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Charlton v Reading | Post-match thread | 11/07/2020
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golfaddick said:
What ?!! You agree that he shouldn't have honoured his contract & simply not play for the final 2 weeks of June ? Yeah......model pro.ElfsborgAddick said:
I don't disagree with what Taylor did.stoneroses19 said:
Why not? Cullen extended his contract to play all remaining games. Why couldn’t Lyle have done that too?ElfsborgAddick said:
Rubbish. 7 points from 9 in the 3 games Taylor could have played. After that he would not have been playing.MeerKat said:Bonne aint the problem. Lyle taylor is the problem. And arguably Hemed. I expected more from him this season as an experienced pro. Instead id rather we took a chance with bonne and davison. I would also love to know who recruited chuks. I think there is a player there, just not a bowyer player.
I'm not sure but I think most players n the Championship have signed extensions to their contracts & played during July.
What he done was wrong, of course. But I understand why he did it.
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Darren Bond was wildly inconsistent and manifestly unfair the penalties have been well covered but also Swift for Reading committed a succession of petty fouls in midfield within a few minutes culminating in a cynical pull back. Bond ostentatiously had a word with him: no yellow. Moments later Doughty tugs back a royal: immediate yellow. Bond knows the rules but chose not to apply them. We can rant til the cows come home about JFC’s treatment but Bond can hide behind “I saw what I saw”. Same for the linesman. Bond has no defence for the Swift/Doughty corruption and should be pilloried and sanctioned accordingly. LB should mark him zero for the game and detail why.
all of which is galling but so much hot air changing nothing1 -
Makes those Brentford subs really worth it now....
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Pretty sure Oshilaja used to be a forward when he was younger. Might as well have him and Sarr up front for the next game than the cack that call themselves forwards at this club.
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Bowyer’s selections and formation were crass. Throwing Albie under the bus is unforgivable.
DO and AM on the left gave Reading a free pass down their right
DO at lb is at best a square peg in a round hole. It worked as a horse for a particular course once and has been calamitous since. With BP and AD available it is moronic.
AM on the left greatly limits his chances to impact the game positively. LB has criticised his defensive rigour before yet installs him in front of a limited lb. moronic
If AM and AMcG are the best options to start then AM right and AMcG left makes far better use of their respective skills and experience. Baffling
LB set the team up to fail having learned nothing from the last 4 or 5 games
We’re in deepening trouble and the manager is now very much part of the problemRelying on other teams and outside forces to avoid the drop
things are as bleak as at any time since the stubborn delusional 🐀 got his wonky orange teeth into the carcass of the thing we once knew as Charlton Athletic3 -
Problem is that opposition teams can target the space behind Albie now very easily and without any deep tactical study....our manager has told them what to do.0
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Agree 110%. I would rather LB was honest and said he made a mistake than start throwing players under buses.... He got it wrong with tactics and if we are to win a game then play Doughty from the start.StigThundercock said:Bowyer’s selections and formation were crass. Throwing Albie under the bus is unforgivable.
DO and AM on the left gave Reading a free pass down their right
DO at lb is at best a square peg in a round hole. It worked as a horse for a particular course once and has been calamitous since. With BP and AD available it is moronic.
AM on the left greatly limits his chances to impact the game positively. LB has criticised his defensive rigour before yet installs him in front of a limited lb. moronic
If AM and AMcG are the best options to start then AM right and AMcG left makes far better use of their respective skills and experience. Baffling
LB set the team up to fail having learned nothing from the last 4 or 5 games
We’re in deepening trouble and the manager is now very much part of the problemRelying on other teams and outside forces to avoid the drop
things are as bleak as at any time since the stubborn delusional 🐀 got his wonky orange teeth into the carcass of the thing we once knew as Charlton Athletic
Relying on miracles won't help us.0 -
Yes, if you sub your 2 left sided players at half time, then it's the managers who got it wrong with his original selectionpeterreeves said:
Agree 110%. I would rather LB was honest and said he made a mistake than start throwing players under buses.... He got it wrong with tactics and if we are to win a game then play Doughty from the start.StigThundercock said:Bowyer’s selections and formation were crass. Throwing Albie under the bus is unforgivable.
DO and AM on the left gave Reading a free pass down their right
DO at lb is at best a square peg in a round hole. It worked as a horse for a particular course once and has been calamitous since. With BP and AD available it is moronic.
