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Charlton v Barnsley | Sat 1 Feb | 3pm KO | Post-match Thread
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My take on today. I thought we were going to destroy them after the 2nd goal but we never got going. As has been said Taylor and Williams going off nullified our threat and JFC looked lost. What was even more strange was pushing Pratley so far up. Yes he tries so hard and runs through brick walls, but he’s slow and gets turned easily. On a number of occasions they bypassed him quite easily and with JFC running all over Cullen’s position we had no stability and structure. I’m looking forward to Davis or Field taking over from him soon. Don’t get me wrong Prats has been amazing for his effort but his age is showing.I think oz would have been the better sub for Williams, he would have had a lot of time and space on the ball which he likes, and his Goals record from past years suggests he can strike a ball. But hey ho we pulled through.I thought Matthews was class, he’s progressed well and seems to be showing the form that took him to the Prem a few years ago.If Barnsley go down then we need to buy Woodrow. Imagine keeping Taylor and putting them up top together, absolute hell for defenders. Also Thomas looked good and I’d take Mowatt.Brilliant atmosphere and many thanks to @Addickted for the ticket!9
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We are bringing Hemed on at a time he has 2 objectives:
-Chase, chase, chase
- Make a goal out of nothing as we want 9 players behind the ball
If he fails to do both, fans get on his back. Davison has struggled as an impact sub, so has Aneke. The former's best games have been when starting and the latter when Lyle has been on the pitch upon his substitution.
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100%mendonca said:We are bringing Hemed on at a time he has 2 objectives:
-Chase, chase, chase
- Make a goal out of nothing as we want 9 players behind the ball
If he fails to do both, fans get on his back. Davison has struggled as an impact sub, so has Aneke. The former's best games have been when starting and the latter when Lyle has been on the pitch upon his substitution.
If anything he was creating stuff for others. He did a brilliant cut back but no-one had even reached the penalty area, they were so far behind him, chugging along. And his hooked ball out to the left was superb. He also did a bit defensively by glancing one corner away to safety.9 -
Good effort, but other than better and suffer, it doesn’t rhyme.1968CAFC said:We got the result we needed,
it was not pretty in the second half
and Barnsley could have snatched a
draw. fortunately they did not.
awful moments of comedy panic
after LT and JW came off.
We will have to play a lot better
especially in midfield when we travel
to Stoke next week, or we could suffer.
i am Certain LB has a tactical plan.
Come on you Reds !!2 -
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service he's doing alright.1 -
I think this is really harsh-in the time he was on he helped to create three great chances (the pass to Green where he took too long to shoot, getting past their defender to the byline and pulling it back to an area devoid of any other attacking players and the move where he couldn’t quite direct the header) in a half where they were few and far between for us. I thought he played well, he just isn’t Lyle Taylor....ThreadKiller said:Watching Hemed wandering about the pitch, I wonder if I was too rash hanging my boots up 25 years ago8 -
He's a decent player and some of the criticism is a bit OTT. Thought he did okay yesterday.HandG said:
I think this is really harsh-in the time he was on he helped to create three great chances (the pass to Green where he took too long to shoot, getting past their defender to the byline and pulling it back to an area devoid of any other attacking players and the move where he couldn’t quite direct the header) in a half where they were few and far between for us. I thought he played well, he just isn’t Lyle Taylor....ThreadKiller said:Watching Hemed wandering about the pitch, I wonder if I was too rash hanging my boots up 25 years ago5 -
Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!2 -
If we do not play better then we did against Barnsley we could suffer at Stoke simple.Sage said:
Good effort, but other than better and suffer, it doesn’t rhyme.1968CAFC said:We got the result we needed,
it was not pretty in the second half
and Barnsley could have snatched a
draw. fortunately they did not.
awful moments of comedy panic
after LT and JW came off.
We will have to play a lot better
especially in midfield when we travel
to Stoke next week, or we could suffer.
i am Certain LB has a tactical plan.
Come on you Reds !!0 -
Indeed. Can't recall a single header he's had in a situation like that but I may be mistaken.bobmunro said:Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!0 - Sponsored links:
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3 points is 3 points, double up for a win against a bottom of the pack rival .. I reckon that Barnsley and Luton are gone .. Wigan, Stoke and Huddersfield despite inconsistency could still pull out of 'danger' .. our team and management still has a lot to do .. I am VERY hopeful that we will not be relegated .. as has been said by many on here, me included, fourth from bottom will do nicely even if the road to 21st might be heart attack inducing (please no more mention of bed wetting)3
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Green gave him just that today. From where I was sitting it looked on a plateTalal said:
Indeed. Can't recall a single header he's had in a situation like that but I may be mistaken.bobmunro said:Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!1 -
100% agree, but I am fairly sure we will play better next week. Another week of getting fitter plus new players introduced, only bodes well.1968CAFC said:
If we do not play better then we did against Barnsley we could suffer at Stoke simple.Sage said:
Good effort, but other than better and suffer, it doesn’t rhyme.1968CAFC said:We got the result we needed,
it was not pretty in the second half
and Barnsley could have snatched a
draw. fortunately they did not.
awful moments of comedy panic
after LT and JW came off.
We will have to play a lot better
especially in midfield when we travel
to Stoke next week, or we could suffer.
i am Certain LB has a tactical plan.
Come on you Reds !!8 -
Some fans have already decided that they don't like Hemed, so the narrative for them when he plays is always going to be negative.
