usually I’m annoyed at these games because we do generally bottle it, but tonight we could’ve carried on playing long into next season and we were never going to score.
i can’t fault the job Bowyer has done in getting us organised and well drilled, but the lack of talent and ability to win games and create chances is there for all to see. I can see why he set up the way he did for Cardiff and expect the same at Brentford (could be a very hard watch, they’re a million times better than Cardiff).
we toiled and we puffed and apart from the 10th - 35th minute when we couldn’t get to grips with their set up. We sorted it formation wise, but then it comes down to the ability of the players to be able to create the chances and score.
What can we do. Taylor has walked away, Bonne was a national league player last season having to jump 2 divisions, Hemed is like a clapped out old banger we’ve picked up with his best years well behind him. McGeady can probably produce this ability to shoot with either foot once every 3 weeks in training. Williams can zig zag the ball forwards 10 yards before being fouled, injured and out for 3 months. Aneke looks like he might have a touch, but can only last 10 minutes. Green hasn’t really shown anything of any substance and Cullen is not an attacking midfielder. Doughty and Morgan are really the only other other 2 options when it comes to adding to our attacking and both of those were on loan at non league clubs prior to Xmas.
That sums up the situation. We’ve got a good spirit, a bunch of players that for the most part give their all. Our management team are performing miracles having gotten us to where we are, they can do no more now.
Our season will come down to our ability to pick up wins against Reading, Brum and Wigan. We need 7 points from our remaining 5, but realistically 7 from those 3 as they all around us
Good post. Agreed I don't think there's much more Bowyer can try with the crop of players he's been handed.
We just have to hope that we get a couple of goals via a bit of luck in the last few games and that teams around us drop a few points the meantime.
I think if some of the 6 below us drop points over the weekend that may give the players a bit of confidence. If they all win again and the gap closes then I worry.
Totally blunt up front, needs sorting or else we will get dragged into the shit.
It's difficult to sort if you have no other strikers to come in & you have no midfielders weighing in with goals & we're already in the shit. Wigan are appealing their 12 point deduction & with the EFL who knows what decision they'll make ? It is still in our hands .... just. If Chuk is the answer up front then surely he must start & play for as long he is able. I haven't seen the games but surely if Bonne & Hemed are so out of touch why start them both ? If McGeady is so shit playing wide bench him & then if we're chasing the game bring him on to play a more central role behind the front two, & hopefully picking up loose balls around the area, he's got a decent shot on him, at least have a go. I'm sure there's still a lot of twists & turns with everyone below us picking up wins just the same as us but with Brentford next & Leeds last game + our inability to score I fear the worst. Bedwetter Bob
I think it is long overdue for Davison to have a crack of the whip up front now,he surely cant do any worse than our other forwards surely???? I said the other night after the draw that I would like to have seen him play in tonights match. He maybe very young and raw but he is up for a battle,looked hungry when he played earlier this season ,can put himself about a fair bit and has a shot on him. Come on LB give him a half at least,might just wind our other forwards up a bit to pull their finger out!!
If you can't score, you won't win and you're always at risk of losing. We had three dedicated forwards on that pitch tonight and not one of them looks good enough on their own or in combination with any of the others to get a goal. I am sure any one of them would do well playing second fiddle to a more prolific, more inspirational striker, but none of them have the skill to bamboozle a defence and none of them have the guile to just smash their foot through the ball. I was pretty soft on Taylor when he decided not to play, but I'm getting angrier and angrier as time passes. He could have been the difference tonight. He could have been a hero. Instead, he wasn't even there and he cost us.
Then look at our midfield: McGeady looks ok until he gets near the box then falls apart, Cullen who has looked unstoppable lately looked very ordinary, Morgan was ushered out of the game and Williams gave a perfect demonstration of why he's not been getting picked. We need to do better and it needs to start with The Bees. I'm not one of those who are writing off the Brentford and Leeds games. There is always something to play for. You never know your luck in this game, unless you happen to be wearing a blue shirt in a South London derby.
I actually thought for a brief 10 minute period Aneke and Hemed had a bit of a understanding. McGeady also looked a lot more dangerous centrally. We'll move on, hope results go our way this weekend and try and beat Brentford
In reality our strikers DIDN'T have that many clear cut chances. Other than the Bonne one on one, the other shots were half chances really, and while Bonne should have done better, even Kane and Aguero miss plenty of one on ones
The reality is that we didn't create enough, whether in open play or from set pieces. In the first half Millwall looked dangerous from nearly every set piece, it's a limited way of attacking but they did it well.