AM on the left greatly limits his chances to impact the game positively. LB has criticised his defensive rigour before yet installs him in front of a limited lb. moronic
If AM and AMcG are the best options to start then AM right and AMcG left makes far better use of their respective skills and experience. Baffling
LB set the team up to fail having learned nothing from the last 4 or 5 games
We’re in deepening trouble and the manager is now very much part of the problemRelying on other teams and outside forces to avoid the drop
things are as bleak as at any time since the stubborn delusional 🐀 got his wonky orange teeth into the carcass of the thing we once knew as Charlton Athletic
Relying on miracles won't help us.
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Not necessarily, his original game plan was scuppered after 3 minutes conceding a penalty and so went more attacking second half and he can't be faulted for that. Had refereeing decisions gone our way we'd have got something from the game.killerandflash said:
Yes, if you sub your 2 left sided players at half time, then it's the managers who got it wrong with his original selectionpeterreeves said:
Agree 110%. I would rather LB was honest and said he made a mistake than start throwing players under buses.... He got it wrong with tactics and if we are to win a game then play Doughty from the start.StigThundercock said:Bowyer’s selections and formation were crass. Throwing Albie under the bus is unforgivable.
DO and AM on the left gave Reading a free pass down their right
DO at lb is at best a square peg in a round hole. It worked as a horse for a particular course once and has been calamitous since. With BP and AD available it is moronic.
AM on the left greatly limits his chances to impact the game positively. LB has criticised his defensive rigour before yet installs him in front of a limited lb. moronic
If AM and AMcG are the best options to start then AM right and AMcG left makes far better use of their respective skills and experience. Baffling
LB set the team up to fail having learned nothing from the last 4 or 5 games
We’re in deepening trouble and the manager is now very much part of the problemRelying on other teams and outside forces to avoid the drop
things are as bleak as at any time since the stubborn delusional 🐀 got his wonky orange teeth into the carcass of the thing we once knew as Charlton Athletic
Relying on miracles won't help us.5 -
Oh Chuks! Chuks Aneke – What have you done!
Ten good chances to keep us up – each fluffed, shanked, bumbled and skied.
Always muscle-bound - a gridiron gimp from the Green Bay Packers. Look at my Charlton hero strikers: Paul Walsh, Mike Flanagan and Killer Hales, They are lithe, accelerating, swivelling, darting and powering. And Yann Kermorgant: intelligent, subtle. All lethal.
Morgan and Doughty are vague and peripheral. Our midfield is congenitally weak: shuffling shadows, passing sideways to men in fear. They pass it back. We are 0-1 down. Williams, our super-sub, is sent on - with the point of being fouled in the box. He sits on the turf, pulls up his socks. Cullen misplaces another free-kick. Pratley is the best of our midfielders: chipping at shins, arms and ankles - and like Bowyer himself, sprinting to the box.
Look at this: We have an attacking throw in. Camera zooms in to a face, ball held over head. Poised. An eclipse passes as he realises: There is nobody there. No-one running, darting in to space. His expression falls: This is the eerie shadow of death. Rochdale and Accrington.
Oh Chuks! All those missed chances!
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Absolutely right it was Morgan’s fault. Deji was covering his man, Albie let his run into the box. Deji has to try and cover for Albie from a bad starting position.EveshamAddick said:
Oh I see the penalty was Morgan’s fault, not the guy playing at left back who isn’t a left back.ForeverAddickted said:How you don’t see that I just do not know. Personally if I was Deji (or Pearce or Lockyer) I would be pinning Albie up against the wall in the changing rooms.No matter how good you are on the ball, you earn the right to be on the pitch off of the ball. Albie has let the team down again by losing concentration off of the ball. It’s his Achilles heel. He needs to sort it.5 -
Is there any merit in asking if Morgan would be better than as a player with a free role to create, rather than assigning him a man to mark coming back? Just wondering, not saying it’s way I definitely believe would work.1
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I can’t believe how some can’t see what is in front of their eyes. Absolutely it was Morgan’s fault, HIS man just ran into the box while Albie stood and watched. He is a defensive liability - doesn’t matter what he does in the ballsammy391 said:Bowyer for some reason, can’t stand Morgan!No chance was it Morgan’s fault the penalty, and to keep scapegoating him is ridiculous!
he had a blinder today!1 -
Arrant ballsWelshValley said:
Absolutely right it was Morgan’s fault. Deji was covering his man, Albie let his run into the box. Deji has to try and cover for Albie from a bad starting position.EveshamAddick said:
Oh I see the penalty was Morgan’s fault, not the guy playing at left back who isn’t a left back.ForeverAddickted said:How you don’t see that I just do not know. Personally if I was Deji (or Pearce or Lockyer) I would be pinning Albie up against the wall in the changing rooms.No matter how good you are on the ball, you earn the right to be on the pitch off of the ball. Albie has let the team down again by losing concentration off of the ball. It’s his Achilles heel. He needs to sort it.
