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Charlton v Barnsley | Sat 1 Feb | 3pm KO | Post-match Thread
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You forgot the modern Summers :-)Leuth said:
Yes and let's sign the modern Simonsen, the modern Jensen, the modern Bent, the modern Powell, the modern Shirtliff, the modern Bartram and the modern Hales while we're about itwmcf123 said:
That’s palpably not true - watch it again. With luck, next season brings genuinely solid defenders ; I’d settle for the modern versions of Rufus and Brown.Leuth said:He got sucked towards the ball because Pearce was backing away and there was no midfield present. It was a fair assumption that Doughty would help out too. You absolutely can't pin the goal on Sarr even though you so clearly want to1 -
I don’t have the energy to explain something that I am sure is so obvious to everyone else. But appreciate the thoughtFishCostaFortune said:
I actually originally wrote 'Maybe @Sage could explain the finer points of why this comment is so wrong'. But I didn't want to saddle you with it ha ha.Sage said:
Sometimes I wish there was a mute option like there is on Twitter.FishCostaFortune said:
*sigh*golfaddick said:
Tired players ?? They've just had 10 days without a game fgs. It wasn't like they played midweek.
I don't even have the energy to write a response to this.
It actually drains a little bit away from me when I read negative or things that show a lack of understanding like this.
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On the topic of midfielders, which have been mentioned higher up the thread, I am really excited to see Davis come into the side. He will add a bit of extra bite, mobility, and grit into the midfield and allow us move the ball through the thirds more freely.
A really good midfielder to bring into the side with a couple of tough away games coming up next week.6 -
Okay I'll be the one to bite seeing that everyone has ignored it
People bemoaned the fact that the Fulham game was moved, some of the comments pretty much said it was a stupid decision, was throwing the game which they saw as disgraceful!!
We've just obtained four points from those two game, so what it isnt good enough we didnt get maximum points had the Fulham game been moved to another time - Once again it was pretty much a masterstroke from the Management team you continue to get clueless idiots who just dont have a clue
Another factor to take into account is that we've just beaten a rival by not playing well - The issue people said was the fact we cant beat these physical teams, yes the second half wasnt brilliant but just like Preston when we played them... We got the goals we saw out the game!!
Now bloody well start to believe that relegation ISNT a foregone conclusion because like recent events, your just gonna make yourselves look stupid!!5 -
Not sure anybody has said relegation is a forgone formality but happy Sunday anyway @ForeverAddickted 😝2
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Late to post. Felt the substitutions in theory made sense, but JFC is for me a limited player. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt fitness wise, because he’s a had a long layoff, but I just think he’s a bit powder puff and should be playing no higher than League One. Expect Karl Robinson would offer him a move in the summer given he brought him here and he’s out of contract.It was frustrating because once the subs had been made, we weren’t really able to do anything attacking wise like maybe bring on McGeady. We weren’t going to take off Green, and you’re unlikely to ever sub a sub.
Rode our luck in the end but a good 3 points. Were in complete control with Taylor & Williams on the pitch, but understand why they both had to come off. Just wished we’d replaced them with Field and McGeady, rather than JFC and Hemed4 -
Rufus (yes he was better than that) and Brown were solid championship (division one) centre backs that played several seasons for us in the second tier; That shouldn’t be unrealistic. The other players you name were top class players- I’m not asking for that.Leuth said:
Yes and let's sign the modern Simonsen, the modern Jensen, the modern Bent, the modern Powell, the modern Shirtliff, the modern Bartram and the modern Hales while we're about itwmcf123 said:
That’s palpably not true - watch it again. With luck, next season brings genuinely solid defenders ; I’d settle for the modern versions of Rufus and Brown.Leuth said:He got sucked towards the ball because Pearce was backing away and there was no midfield present. It was a fair assumption that Doughty would help out too. You absolutely can't pin the goal on Sarr even though you so clearly want to
I know you love Naby but I cannot wait for him to be off the books and for his enormous wage to be taken up by a french league 2 side.0 -
That's complete and utter bollox. He may not try hard to stay on his feet when clipped but he is continually fouled.Addickted said:
I'd say at least a third of them aren't even fouls. Don't forget he was at the same midfield academy as Zaha.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Are all the fouls deliberate or just clumsy defending? Lost count of the number of times he got taken down yesterday.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Don't think there is an official stat for this, but Williams must be the most consistently fouled player in the Championship. Not so much a marked man, more a target for opposition players to practice their agricultural skills on.
