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Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed. Pg 296 - Start of Deadline Day)
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RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit now2 -
Didn’t Gallen say in one of the interviews re Bonne they had been watching him for a couple of years (could be wrong)13
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I have to admit i am a little torn on AD. Selling a player with a year left on their contract whom is a RB, has only played a handful of games in L1 and is a long way from the finished article for £2M does not sound awful business.
In an ideal world he would have a couple of years left to run so we could run him in the Championship and maximise his value next summer but he only has a year and any sensible owner would surely therefore sell now rather than lose for nowt next summer (see Bauer and Aribo and likely Taylor and Sarr next summer).
So the question is, should RD have let him run his contract down? In hindsight, clearly not, but then a year ago would many on here have given him a significant pay rise to tie him longer? If I am honest then I wouldn’t.
Right now, I think there is an equal chance of him going on to be a £12M Konsa or a £0 Cousins. His first touch is often wanting and he is not the best in the air. We have tied down players to long contracts and got it wrong in the past with RD getting pelters, now they are shorter and we are wrong so he gets pelters again.
The issue for me is not the sale but the guaranteed lack of re-investment back into the squad.
Finally, I don’t buy the “don’t care how much we sell for” line, like a bad gambler RD is chasing his losses. If we miraculously found a player to flog for £20m i do think RD would reduce his price. He wants out but the issue is he wants his money back and currently his sunk money is too large for any sane buyer to give it to him.
who’d be an owner!
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I always try to stay optimistic but it is getting tougher lately.3
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He’s neither, it’s not black and white like that.ForeverAddickted said:
RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit now
He made 36 starts in a team that finished 3rd in League 1. If he was as bad some make out he wouldn’t have stayed in the team.
He’s in the same group as Pratley and Lapslie. Not as quick and/or skilful as others so written off as having nothing to offer in the Championship.2 -
"The club can confirm a 7-figure bid was made for a player on deadline day, but was unable to successfully negotiate terms with the selling club before the transfer window closed. The owner is disappointed, but remains confident that Lee Bowyer and his staff can navigate a tough Championship season ahead with the squad at his disposal."DOUCHER said:I have a feeling we may be pleasantly surprised about what happens to the bulk of he diksteel money - we shall see16 -
If a club has a wage structure (even if we might think it unrealistic) it's unlikely they'd break it for a young right back though.Cafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
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These days Solly seems to have little pace and doesn't able to get up and down the line as frequently as the last time we were in the Championship. His knackered knees need managing also.
He looks a little vulnerable in Bowyer's formations - whether as RB in a '4 at the back diamond', with no wide midfielder covering in front of him, or as RWB in a '3 at the back diamond'.
In plain English, I don't believe Solly is a good fit within Bowyers tactics and game plan.
If he should play as a conventional RB in a flat 4-4-2, with covering wide midfielder, I feel sure he'd cope with Championship just fine ..... remember he's a defender first with decent positional sense and sheer tenacity in the tackle are his strengths.
But that's not how Bowyer's teams play.
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Not sure how much you saw off last season but Solly is not an attacking RB. He can't take on an opposing defender & certainly can't cross. AD nailed down the RB position for the 2nd half of the season. Solly is not the player LB needs if he wants to play 5 at the back.ForeverAddickted said:
RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit now0 - Sponsored links:
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Sorry, quick follow up to my previous post.
Please don’t let Solly be this seasons whipping boy. Some of the posts on here are a bit cringy imo.
He has literally given his career to the club both in respect of being a one club man and by the fact his commitment to the cause and tackling in early years has destroyed his knees.
To me, he is a legend that has given 100% in every game I have watched him in and whom deserves the fans upmost respect probably more than just about every other player in recent times.
To say he is not up to the Championship when a) last time we were here he was voted player of the year twice and b) he has not kicked a ball yet this season is poor form.
Maybe his best years are behind him but he, of all players, deserves the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of a new season.60 -
If you look at the stats, I haven't so my anecdotal evidence is all all I have to go on, but the more games Jackson played over the last 5 years of his career, the lower we finished.ForeverAddickted said:
RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit now1 -
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Athletico Charlton said:Sorry, quick follow up to my previous post.
Please don’t let Solly be this seasons whipping boy. Some of the posts on here are a bit cringy imo.
He has literally given his career to the club both in respect of being a one club man and by the fact his commitment to the cause and tackling in early years has destroyed his knees.
To me, he is a legend that has given 100% in every game I have watched him in and whom deserves the fans upmost respect probably more than just about every other player in recent times.
To say he is not up to the Championship when a) last time we were here he was voted player of the year twice and b) he has not kicked a ball yet this season is poor form.
Maybe his best years are behind him but he, of all players, deserves the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of a new season.
Solly can be evaluated versus the league we are in without rubbishing all the great stuff he has done for us. I don’t think people are slagging him off at all - just offering an opinion on where he is as a player now3 -
What's the opinion on Wiredu ? Might be thrown in quicker than expected.0
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On that basis then Derek Hales should play up front because the last time he played in the 2nd tier he was mustard.Athletico Charlton said:Sorry, quick follow up to my previous post.
Please don’t let Solly be this seasons whipping boy. Some of the posts on here are a bit cringy imo.
He has literally given his career to the club both in respect of being a one club man and by the fact his commitment to the cause and tackling in early years has destroyed his knees.
To me, he is a legend that has given 100% in every game I have watched him in and whom deserves the fans upmost respect probably more than just about every other player in recent times.
To say he is not up to the Championship when a) last time we were here he was voted player of the year twice and b) he has not kicked a ball yet this season is poor form.
Maybe his best years are behind him but he, of all players, deserves the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of a new season.6 -
Re the AD situation. LB has to take a portion of the blame as he went on record 3 weeks ago saying that he doesn't want another Aribo situation & can't have young players running their contracts down & intimated that they might not be in the team if they didn't sign a new contract.