DO was on the wrong side of his man - gormless
That close to goal Phillips’s chances of foiling the attack are good
DO blunders into the back of his man - gormless
DO contributed to a poor situation then actively made it worse
Chuks not fit to lace DO’s boots3 -
Chuks is the worst chump in Charlton red since Pawel Abbot
inert
lazy
gormless
he miraculously combines the worst of Hemed Abbot Church and comes up with less
he’s nuisance value to his teammates
constantly in the way
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Maybe but there are players from the past Bobby Charlton, Matt Le Tissier and more recent, Eriksen, Ozil and Hazard who's attributes were/are so good in attacking areas there was not an over reliance on their defensive capabilities. In fact Bobby rarely tackled preferring to jockey his man.Danny Addick said:Is there any merit in asking if Morgan would be better than as a player with a free role to create, rather than assigning him a man to mark coming back? Just wondering, not saying it’s way I definitely believe would work.
Now those players have exceptional talent and their team's make up will have been structured to accommodate them. In Albie's case he is still learning and Bowyer at the moment obviously feels his game needs to be more rounded with some defensive responsibility. The more experienced options for a free role, Williams, McGeedy, and to play since lockdown Oztuhmer are above Albie in the pecking order IMO.
I don't see Bowyer changing his thinking with just three games to go but he must rate the lad otherwise wouldn't have selected him after the Millwall game. Next season maybe we'll see him deployed further forward especially if we are in a lower league with the squad likely to see quite a few changes.2 -
Having watched it again earlier I can see how it was Albie’s fault. Let the man in and DO had to try to cover.WelshValley said:
Absolutely right it was Morgan’s fault. Deji was covering his man, Albie let his run into the box. Deji has to try and cover for Albie from a bad starting position.EveshamAddick said:
Oh I see the penalty was Morgan’s fault, not the guy playing at left back who isn’t a left back.ForeverAddickted said:How you don’t see that I just do not know. Personally if I was Deji (or Pearce or Lockyer) I would be pinning Albie up against the wall in the changing rooms.No matter how good you are on the ball, you earn the right to be on the pitch off of the ball. Albie has let the team down again by losing concentration off of the ball. It’s his Achilles heel. He needs to sort it.2 -
Ha, ha, ha, says the person who's probably never played above Sunday League, you do bring joy to my day.StigThundercock said:
Arrant ballsWelshValley said:
Absolutely right it was Morgan’s fault. Deji was covering his man, Albie let his run into the box. Deji has to try and cover for Albie from a bad starting position.EveshamAddick said:
Oh I see the penalty was Morgan’s fault, not the guy playing at left back who isn’t a left back.ForeverAddickted said:How you don’t see that I just do not know. Personally if I was Deji (or Pearce or Lockyer) I would be pinning Albie up against the wall in the changing rooms.No matter how good you are on the ball, you earn the right to be on the pitch off of the ball. Albie has let the team down again by losing concentration off of the ball. It’s his Achilles heel. He needs to sort it.
DO was on the wrong side of his man - gormless
That close to goal Phillips’s chances of foiling the attack are good
DO blunders into the back of his man - gormless
DO contributed to a poor situation then actively made it worse
Chuks not fit to lace DO’s boots1 -
Blucher said:
Aneke had a goal disallowed for offside just before that - a marginal call and I wasn’t sure from the stream at the time whether it was right or not. Aneke did seem to move forward slightly in anticipation as McGeady shot and that probably caused the linesman to flag (incorrectly, it now appears). It’s just the sort of decision that goes against you when you’re at the wrong end of the table.
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Bowyer learned under Curbishley.
Curbs wasn't afraid to substitute or leave players out to make his point.
My personal opinion is that, on this occasion, I think by removing Morgan he cut his nose off to spite his face. I said on the Match Thread I hope he keeps Morgan on. That said Doughty was effective when he was introduced.