Don't know whether it's because I'm not there, or because I honestly thought we played okay, but I'm not really that pissed off at all, whereas after the game at their place I was fuming.
More concerned than angry tbh as with the form of the teams below us we still probably need two wins which is looking a big ask with how toothless we are up front.
Poor game with a squad that has lacked quality all season, thank heavens we had a good start to the season.
Williams has more assists than any other player in our squad. Yet he has only started 13 games and was given 15 minutes tonight to get us a result.
According to LB we had five clear cut chances and they had one half chance that they took. I suggest he watches the game again. Then he publicly blames Bonne for costing us the game by missing the one on one. As if his confidence isn't low enough as it is.
So yes we probably can't go for it in the way we might like against Brentford and Leeds because those two sides would probably rip us to shreds on the counter. But let's see a little bit more adventure against the likes of Reading, Birmingham and Wigan because we simply have to win two of those games.
As been said, I always write off Millwall games. It's psychological. I am disappointed still and annoyed. But CAS Trust have royally mistimed their latest Twitter post. I feel for Wigan, but don't piggyback this defeat. Not only is it poor taste, but I want them to fight for us first and foremost. And thats not by going 'Think of Wigan' tonight of all nights.
Shame on those who have ripped off our club recently ,I refer to a certain so called money man who has a taste for Range rovers! and lest we forget the COWARD that was once our main striker .I pray that karma really does work .Regards to tonight’s match our defence was superb,but. where were our forwards? I hesitate to use the word strikers.! Keep the faith everybody.
Disappointing tonight as not much in the game,thought/hoped we were going to get a point! Stoke v Barnsley tomorrow! A Stoke win keeps Barnsley 5 points away from us but a 2-0 Stoke win takes them above us-A draw would be best??
Disappointing tonight as not much in the game,thought/hoped we were going to get a point! Stoke v Barnsley tomorrow! A Stoke win keeps Barnsley 5 points away from us but a 2-0 Stoke win takes them above us-A draw would be best??
Hard to tell what we want...
do we want the bottom two to be as far away from us and then Wigan to have points deducted
or
so we want as many teams between us and the relegation zone
Disappointing tonight as not much in the game,thought/hoped we were going to get a point! Stoke v Barnsley tomorrow! A Stoke win keeps Barnsley 5 points away from us but a 2-0 Stoke win takes them above us-A draw would be best??
Hard to tell what we want...
do we want the bottom two to be as far away from us and then Wigan to have points deducted
or
so we want as many teams between us and the relegation zone
We want those teams around us to draw when they play each other and to lose when they play anyone else. Apart from when they play us of course! That way if we beat Wigan and say Reading too we might be just about safe.
Disappointing tonight as not much in the game,thought/hoped we were going to get a point! Stoke v Barnsley tomorrow! A Stoke win keeps Barnsley 5 points away from us but a 2-0 Stoke win takes them above us-A draw would be best??
Hard to tell what we want...
do we want the bottom two to be as far away from us and then Wigan to have points deducted
or
so we want as many teams between us and the relegation zone
We want those teams around us to draw when they play each other and to lose when they play anyone else. Apart from when they play us of course! That way if we beat Wigan and say Reading too we might be just about safe.
Granted, but they would be 10 Christmas’ at once!
In reality, teams are going to pick up points - it’s how we prefer they do it is the question
Our strike force just isn’t good enough for this division and that’s it. Stick Lyle and Grant up top and we win that game 3 or 4-1. Hemed and Bonne tried, but they’re simply not up to the Championship
Piss weak referee lets Cooper off with yellow card for horror over the ball studs up assault on Morgan. Only a yellow for thrown elbow by Molumby who followed up with blow to head also on Morgan. Morgan not fit for 2nd half Cooper scores winner. Whitestone this one’s on you you inadequate spineless farce. Hopeless cowards like you ruin the game.
Disappointing tonight as not much in the game,thought/hoped we were going to get a point! Stoke v Barnsley tomorrow! A Stoke win keeps Barnsley 5 points away from us but a 2-0 Stoke win takes them above us-A draw would be best??
