is doing just that. Respecting the credentials of the man and thinking that yes I could potentially learn something from him.
So have suggested that KR is arrogant. From what I've read and heard so far nothing seems further from the reality.
Full conference here.
Cuckoo Chris might well be a good coach who KR sees value in keeping around.
KR may also be following the old adage of keep your friends close but your enemies closer.
As I said before Karl comes over as a bit savy with all this media lark.
If only Roland can give him the support he deserves to make this managerial tenure different to the others
Could KR usurp Daisy’s role? KR would have to have 100% trust from Roland, but why not. She would be off like a shot at the first sign rather than allow any perceived failure mess up her contrived CV.
A strategy to support KR to the hilt while undermining Daisy might work. Our letters to Roland might just be a start.
Unlike Daisy, Roland has something to give – money - and I could live with a rich hermit who leaves the football aside alone, shows respect to the fans, to the club, and leaves us to define what match day experience we want.
The protests have been about Roland out, because it’s the means to an end - getting our Charlton back. From the latest utterings Roland clearly hasn’t got a clue what is going on, so we might find room to give him some slack and try the divide and rule approach so we only throw the dirty contaminated bath water out.
Robinson is someone with experience of English football, and indeed of managing one of our rivals for the last season and a bit. He has far less baggage.
The proof really is in whether KM and RD are prepared to give Robinson enough resources to complete the task.
Ambition 1 get promoted this year
Ambition 2 look good in the championship and challenge for premiership.
And stop interfering.
And if we get back to championship PROMOTE KM OUT OF THE CLUB.
Then I'll be feeling quite a bit more positive.
That's right children, this time it really will be completely different.
And Santa does exist and lives in Antwerp with his little elves and helpers.
Doesn't mean I want RD, KM and TK to leave any less now.
I don't think it is possible for them to run the club in an acceptable manner. But miracles do happen and making the club more attractive for a sale is all good with me :-)
..... from someone who has sat in a couple of his press conferences while he was at MK, I feel Robinson is more humble and thoughtful than many often perceive.
But he is also outspoken and brutally honest, something that after the last few yes men at Charlton could prove refreshing.
The 36-year-old doesn’t seem to be someone who will take kindly at being told what to do by those upstairs.
That forthright attitude may mean he receives the tools he needs to get Charlton fans back a side they can be proud of.
Alternatively, it could mean he tests the patience of the trigger happy owner Roland Duchatelet very quickly and the Belgian decides to put Charlton back to where they usually are by March – managerless.
wharf.co.uk/sport/what-karl-robinson-could-really-12239282
Oh dear - I fear Karl has fallen for it. Yes lying is an infectious disease.
2. So he managed MK Dons. I doubt he gave the club's history, or lack thereof, much thought. It's was just a good opportunity for him.
I think you're looking for reasons to not be cheerful.
If Richie Barker is Caretaker Manager at MKD, it could be a good few weeks before they release him, if they release him at all and then we'd have to approach someone else.
All seems sensible to me & I'm not naive enough to realise there are other possible reasons.
To keep his job he'll need to win promotion this season and be comfortable in the Championship next season. For that to happen we need to improve the squad in January including keeping our better players, and keep improving the squad each window. Hard to see all that happening under RD.
In matters of the football, and in matters of understanding what the entity of a football club should be, he was very convincing. The interview also confirmed elements of other interviews he had at MKD that he wants to continue to learn and develop, and seek good advice when he can. I liked all the references he made to the football people at the club, the reference to Matt Holland, and Keith Peacock also linked to John Gorman, it indicated to me a man who has genuine passion for the game and loves his involvement in a phenomena that has links far and wide and into to past too. His personal football trajectory also suggests a man welded to the sport.
He certainly strikes me as a football man who is immersed in it all.
Robinson also talked interestingly about aspects of play, structures, player responsibility, balance, and he indicated an awareness of the work it takes to persuade players to his style, and to feel good about it.
I got the feeling that he is no mug when it comes down to it, if for some he comes across as a bit of a chancer I don't agree.
He also spoke well about his family, and the Charlton supporter he met at Bristol, and the vibe he feels regarding the people he met at Sparrows Lane training the youngsters. I also liked a lot what he said about attracting local young players because he was addressing an issue about a local connection, local pride and the emotions related to that 'one of our own' stuff.
Nothing in that interview about Congo Chris, or any of the coaching set up beyond a mention of Steve Avory, so I am not sure when he said anything yesterday about Richie Barker or COL.
He also spoke of transfers being decided by a kind of committee of which he will be part, and sensibly mentioned that there are always money constraints. This area might well be of huge significance I would suggest.
Karl got all dreamy when contemplating plans and exciting times ahead and aims and all that stuff, and he is sold on the Duchatelet way by the sound of it. Right now the job ahead for Karl certainly ought to be about big dreams, and I hope when reality kicks in he can deliver.
I actually believe he is a step up from Russell Slade as a manager, and certainly as an interviewee, and I really want him to deliver success.
At the very least, divorcing from the bigger picture, it is going to be interesting what he does on a football level and I am looking forward to seeing what he is made of on that side of his job.
Roland that is, after all Karl's been to far more Charlton games.