I suppose the decision comes down to risking losing by more than 1-0 with two inexperienced players playing together against winning or drawing if those inexperienced players get it right.
Those are the decisions managers are paid to make and the fact that we are still in a position at all to possibly stay up suggests that, given the shambles he has had to work with, Bowyer has got it right more often than he has got it wrong this season.1 -
Why wouldnt he be playing? He was contracted til the end of the season. I know the season was interupted by covid, so that players then had to agree to extend for a further month. And i go back and forth on whether it was wright or right to do so. But at the start of the season, and i imagine part of the reason he wasnt sold in january, was the expectation that he would give his all to the last day. We did do well in the games til the end of june. But i find it hard to imagine we would not have done better had he been playing in the games we had since.oohaahmortimer said:
Exactly , everyone saying I wish he had seen out his contract and he could have left a legend are now cunting him off for not playing when his contract would have run out !!ElfsborgAddick said:
Rubbish. 7 points from 9 in the 3 games Taylor could have played. After that he would not have been playing.MeerKat said:Bonne aint the problem. Lyle taylor is the problem. And arguably Hemed. I expected more from him this season as an experienced pro. Instead id rather we took a chance with bonne and davison. I would also love to know who recruited chuks. I think there is a player there, just not a bowyer player.
As you correctly point out 7 points from 9 in the 3 games he missed whilst under contract .0 -
After reading the rest of thread i think i know what you mean regarding playing through july. Im undecided myself, but i cant help feel anger towards both lyle and covid19. I suppose its easier to hate lyle as he has a face i can put to it.MeerKat said:
Why wouldnt he be playing? He was contracted til the end of the season. I know the season was interupted by covid, so that players then had to agree to extend for a further month. And i go back and forth on whether it was wright or right to do so. But at the start of the season, and i imagine part of the reason he wasnt sold in january, was the expectation that he would give his all to the last day. We did do well in the games til the end of june. But i find it hard to imagine we would not have done better had he been playing in the games we had since.oohaahmortimer said:
Exactly , everyone saying I wish he had seen out his contract and he could have left a legend are now cunting him off for not playing when his contract would have run out !!ElfsborgAddick said:
Rubbish. 7 points from 9 in the 3 games Taylor could have played. After that he would not have been playing.MeerKat said:Bonne aint the problem. Lyle taylor is the problem. And arguably Hemed. I expected more from him this season as an experienced pro. Instead id rather we took a chance with bonne and davison. I would also love to know who recruited chuks. I think there is a player there, just not a bowyer player.
As you correctly point out 7 points from 9 in the 3 games he missed whilst under contract .0 -
All this constant knocking of Bowyer whenever a result goes against us is all so predictable and depressing.
Apparently he "doesn't know what he's doing" now. Oh Really?9 -
He is very good at giving a team a solid spine and will to compete, but his game management is clearly questionable (given how many we throw away late or fail to come back into) and he is quite obviously an extremely conservative manager, which is good against better teams but not what's required in more winnable games. Should he be immune from criticism?Off_it said:All this constant knocking of Bowyer whenever a result goes against us is all so predictable and depressing.
Apparently he "doesn't know what he's doing" now. Oh Really?2 -
Would you say he is "Championship quality" Leuth?0
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Potentially, yes. Jury's out. I'll tell you after the Leeds game0
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(I'm mostly kidding there tbh - with a decent squad and - crucially - lethal strikers, I think he'd sort out the defensive aspects of most Championship sides)0
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As angry as I have been for a long time after a game. Whatever anyone says, the referee and his chum get their decisions right, we win that game. This is then a totally different thread.8
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Yes really. Once we go a goal down then you might as well forget it. I believe the only game this season that we've come from behind to win is at home against Bristol City on Boxing Day.Off_it said:All this constant knocking of Bowyer whenever a result goes against us is all so predictable and depressing.
Apparently he "doesn't know what he's doing" now. Oh Really?
For the last 3 games I would like to see minimal changes to the starting 11. Start with the 11 that played so well for 60 mins against Brentford. Maybe put Morgan in for JFC of you dont feel JFC can start 2 games in a row but otherwise stay as you are. Players these days can play 3 games in a week and half the team have been in & out of the team anyway with Williams, Doughty Field & JFC having been bit players recently.
No need for Oshilaja to be at lb when we have Doughty & Purrington who are both left footed.4