Hard to tell what we want...
do we want the bottom two to be as far away from us and then Wigan to have points deducted
or
so we want as many teams between us and the relegation zone
We want those teams around us to draw when they play each other and to lose when they play anyone else. Apart from when they play us of course! That way if we beat Wigan and say Reading too we might be just about safe.
Granted, but they would be 10 Christmas’ at once!
In reality, teams are going to pick up points - it’s how we prefer they do it is the question
I hoped I'd answered that one but, if you're asking me to predict how those teams' results will actually go, all I can say is that if I could do that I would currently be residing in a tax free jurisdiction like those Cayman Island and Lookout chaps - counting all my money!
Piss weak referee lets Cooper off with yellow card for horror over the ball studs up assault on Morgan. Only a yellow for thrown elbow by Molumby who followed up with blow to head also on Morgan. Morgan not fit for 2nd half Cooper scores winner. Whitestone this one’s on you you inadequate spineless farce. Hopeless cowards like you ruin the game.
Yep the referee was poor. We could’ve had 2 or 3 penalties in the first half easily. The first one was stonewall. Matt Smith got wrestled to the floor as the flight of the ball was coming straight for him.
Oh, and don’t think there was any intention with the elbow from molumby. If you watch him he didn’t take his eye off the ball once.
Performance was not much different to the previous 3 games which hauled 7 points, so take out the "Miilll factor" and perhaps people will be a bit more realistic.
Dillon deserves no abuse. He saved a certain goal in the first half and although didn't do great with the shot which led to the goal, it is not his job to track the loose attacker who put in the rebound.
The real villain is Bonne, who should have buried his chance. But he is still developing and cost peanuts, so you can't be too harsh.
Since football resumed, I ain't seen a team who look invincible or in any kind of groove. There probably isn't any of them saying in the dressing room that they feel invincible. This is a mini season of chess and I hope Bowyer can achieve check mate
All I'll say is thank the lawd it's the end of a feckin bad week for Addicks, with most ( or all ? ) the results from teams around us going against us.
Although it may be true to say our fate lies in our own hands, this time we need a shed load of help from others for sure.
Even after tonight's disappointment, I'm trying hard to remain positive regarding the avoidance of relegation but it's becoming increasingly more difficult.
I echo the words of all Lifers that have roundly criticised our ex striker's actions on here & find myself shouting to the TV time after time that HWSNBN would have slotted that chance away ....One player should not make such a difference but in this case, his absence is a cruel & selfish act which may cost us dear.
Over the past 6 years we have been dealt a shitty hand, not once but more times & in more ways than I care to remember. Yet we managed to pull ourselves out of the mire by the skin of our teeth every time ...just.
Last season's fantastic result at Wembley was unforgettable, with players, management & fans straining every sinew against the odds to propel us to victory and another opportunity to compete at Championship level.
All this despite a paltry budget & an uncaring owner....
A year later the target is a different one but the odds haven't changed....and this time, the faithful have been effectively gagged by virtue of the corona virus. All we can do as we bite our nails nervously from our front rooms, is to ensure we wear those lucky pants & keep to the pre match rituals we employ when we attend in person....Fanny's supply of "lucky" humbugs is removed from the kitchen cupboard before every game.
So, we have to put our trust into the lads who wear the shirt & the very special manager that we have at the helm.
And hope beyond hope that they can put tonight's disappointment firmly behind them, gird their substantial loins and be ready to step up again on Tuesday to give their all to the next challenge.
Bow & JJ will do everything in their power to lift the players and we have to believe that we have a chance to get something from each match still to be played. To do anything less is unthinkable ...
But wouldn't it be great if there was some really positive, encouraging news off the pitch regarding the future of our beloved club, regardless of where we find ourselves next season ? Something for Bow, JJ,SG, the squad AND the fans to hang their hats on & a definite boost for all concerned.
