Charlton v Millwall | Fri 03 Jul 2020| Post-match thread

Bailey

Beaten by a better team and a better run club. Been watching this fixture since 68, since that time how many boardroom based crisis and subsequent starvation of resources have our Managers faced. Millwall in that time have, to my memory, faced only one and that year we beat them home and away. This is nothing to do with a curse, it is a fact of a poorly run football club.

SuedeAdidas

robroy said:

Millwall mate sent me this. 

We might as well have stayed kneeling for 90 mins and saved our energy for Brentford. 

The Red Robin

I did wonder about the music during Rowett's pre-match interview. Seemed pretty blatant to me at the time.

killerandflash

Sage said:

Tactically, the change to bring on Field for Morgan, whether he was injured or not, was completely wrong. Morgan was the only player in our team yesterday capable of playing the ball forward, able to cut open a defence with a pass, or pass forward to force our strikers to make the runs that hurt the opposition. As soon as Field is his replacement, it’s defensive and we result to going long. That suits Millwall. If Morgan had to come off, Forster-Caskey is the natural change here.

Agreed. Has Bowyer actually said why Morgan was substituted, whether it was for a knock or tactical, as it was a strange replacement. A team with 2 holding/engine room midfielders (Cullen and Field), 3 defensive CBs and a right footed CB at left WB is hardly going to scare the opposition.

Bailey

Stupid bloody behavior, if our manager has had any part of that then he should apologize to Millwall, most of us know Millwall fans and it's embarrassing to try to explain that nonsense.

Ollywozere

The Red Robin said:

I did wonder about the music during Rowett's pre-match interview. Seemed pretty blatant to me at the time.

As if there would be time to plan anything like that! There’s no set time for those pre-match interviews, the press officer will grab the manager as soon as they can and shove him in front of the camera for Sky.
That would have been around the time the person in the DJ room was booting things up. Later on, during the warm-up, Sky did actually ask for the music to be turned down.
The amount of conspiracy theories that have come out of this fixture is amazing!  

Bedsaddick

And they call us train spotters 

LargeAddick

Once again Bowyer must have watched a different game to me. We deserved nothing, we got nothing. To make out otherwise is ridiculous.

Elthamaddick

Ollywozere said:

The Red Robin said:

I did wonder about the music during Rowett's pre-match interview. Seemed pretty blatant to me at the time.

As if there would be time to plan anything like that! There’s no set time for those pre-match interviews, the press officer will grab the manager as soon as they can and shove him in front of the camera for Sky.
That would have been around the time the person in the DJ room was booting things up. Later on, during the warm-up, Sky did actually ask for the music to be turned down.
The amount of conspiracy theories that have come out of this fixture is amazing!  

Don’t even know why music is being played after the game, does Sue like it

MrOneLung

Death
Taxes
Charlton  not showing up against Millwall

twiggyaddick

Baldybonce said:

No one ‘bottled’ it.
They are a bogey side marginally better than us on the night.

Shame on Taylor. He would have made the difference.

There are bogey sides and then there's a massive shit stain of a record. Our record against some of the top sides in this country is better than our record against Millwall, and our record against Palace isn't much better but at least I've seen us beat them a few times. I missed the 95/96 games. I'm still not buying this 24 years stuff though. For the first 14 of those years we were unbeaten against them cos we didn't play them. Our 1st loss that snapped that was the 4-0 march 2010.

Need the football gods to smile on us today, but knowing our luck Stoke will win, hudds will win and we will shit ourselves against Brentford, happy days

Athletico Charlton

Only had one person gloat over WhatsApp and he is a Palace weirdo.

SouthWest_Addicks

Didn’t look like scoring at all. Had that down a 0-0 throughout. 

At the start of league 1 last season we had Taylor, Grant, Vetokele, Fosu, Aribo. None of our current opportunities are as good as any of them. 

If we carry on with that style of team trying to scrap a lucky 1-0. Will we get a couple of draws and maybe one win. Is that enough to keep us up? 

oohaahmortimer

oohaahmortimer said:

Where did the crowd noise come from on Sky last night?
Didn’t we produce our own for the QPR fixture?
last night I could hear Naby Sarr being sung and millwall millwall millwall millwall 

Ollywozere 

twiggyaddick

Hemed and bones shooting power makes Simon Church look like he had the foot of a traction engine. Absolute powder puff

Ollywozere

oohaahmortimer said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Where did the crowd noise come from on Sky last night?
Didn’t we produce our own for the QPR fixture?
last night I could hear Naby Sarr being sung and millwall millwall millwall millwall 

Ollywozere 

Last night’s crowd noise was all controlled by Sky and was only on the broadcast. We weren’t allowed to pipe any through into the stadium itself.