The worst tackle on him yesterday and the only one I saw that actually hurt him, was when Cullen caught his ankle.4 -
Free form poetry. All the rage.Sage said:
Good effort, but other than better and suffer, it doesn’t rhyme.1968CAFC said:We got the result we needed,
it was not pretty in the second half
and Barnsley could have snatched a
draw. fortunately they did not.
awful moments of comedy panic
after LT and JW came off.
We will have to play a lot better
especially in midfield when we travel
to Stoke next week, or we could suffer.
i am Certain LB has a tactical plan.
Come on you Reds !!0 -
The diving header from around the spot was Cullen. Hemed got to around the 6yd box for a cross from the left wing but it was way above his head so he had no chance to even connect.kafka said:
Green gave him just that today. From where I was sitting it looked on a plateTalal said:
Indeed. Can't recall a single header he's had in a situation like that but I may be mistaken.bobmunro said:Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!1 -
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He did get a yellow, just a bit later when the foul was actually given.Simonsen said:Just watched the highlights. Lockyer very lucky not have had a yellow for his pull-back (the one where ref delayed giving a foul).0 -
What was the ‘tequila’ song chanted yesterday??Couldn’t make out the word0
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Mcgeadysammy391 said:What was the ‘tequila’ song chanted yesterday??Couldn’t make out the word0 -
Superb. Don't forget the paracetamol on the way home. 😉ForeverAddickted said:
We've just obtained four points from those two game, so what it isnt good enough we didnt get maximum points had the Fulham game been moved to another time - Once again it was pretty much a masterstroke from the Management team you continue to get clueless idiots who just dont have a clue
Another factor to take into account is that we've just beaten a rival by not playing well - The issue people said was the fact we cant beat these physical teams, yes the second half wasnt brilliant but just like Preston when we played them... We got the goals we saw out the game!!
Now bloody well start to believe that relegation ISNT a foregone conclusion because like recent events, your just gonna make yourselves look stupid!!0 -
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Oh Tahnoon Nimer,sammy391 said:What was the ‘tequila’ song chanted yesterday??Couldn’t make out the word
Please make us happy,
With all your millions,
Buy us some stars,
We’re not asking you for Lionel Messi,
But maybe Mbappe would be a start!!!!
(To the tune of the Terrorvision version)
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People are missing the point about why we lost control of the game in the last 30 mins. It was little to do with our substitutions more to do with Barnsley's change in tactics. They were playing 5-3-2, but then took off a wing back and bought on a midfielder and went 4-4-2. Because we were tiring and playing deeper and deeper, quite a few times it looked like 6 or 7 players in a line across the defence. We ended up with two midfielders against their four. This then meant that they could pass around us with ease.
I thought Bowyer's response was wrong, yes take Doughty off because he was tiring, but should have bought Field or Otzumer on to bolster midfield and gone to 4-4-2 to match them, with Sarr going over to left back, rather than bringing Purrington on to carry on the 5-3-2 formation.
It is a concern of mine that we do drop far too deep with too many players playing in a line across the back. It just gives the opposition too much space in midfield to apply pressure. We need to keep the midfield and defensive lines separate, clearly defined and cut out the opposition midfield gaining ascendancy.