Too many shit players in our team , scum more than good enough to beat us . We can’t rely on Lady Luck to keep us up our own shitness Due to wank ownership beyond belief will see us down and if by a miracle it’s not this season it will be next .
i genuinely hate Charlton with a passion after every lame performance against them c***s we all knew it was coming once the game had started and we fluffed the Bonne chance
as the game Went on I got more agitated , swearing at the kids , tv , dogs , Charlton ,scum ,the wind , Rain, the tv remote and then once they stuck the knife in you knew our attempt to get back in the game would be weaker than a girls u-7 netball Team .
fuck Charlton for doing this to me and my fucked up head . havent picked my phone up since ht cos I can’t be having any contact cos I’d launch the phone .
sympathy shag from the Mrs took my mind away from the pain for a few seconds
Shame Cullen had his worst game in a while. I think that was pivotal to the result. As well as that, too many players shoehorned into the wrong position, plus Bonne's effort spinning to safety off the tip of the keeper's toe instead of into the net (literally a couple of millimetres from being a great finish).
All season, we have played better against the more expansive teams, hence the reason we are unbeaten against the current top six. Unfortunately, we have a bad habit of losing to teams that play minimalist football. This is something Bowyer needs to address, because if we get sucked into their style of play like we did tonight, then the taller, more muscular and cynical side will nearly always win (Preston, Birmingham and Middlesbro at home spring instantly to mind).
Despite one or two decent chances, our forwards are lacking confidence and snatching at the occasional opportunities they get. Bonne has shown he can be a half decent poacher inside the box, but we need to get the ball in there regularly, and not with a hopeful diagonal cross from halfway inside the opponents half. Hemed too needs good crosses into the box, preferably pulled back from the byline. With Aneke and Doughty also able to get a shot away in tight spaces, surely we just need to concentrate on getting the ball in there quickly and more often. Tonight, our best chance came from two 50/50 challenges breaking our way in a matter of seconds. We need to have a go! Off the top of my head, at home to West Brom, away to Fulham, home to Fulham (last 30 minutes), home to Forest, away to Swansea (2nd half), we took the game to our opponents and really rattled them. With the defence we have, we should trust them and attack more.
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We just have to hope that we get a couple of goals via a bit of luck in the last few games and that teams around us drop a few points the meantime.
I think if some of the 6 below us drop points over the weekend that may give the players a bit of confidence. If they all win again and the gap closes then I worry.
It is still in our hands .... just. If Chuk is the answer up front then surely he must start & play for as long he is able. I haven't seen the games but surely if Bonne & Hemed are so out of touch why start them both ? If McGeady is so shit playing wide bench him & then if we're chasing the game bring him on to play a more central role behind the front two, & hopefully picking up loose balls around the area, he's got a decent shot on him, at least have a go. I'm sure there's still a lot of twists & turns with everyone below us picking up wins just the same as us but with Brentford next & Leeds last game + our inability to score I fear the worst. Bedwetter Bob
Right kick in the bollocks this.
Then look at our midfield: McGeady looks ok until he gets near the box then falls apart, Cullen who has looked unstoppable lately looked very ordinary, Morgan was ushered out of the game and Williams gave a perfect demonstration of why he's not been getting picked. We need to do better and it needs to start with The Bees. I'm not one of those who are writing off the Brentford and Leeds games. There is always something to play for. You never know your luck in this game, unless you happen to be wearing a blue shirt in a South London derby.
The reality is that we didn't create enough, whether in open play or from set pieces. In the first half Millwall looked dangerous from nearly every set piece, it's a limited way of attacking but they did it well.
More concerned than angry tbh as with the form of the teams below us we still probably need two wins which is looking a big ask with how toothless we are up front.
one thing that baffles me is Oshilaja at left back...I just don’t understand Bowyers thinking behind it.
Williams has more assists than any other player in our squad. Yet he has only started 13 games and was given 15 minutes tonight to get us a result.
According to LB we had five clear cut chances and they had one half chance that they took. I suggest he watches the game again. Then he publicly blames Bonne for costing us the game by missing the one on one. As if his confidence isn't low enough as it is.
So yes we probably can't go for it in the way we might like against Brentford and Leeds because those two sides would probably rip us to shreds on the counter. But let's see a little bit more adventure against the likes of Reading, Birmingham and Wigan because we simply have to win two of those games.
Stoke v Barnsley tomorrow! A Stoke win keeps Barnsley 5 points away
from us but a 2-0 Stoke win takes them above us-A draw would be best??
do we want the bottom two to be as far away from us and then Wigan to have points deducted
or
so we want as many teams between us and the relegation zone
Dillon deserves no abuse. He saved a certain goal in the first half and although didn't do great with the shot which led to the goal, it is not his job to track the loose attacker who put in the rebound.