Mendonca In Asdas

MrLargo said:

We beat Millwall when I was 12 years old.
We beat Millwall when I was 15 years old.
We beat Millwall when I was 16 years old.

That's it. I am now 40. Depressing.

And our strikers' finishing was pathetic.

Morgan had one, possibly two shots where he hit it properly - he smashed it, like you should do in a derby. If it doesn't go on then it might hit one of these tossers in the face. 

But Hemed and Bonne, I haven't seen such timid shooting since the Spongefoot era. Feeble.

Both of my sons have never seen us beat Millwall!

oohaahmortimer

It’s gonna be a long day , I’ve got on the chocolate early so it’s gonna get messy .
scum fixture fallout 

Mendonca In Asdas

oohaahmortimer said:

Too many shit players in our team , scum more than good enough to beat us .
We can’t rely on Lady Luck to keep us up 
our own shitness   Due to wank ownership beyond belief will see us down and if by a miracle it’s not this season it will be next .

i genuinely hate Charlton with a passion after every lame performance against them c***s we all knew it was coming once the game had started and we fluffed the Bonne chance 

as the game Went on I got more agitated , swearing at the kids , tv , dogs , Charlton ,scum ,the wind , Rain, the tv remote and then once they stuck the knife in you knew our attempt to get back in the game would be weaker than a girls u-7 netball Team .

fuck Charlton for doing this to me and my fucked up head .
havent picked my phone up since ht cos I can’t be having any contact cos I’d launch the phone .


sympathy shag from the Mrs took my mind away from the pain for a few seconds 

now I’m on the bog all shrivelled up and deflated 

fuck you Charlton you pathetic c***s 

we haven’t got a goal in us it’s all over 

70% down ...30% not down 

I’m 100% down 

Well at least someone had a happy ending last night.

Mendonca In Asdas

Ollywozere said:

oohaahmortimer said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Where did the crowd noise come from on Sky last night?
Didn’t we produce our own for the QPR fixture?
last night I could hear Naby Sarr being sung and millwall millwall millwall millwall 

Ollywozere 

Last night’s crowd noise was all controlled by Sky and was only on the broadcast. We weren’t allowed to pipe any through into the stadium itself.

I think it showed!

Mendonca In Asdas

I must admit you do need a sense of humour following this club.

lancashire lad

how many times this season has LB lamented that we didn't take our chances -too many, suggest we try Davidson after the Brentford game as he can't be any worse than the others.

The Prince-e-Paul

As Bowyer would say when it comes to the squad he has to work with "It is what it is!"

Nothing constructive to say about last night. Move on to Brentford. 

mid_life_crisis

oohaahmortimer said:

Too many shit players in our team , scum more than good enough to beat us .
We can’t rely on Lady Luck to keep us up 
our own shitness   Due to wank ownership beyond belief will see us down and if by a miracle it’s not this season it will be next .

i genuinely hate Charlton with a passion after every lame performance against them c***s we all knew it was coming once the game had started and we fluffed the Bonne chance 

as the game Went on I got more agitated , swearing at the kids , tv , dogs , Charlton ,scum ,the wind , Rain, the tv remote and then once they stuck the knife in you knew our attempt to get back in the game would be weaker than a girls u-7 netball Team .

fuck Charlton for doing this to me and my fucked up head .
havent picked my phone up since ht cos I can’t be having any contact cos I’d launch the phone .


sympathy shag from the Mrs took my mind away from the pain for a few seconds 

now I’m on the bog all shrivelled up and deflated 

fuck you Charlton you pathetic c***s 

we haven’t got a goal in us it’s all over 

70% down ...30% not down 

I’m 100% down 

The only thing I was looking forward to post-match was your comment @oohaahmortimer.
You didn't disappoint.

ShootersHillGuru

Usual performance for the fixture. No goals, no guts, no chance. If we manage another two goals this season I will be amazed. 