However we WON! that's the most important thing, and I guess Bowyer was juggling these possibilities in his head.3 -
I agree with this 100%. I think part of the issue was we had something to hang on to but Barnsley had to score and we decided to try to stop them rather than threaten them too much at the other end. But basically when we do this, the ball keeps coming back to our half and when we attack, lack of support means we lose it quickly and it comes back.altrinchamaddick said:People are missing the point about why we lost control of the game in the last 30 mins. It was little to do with our substitutions more to do with Barnsley's change in tactics. They were playing 5-3-2, but then took off a wing back and bought on a midfielder and went 4-4-2. Because we were tiring and playing deeper and deeper, quite a few times it looked like 6 or 7 players in a line across the defence. We ended up with two midfielders against their four. This then meant that they could pass around us with ease.
I thought Bowyer's response was wrong, yes take Doughty off because he was tiring, but should have bought Field or Otzumer on to bolster midfield and gone to 4-4-2 to match them, with Sarr going over to left back, rather than bringing Purrington on to carry on the 5-3-2 formation.
It is a concern of mine that we do drop far too deep with too many players playing in a line across the back. It just gives the opposition too much space in midfield to apply pressure. We need to keep the midfield and defensive lines separate, clearly defined and cut out the opposition midfield gaining ascendancy.
However we WON! that's the most important thing, and I guess Bowyer was juggling these possibilities in his head.
When confidence is not high this can happen, but as you say, the subs impact on this too. JFC doesn't do what Williams does and when he is isolated, he will get outmuscled which isn't his fault and Hemed really looks to me to be a striker who is better suited to playing off players, whereas Taylor can make a real nuisance of himself on his own.
But ultimately we won, and returning players got more minutes under their belts.0 -
We desperately needed the win on so many levels. The new owner in the stand added extra.
So glad we have a bit of confidence going forward with important games coming up. The reinforcements will help spread the load and let the walking wounded regain their fitness levels.
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Maybe JFC deserves some credit for that goalline clearance. Being 2-2 at that stage would most likely have led to a loss.14
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If only Doughty got his head up, Green could have had a hat trick yesterday!2
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Has there been any confirmation of the rumour Fulham were interested in signing Alfie?jondon76 said:If only Doughty got his head up, Green could have had a hat trick yesterday!
Hope we get him signed up on a new contract asap. He will be a star.
I agree that a couple of times against Barnsley he didnt get his head up and spot Green but that will improve so imagine how good he will be when it does.0 -
Yes. MS addressed it in the video on twitterorpingtonRED said:
Has there been any confirmation of the rumour Fulham were interested in signing Alfie?jondon76 said:If only Doughty got his head up, Green could have had a hat trick yesterday!
Hope we get him signed up on a new contract asap. He will be a star.
I agree that a couple of times against Barnsley he didnt get his head up and spot Green but that will improve so imagine how good he will be when it does.2 -
I've just done my Tommy Driesen impression and gone to my laptop for the ultimate Yann/Tomer comparison.
I've collated information from a myriad of sources (Wiki) and applied my very own algorithm (long division). Here are the results - senior appearances only.
Yann: Games 501; goals 137; games per goal 3.6
Tomer Games 377; goals 96 ; games per goal 3.9
However, add Tomer's full international appearances and ...
Games 414; goals 113; goals per game 3.6.
So both return a figure of 3.6.
I then began to delve deeper and look at their most productive periods. Yann's golden era encompassed his seasons 2010-2016 with Charlton, Bournemouth and Reading whilst Tomer's was 2011-2019 with Mallorca, Almeria, Brighton and Israel.
At this point my computer crashed as did my interest. What's the point anyway? We're at the very end of this thread and no one's gonna read it. FWIW I reckon we should give Tomer a chance though.
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Result all important , the performance scares me .
Taylor the perfect wind up .
How we ever can moan about other teams time wasting I’ll never know , we are just blatant nothing more so than the standard catch standing up by Phillips always followed by the dive to the floor, genuinely pathetic but I love it !!
Liked the Tequila attempt , maybe one day we’ll sing it as good as Tranmere but we’ll have to wake up half our support !Wigan result heart breaker but proves these teams won’t lay down and die .