The real villain is Bonne, who should have buried his chance. But he is still developing and cost peanuts, so you can't be too harsh.
Since football resumed, I ain't seen a team who look invincible or in any kind of groove. There probably isn't any of them saying in the dressing room that they feel invincible. This is a mini season of chess and I hope Bowyer can achieve check mate
Although it may be true to say our fate lies in our own hands, this time we need a shed load of help from others for sure.
Even after tonight's disappointment, I'm trying hard to remain positive regarding the avoidance of relegation but it's becoming increasingly more difficult.
I echo the words of all Lifers that have roundly criticised our ex striker's actions on here & find myself shouting to the TV time after time that HWSNBN would have slotted that chance away ....One player should not make such a difference but in this case, his absence is a cruel & selfish act which may cost us dear.
Over the past 6 years we have been dealt a shitty hand, not once but more times & in more ways than I care to remember. Yet we managed to pull ourselves out of the mire by the skin of our teeth every time ...just.
Last season's fantastic result at Wembley was unforgettable, with players, management & fans straining every sinew against the odds to propel us to victory and another opportunity to compete at Championship level.
All this despite a paltry budget & an uncaring owner....
A year later the target is a different one but the odds haven't changed....and this time, the faithful have been effectively gagged by virtue of the corona virus. All we can do as we bite our nails nervously from our front rooms, is to ensure we wear those lucky pants & keep to the pre match rituals we employ when we attend in person....Fanny's supply of "lucky" humbugs is removed from the kitchen cupboard before every game.
So, we have to put our trust into the lads who wear the shirt & the very special manager that we have at the helm.
And hope beyond hope that they can put tonight's disappointment firmly behind them, gird their substantial loins and be ready to step up again on Tuesday to give their all to the next challenge.
Bow & JJ will do everything in their power to lift the players and we have to believe that we have a chance to get something from each match still to be played. To do anything less is unthinkable ...
But wouldn't it be great if there was some really positive, encouraging news off the pitch regarding the future of our beloved club, regardless of where we find ourselves next season ? Something for Bow, JJ,SG, the squad AND the fans to hang their hats on & a definite boost for all concerned.
We can but hope....
COYA !!!!!!!!
We can’t rely on Lady Luck to keep us up
our own shitness Due to wank ownership beyond belief will see us down and if by a miracle it’s not this season it will be next .
i genuinely hate Charlton with a passion after every lame performance against them c***s we all knew it was coming once the game had started and we fluffed the Bonne chance
as the game Went on I got more agitated , swearing at the kids , tv , dogs , Charlton ,scum ,the wind , Rain, the tv remote and then once they stuck the knife in you knew our attempt to get back in the game would be weaker than a girls u-7 netball Team .
fuck Charlton for doing this to me and my fucked up head .
havent picked my phone up since ht cos I can’t be having any contact cos I’d launch the phone .
sympathy shag from the Mrs took my mind away from the pain for a few seconds
now I’m on the bog all shrivelled up and deflated
fuck you Charlton you pathetic c***s
we haven’t got a goal in us it’s all over
70% down ...30% not down
I’m 100% down
All season, we have played better against the more expansive teams, hence the reason we are unbeaten against the current top six. Unfortunately, we have a bad habit of losing to teams that play minimalist football. This is something Bowyer needs to address, because if we get sucked into their style of play like we did tonight, then the taller, more muscular and cynical side will nearly always win (Preston, Birmingham and Middlesbro at home spring instantly to mind).
Despite one or two decent chances, our forwards are lacking confidence and snatching at the occasional opportunities they get. Bonne has shown he can be a half decent poacher inside the box, but we need to get the ball in there regularly, and not with a hopeful diagonal cross from halfway inside the opponents half.
Hemed too needs good crosses into the box, preferably pulled back from the byline. With Aneke and Doughty also able to get a shot away in tight spaces, surely we just need to concentrate on getting the ball in there quickly and more often. Tonight, our best chance came from two 50/50 challenges breaking our way in a matter of seconds. We need to have a go! Off the top of my head, at home to West Brom, away to Fulham, home to Fulham (last 30 minutes), home to Forest, away to Swansea (2nd half), we took the game to our opponents and really rattled them. With the defence we have, we should trust them and attack more.