If there is a positive, and it’s minute, is that the players won’t have picked up on the disgust and embarrassment from the terraces.

cabbles

We can dig out Bonne all we like, but he’s a young lad who’s just made the jump from the National League to one rung under one of the top 3 divisions in the world.

he may not be good enough for this level, but he’s trying his best.  Hemed is well past his best, but he does try to link up play.  They’re good examples of the wider problem that has engulfed us over the last 6 years and counting, no leadership at the top and underinvestment.  One is a young lad we took a gamble on through our decent scouting network, the other is someone who has had a pedigree in this league in the past but is unable to produce anywhere near what we need from him.

last night our whole situation is summed up watching McGeady huff and puff to show that promise that he delivered before he was 30.  He was the one player on the pitch from our Jan transfer window activity and the super duper phone.  Says it all really 

objectively, Millwall were very organised and set up very well tactically.  We struggled to get to grips with their 5 in midfield and Wallace, Romeo and Smith looked very good.  

Someone like Fulham should be looking at Jed Wallace rather than spending millions on foreign talent their supporters have never heard of.  For me he can do a job at a top championship side 

JamesSeed

Had to keep away from CL for a bit after that.

We weren’t shockingly bad, we weren’t that much worse than Millwall, Dillon didn’t make a terrible mistake (the kind that you see regularly at this level and fairly often even in the Premier League), we didn’t really create more than one or two of clear-cut chances, we didn’t get any lucky breaks, but then neither did ‘wall. So what were the differences between the two sides?

1 They were better organised, with a plan A (exploit Smith’s aerial dominance) and a plan B (bring on the little fella in Smith’s place and use his pace).

2 Their defenders were happy bringing the ball forward, Coleman in particular, giving them options that we don’t have when we play Pearce and Lockyer in a back four.
3 Mahoney put his foot through the ball, meaning Dillon could only parry it. Our ‘strikers‘ never seem to get a clean strike on the ball.

4 They expect to win against us, like Germany expect to beat England. It’s hard to alter expectations, especially when backed up with evidence.

Bowyer needs to freshen it up now, but that’s difficult with a squad that lacks outstanding individuals. I still think we’ll be fine, although it’s going to be pretty nerve wracking. 

Missed It

Four games since the restart and zero goals from Charlton "strikers".  I fully expect that number to remain zero until the end of the season.

I hope Lyle Taylor let's Richard Rufus take care of his money.

Sillybilly

cabbles said:

We can dig out Bonne all we like, but he’s a young lad who’s just made the jump from the National League to one rung under one of the top 3 divisions in the world.

he may not be good enough for this level, but he’s trying his best.  Hemed is well past his best, but he does try to link up play.  They’re good examples of the wider problem that has engulfed us over the last 6 years and counting, no leadership at the top and underinvestment.  One is a young lad we took a gamble on through our decent scouting network, the other is someone who has had a pedigree in this league in the past but is unable to produce anywhere near what we need from him.

last night our whole situation is summed up watching McGeady huff and puff to show that promise that he delivered before he was 30.  He was the one player on the pitch from our Jan transfer window activity and the super duper phone.  Says it all really 

objectively, Millwall were very organised and set up very well tactically.  We struggled to get to grips with their 5 in midfield and Wallace, Romeo and Smith looked very good.  

Someone like Fulham should be looking at Jed Wallace rather than spending millions on foreign talent their supporters have never heard of.  For me he can do a job at a top championship side 

Pretty much sums it up.  Given all the background basket casery and minus Taylor, Gallagher and Leko, the fact that we are not 20 points adrift already with this squad is an absolute miracle. Bowyer, for all his ultra defensive approach and tinkering is doing something right. . 

bobmunro

I deliberately didn't post last night as I would probably have got a ban!

Now I've slept on it and feel more philosophical - although my first words when I woke up were still 'F*cking Millwall'.

We pretty much got what we deserved and, tactically, Bowyer had an off night - it happens.

I still take the view that our record against Millwall is nothing more than a statistical aberration, historical performances are meaningless to compare - shit happens.

Why didn't we end the 24 years of hurt? Because Millwall are a much stronger side physically, have some very useful Championship players, and our play maker, Cullen, had perhaps his most ineffective game for Charlton. I'm not convinced many of our players would get into that Millwall side, whereas I would have Smith (a nightmare to defend against - always has been), Romeo (very useful player), Mitchell (looked very tasty when he came on), Cooper (better than our two CB by a mile, although the tackle on Albie was naughty) and Jed Wallace who was the best player on the pitch for me.

Maybe we could have nicked a draw, but in no way did we deserve to win. Open your eyes, Bows! I also agree with MF - stone wall penalty in the first half.

Overall the game was a piss poor affair - no passion, an emotionless South London derby.