This probably not only exacerbated the issue but also alerted teams to our plight .....or certainly made his agent more proactive.5 -
Oh please, don't correlate JJ with that.Cafc43v3r said:
If you look at the stats, I haven't so my anecdotal evidence is all all I have to go on, but the more games Jackson played over the last 5 years of his career, the lower we finished.ForeverAddickted said:
RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit now2 -
Agree pretty much with all of that. Pace in this league is a lot lot quicker. He would come up against fast wingers almost every game so would need some help. Positioning isnt his problem and im sure Bowyer knows that.Oggy Red said:These days Solly seems to have little pace and doesn't able to get up and down the line as frequently as the last time we were in the Championship. His knackered knees need managing also.
He looks a little vulnerable in Bowyer's formations - whether as RB in a '4 at the back diamond', with no wide midfielder covering in front of him, or as RWB in a '3 at the back diamond'.
In plain English, I don't believe Solly is a good fit within Bowyers tactics and game plan.
If he should play as a conventional RB in a flat 4-4-2, with covering wide midfielder, I feel sure he'd cope with Championship just fine ..... remember he's a defender first with decent positional sense and sheer tenacity in the tackle are his strengths.
But that's not how Bowyer's teams play.
I cant see us going 442 much tho as we dont really have a fast winger ourselves.
It looks like Oshilaja may have to be tried if we dont get a replacement. Young Wiredu seems to have been getting some praise recently but ive not seen him so cant comment on him but me personally have no problem trying a youngster out and seeing if they can grab the chance.
Palace done it with Wan Bissaka and he took his chance, not comparing them directly, but point being he might step up. Wont make us 50m i am sure of that tho1 -
Steve Gibson is the complete antithesis of the utter pratt that has his name on our deeds.Rufus is a dogs name said:
And moving to a club that is backed by it's owner, not one that pulls the rug from under it's manager at every opportunity. Can't blame him!Laddick01 said:
Massive salary increase, playing for a club expected to be challenging at the top. Fair play.Redhenry said:Sorry to say this but yes, he wants the move2 - Sponsored links:
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Or Bowyer knew back then that AD wanted to leave?golfaddick said:Re the AD situation. LB has to take a portion of the blame as he went on record 3 weeks ago saying that he doesn't want another Aribo situation & can't have young players running their contracts down & intimated that they might not be in the team if they didn't sign a new contract.
This probably not only exacerbated the issue but also alerted teams to our plight .....or certainly made his agent more proactive.1 -
Steve Gibson once held the toilet door open for me when I was exiting the posh boys toilets in the West Stand. A lot shorter than I imagined (height wise), but yes the total opposite of Roly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Steve Gibson is the complete antithesis of the utter pratt that has his name on our deeds.Rufus is a dogs name said:
And moving to a club that is backed by it's owner, not one that pulls the rug from under it's manager at every opportunity. Can't blame him!Laddick01 said:
Massive salary increase, playing for a club expected to be challenging at the top. Fair play.Redhenry said:Sorry to say this but yes, he wants the move2 -
Next 3 days are so crucial. 5/6 becomes 6/7 now needed. Be very surprised to have 2/3 incomings tbh. Just as worried that a championship side might try a £1m Taylor bid. If I was a manager of a Reading or a Millwall then why not, well worth a punt?0
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Even if Solly is still up to it we another for the Saturday-Tuesday-etc. Dijksteel was Bowyer's first choice, however.ForeverAddickted said:
RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit nowJohnnysummers5 said:Redhenry said:
Heard Bonne wasn't a Bowyer signingCharltonByBlood said:Where did the money for Bonne come from? There must be some kind of system in place to recycle funds.
Otherwise if LB is given 200k as a budget for the season there is no way hes spending it all on a national league striker.
I don't know where you heard that, but when we signed him, Lee said they tried to sign him last January, to replace Grant and Steve Gallen had been watching him for 2 years and thought now was the right time to buy him, lets give Bonne a chance as well it can take awhile to settle into a new club0 -
Apart from the cross Solly put in at Plymouth for Taylor's goal you meangolfaddick said:
Not sure how much you saw off last season but Solly is not an attacking RB. He can't take on an opposing defender & certainly can't cross. AD nailed down the RB position for the 2nd half of the season. Solly is not the player LB needs if he wants to play 5 at the back.ForeverAddickted said:
RE: Chris Solly I think we have to wait and seeCafc43v3r said:2 questions if I may to the panel.
First is Chris Solly shit or an legend beyond criticism? As it's hard to tell between threads.
Second if AD has been offered 10k plus a week, if we offered 4k, a "sensible" owner would probably offer 7-8k, he wants to go, let him. Heads will be turned, quite rightly. If boro are offering him that salary, when would YOU have offered him a contract on that level? Start of last season, Christmas, start of this summer?
Remember boro have lost more than £150 million over the last 10 years including parachute payments etc
We wrote Jackson off so many times (at this level) only for us to defy us - Wouldnt be surprised if he has mixed performances and should be treated as that rather than just being regarded as shit now
He's been one of our most consistent crossers of the ball in League One, could certainly beat the first man unlike Fosu and Marshall10 -
"This is an interesting move and Parrott could prove to be an excellent capture, but you do worry about how much game time he is likely to get given Charlton’s strength in that area".Kinsella87 said:
Hope Roland doesn't read the above. Idiots.2 -
If you are hearing what i have heard then i would be over the moon. But you maybe suggesting completely different?DOUCHER said:I have a feeling we may be pleasantly surprised about what happens to the bulk of he diksteel money - we shall see
I dont do cryptic just say what i hear and im hearing Cullen coming back is a strong possibility12