Maybe I'm the other way, but thought he did well when he came on. Happy to watch the match over again and be proven wrong.6 -
That was Cullen wasn't it?kafka said:
Green gave him just that today. From where I was sitting it looked on a plateTalal said:
Indeed. Can't recall a single header he's had in a situation like that but I may be mistaken.bobmunro said:Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!1 -
Looked slightly too high to me...kafka said:
Green gave him just that today. From where I was sitting it looked on a plateTalal said:
Indeed. Can't recall a single header he's had in a situation like that but I may be mistaken.bobmunro said:Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!1 -
Ah ok couldn't make it and VP froze for a minute so must've been when that happened!0
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Really getting pissed off with the continual targeting of Williams.I thought referees watched videos of the teams they are due to officiate in,if so they should realise what is going to happen and be prepared for it.MOTD last night,Grealish taken out early immediate booking.Williams got done 5 times in the first half,if the ref had clamped down sooner,this would not have happened.10
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Found the first half frustrating. Barnsley were awful and yet chances created were minimal although the late goal made half time easier.Second half in control until Williams went off and the ability to move the ball reduced. Thought the decision to in effect save him for future games at that stage was wrong. Similarly with Taylor change.Once they went it all became long ball and too frantic. Pratley I thought was poor as just running round reducing the defensive shape and too far forward where he doesn’t have the necessary speed, touch or pass.Overall good win but loads of room for improvement.0
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Something to do with his family. Lyle said in an interview "It was great for Andre to score. especially with the week he has had with his family".Exiled_Addick said:None of my business I suppose, but any idea if something happened to Andre Green this week? Seemed a bit emotional after he scored and the players all huddled round him. Looked like Bowyer came and had a longish chat with him at full time and then pointed something out to him in the stands.0 - Sponsored links:
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personally i'd have put purrington on for williams and pushed doughty up to left mid / wing, i'd then have swopped taylor later for mageedy or otzumer and played green up top on his own.superclive98 said:
I think that they all needed replacing, the first two to protect them for the future and Doughty because he wasn't offering much defensively.cafctom said:Taking off Taylor/Williams/Doughty and replacing them with Hemed/Forster-Caskey/Purrington might be the most unispiring trio of substitutions I’ve seen in a Charlton winning performance.
I would never bring on Hemed because I don't see what he offers (I'd much rather have Josh Davison on the bench) . We could possibly have gone one up front when Taylor went off but that might have been unfair to Andre Green.3 -
No, Hemed definitely had one too. Having only seen it in real time from high up in the Covered End it's difficult to say for sure whether he should have done better or not.Talal said:
That was Cullen wasn't it?kafka said:
Green gave him just that today. From where I was sitting it looked on a plateTalal said:
Indeed. Can't recall a single header he's had in a situation like that but I may be mistaken.bobmunro said:Talal said:
I thought he worked hard again but I wouldn't say he's strong in the air. Wins a few but loses more.Croydon said:Hemed is obviously this season's marmite player. I really like him, he's strong in the air and is a nuisance for defenders. He's improved game by game since his injury and just needs a goal I feel. Similar to Josh Parker last season.
Given he's had virtually no service in the games he's played he's doing alright.If you look at his playing career then it is clear that Hemed is very useful in the air. But his strength is challenging in the box from balls played in from wide positions i.e when he is running on to the ball and facing the goal. He is not a target man for long balls played to him where he has his back to goal.Now, we just need wide men who can get decent crosses in!!
He did really well for the cut back and was just unlucky that none of our players were there.
Other than that I don't think that he offered much, offensively or defensively.0 -
A game of two halves, as good as we were in the first half there was no way Barnsley could have been as bad in the second.
They were deservingly behind at the break but their game, passing in particular, improved in the second. If we had got a third goal when were bossing the game I’m sure we would have looked a little more composed in the second half.1 -
Been reported that his grandad died.Rudders22 said:8
Something to do with his family. Lyle said in an interview "It was great for Andre to score. especially with the week he has had with his family".Exiled_Addick said:None of my business I suppose, but any idea if something happened to Andre Green this week? Seemed a bit emotional after he scored and the players all huddled round him. Looked like Bowyer came and had a longish chat with him at full time and then pointed something out to him in the stands.0 -
he's definitely targeted and feet are too quick for them so gets kicked but he also goes for balls that lots of other players of his type / build wouldn't - if i were bowyer i'd tell him to look after himself more - he's too important to take risks and put his body on the linehoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Are all the fouls deliberate or just clumsy defending? Lost count of the number of times he got taken down yesterday.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Don't think there is an official stat for this, but Williams must be the most consistently fouled player in the Championship. Not so much a marked man, more a target for opposition players to practice their agricultural skills on.
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agreed - if we don't offer a genuine threat then its a matter of time before we concede - we got lucky yesterdayaddick_for_life said:I think Bowyer is a really good manager but I thought he nearly lost the game for us, when will he learn that we dont have the defenders to hold on to games, - i Believe we have lost 17 points this seson from winning positions , as he will insist on taking off attacking players and bringing on defending players when we are hanging on - we need attacking players to take the pressure off the defence, as our defenders are not up too defending for long periods0 -
I wonder if Pratley being pushed further forward towards the end was to do with him being on 9 bookings & one more would mean missing the next 2 games.....both away from home where LB might want to be more defensive. More likely to get booked diving into a tackle 25 yards from our goal than theirs. Just a thought.2
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The shape was weird after Williams went off, with Pratley playing more of an attacking role, and charging forward regularly from midfield. I'm sure that was something Bowyer told him to do, but it left us horribly open in midfield, indeed it almost seemed like we were playing 5-1-2-20
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our throw ins are generally terrible - normally result in giving possession back to the opposition - the throw into space in the middle was a breath of fresh air but after it had come off 2 or 3 times, i was just waiting for the next one to be intercepted and everybody caught out of position - brilliant engine from pratley as it was him that was making the runs for these but he panicked on one where a bit of composure and he could have drawn the defender and laid doherty in but he hit the pass early and straight out for a throw!!! He's no Zidaine that's for sure0