80% 13th-21st ..........................20% Relegation0 -
We can't moan about time wasting, it is a general issue in football because the time added on doesn't reflect the time wasted. In terms of the performance, we would be laying seige on the Barnsley goal if we were losing. In the first half we were decent. I wouldn't worry too much about the performance but our tactics when we are ahead need reviewing. Which is something I'm sure Bowyer is doing, whilst accepting it is also about personnel too.1
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ltrinchamaddick said:People are missing the point about why we lost control of the game in the last 30 mins. It was little to do with our substitutions more to do with Barnsley's change in tactics. They were playing 5-3-2, but then took off a wing back and bought on a midfielder and went 4-4-2. Because we were tiring and playing deeper and deeper, quite a few times it looked like 6 or 7 players in a line across the defence. We ended up with two midfielders against their four. This then meant that they could pass around us with ease.
I thought Bowyer's response was wrong, yes take Doughty off because he was tiring, but should have bought Field or Otzumer on to bolster midfield and gone to 4-4-2 to match them, with Sarr going over to left back, rather than bringing Purrington on to carry on the 5-3-2 formation.
It is a concern of mine that we do drop far too deep with too many players playing in a line across the back. It just gives the opposition too much space in midfield to apply pressure. We need to keep the midfield and defensive lines separate, clearly defined and cut out the opposition midfield gaining ascendancy.
However we WON! that's the most important thing, and I guess Bowyer was juggling these possibilities in his head.
It is to do with the substitutions !! Of course Barnsley are going to attack more when they are behind.
However taking the two players off that we have, that can actually hold a ball up - Taylor & Williams without replaing them with someone who can do something similar is inviting Barnsley to presss forward. Unfortunately we only had runners and defending players on at the end - not people that can actually hold the ball until they can get help from other playes and take pressure off the defence! Ths is simple football management.3 -
It was all about the personnel available, and why Davies and Smith came to bolster the midfield. Bostock and Maddison were the selected pair but greed on MM part and some lazy arse French admin staff meant it's a younger version of Pratley and Man city academy boy who have signed on loans.
Could these two lads and McGeady's cameos end up being serendipitous come May ?1 -
Had we lost on Saturday, we would not be agreeing in terms of Barnsley, which underlines what a massive result it was. I think avoiding defeat at Stoke on Saturday will be just as massive for us.Covered End said:We were decent first half with Williams, Taylor, Cullen & Green making a clear improvement.
Barnsley looked like a struggling L1 team.
It was very scrappy, but we were worth our 2-0 lead.
2nd half was nearly all Barnsley and the game had definitely changed when the dominant Williams was replaced by the generally invisible man JFC.
Cullen was clearly flagging and at fault for their goal.
Taylor is then subbed and replaced by Hemed who did make one decent cross, which has been his biggest contribution to the whole season. he offers us next to nothing.
We got lucky 2nd half with them hitting the woodwork for the 2nd & 3rd times, but I think we were due some.
I think most would agree Luton & Barnsley will probably be relegated so we've got to avoid the 3rd spot.
The good news is that despite Wigan's win at Leeds, the highlights suggested that they took a mauling, should have been thrashed and won with a deflected corner that looped up and over and ended in the far corner of the net. Bizarre.6 -
Have a look at the video posted yesterday, done by Barnsley themselves. Phillips antics towards the end were cringeworthy. Feel to the floor in stages & incensed one of their players so much that he got booked. Great you may say that Phillips got one of their players booked but imo he crossed the line between "taking time out" and "play acting".oohaahmortimer said:Result all important , the performance scares me .
Taylor the perfect wind up .
How we ever can moan about other teams time wasting I’ll never know , we are just blatant nothing more so than the standard catch standing up by Phillips always followed by the dive to the floor, genuinely pathetic but I love it !!
Liked the Tequila attempt , maybe one day we’ll sing it as good as Tranmere but we’ll have to wake up half our support !Wigan result heart breaker but proves these teams won’t lay down and die .
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