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Charlton v Reading | Post-match thread | 11/07/2020

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  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    Gutted.

    Albie did not follow the runner, not sure what else Oshi could have done (and I am not a fan of him at LB).

    I am a fan of Pratley but today he slowed up play and made us to negative (without doing anything wrong).

    Apart from the two ref mistakes we never looked like scoring, our forwards are poor at this level but midfielders also don't shoot despite running into the box with it (Williams, Cullen and defender Matthews come to mind).

    I thought McGeady had an excellent first half and he can shoot (well relative to all).

    I am starting to wonder if we should play with a false no. 9 like Spain! 

    We will not go down through lack of effort though or through Bowyer. We all know where the blame lies.
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,787
    I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the Championship 
  • I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the Championship 
    Criticism of Bonne is a bit harsh in my opinion.

    Ok he should've scored in the first half but he was playing non league last season and he was supposedly bought as one for the future.

    He wasn't bought to be leading our attack in his first season at this level.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the Championship 
    He needs about 10 chances to score 1 goal. Unfortunately all of our strikers leave a lot to be desired. 
  • cazo
    cazo Posts: 1,484
    Second half team should of started bows got it all wrong 
  • Another game we'd have won with Taylor. 

    Unforgivable miss from Bonne. You pay peanuts etc. 

    I got lambasted early in the season, but unless others implode I think that's us down. Poor Bowyer selections today. Fuming. 
    You pay peanuts!!
    Chuks is on more £££ than lyle was??
  • We were the better side but are toothless up front. Shouldn't have lost but with Bonne and Aneke up front we have little chance.


  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,897
    edited July 2020
    Its gutting when the referreing decisions go against. The decisions will even out. Even with a weakened attack without Lyle 'self preservation society' Taylor, Charlton are creating chances. On another day its a point or maybe 3. A team makes it own luck and if Charlton keep on working hard like they are doing, there is still a chance that Charlton can stay up.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    2/16 shots on target... 

    Morgan subbed at half time again.

    Bowyer's decisions are becoming more and more idiotic by the game.

    Also Doughty back at LB or Purrington but not Deji.

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  • sinceiwasyoung
    sinceiwasyoung Posts: 1,040
    Didn't deserve to lose . Not sure what we did to piss the officials off . Birmingham is the now the biggest game of the season .
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,747
    vff said:
    Its gutting when the referreing decisions go against. The decisions will even out. Even with a weakened attack without Lyle 'self preservation society' Taylor, Charlton are creating chances. On another day its a point or maybe 3. A team makes it own luck and if Charlton keep on working hard like they are doing, there is still a chance that Charlton can stay up.
    We're surely going to need a monumental amount of decisions to go for us in these last three games after this game and the Brentford one
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,645
    don't know why people are wanting Williams to start, he did nothing constructive today, he ran sideways, he lost the ball about the only good thing he did was win some free kicks  which we did not take an advantage.
    I feel sorry for Bonne he came to Charlton to learn he should not be our main striker he just is not good enough yet.
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,897
    edited July 2020
    vff said:
    Its gutting when the referreing decisions go against. The decisions will even out. Even with a weakened attack without Lyle 'self preservation society' Taylor, Charlton are creating chances. On another day its a point or maybe 3. A team makes it own luck and if Charlton keep on working hard like they are doing, there is still a chance that Charlton can stay up.
    We're surely going to need a monumental amount of decisions to go for us in these last three games after this game and the Brentford one
    Charlton only need a couple of key decisions to go to us in a close game and its 3 points. Some games the luck is against. Charlton are pushing up hill with a weakened forward line, but if the goal given offside is given, there is a chance of at least a point in this game.  Keeping the faith and strong hearts are needed. If the players continue to work hard then there's a good chance for 4 points in the remaining 3 games & that may be enough to keep us up.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,747
    vff said:
    vff said:
    Its gutting when the referreing decisions go against. The decisions will even out. Even with a weakened attack without Lyle 'self preservation society' Taylor, Charlton are creating chances. On another day its a point or maybe 3. A team makes it own luck and if Charlton keep on working hard like they are doing, there is still a chance that Charlton can stay up.
    We're surely going to need a monumental amount of decisions to go for us in these last three games after this game and the Brentford one
    Charlton only need a couple of key decisions to go to us in a close game and its 3 points. Some games the luck is against. Charlton are pushing up hill with a weakened forward line, but if the goal given offside is given, there is a chance of at least a point in this game.  Keeping the faith and strong hearts are needed. If the players continue to work hard then there's a good chance for 4 points in the remaining 3 games & that may be enough to keep us up.
    Part of me doesnt even think four points are needed now

    Getting less and less surprised if we all go to the final day of the season with every club (Barnsley maybe not so much) mathematically able to go down should a miracle happen etc.
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,609
    Sorry it wasn’t good enough. Reading basically played at 75% , they never chased balls, gave us more room than side has this season, were laughing and joking. They were so laid back they were horizontal , An fuck me, we still lost........  BUGGER.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 2,968
    Referee was crap,but they are not alone,just watching a tackle by a wigan player that could have killed someone,just a yellow,then a Hull player already on a yellow,totally wipes out a millwall player,just a talking to,something has to be done about this.For our disallowed penalty,the lino was right next to it,and ref 10 yds away,officials are actually getting worse.
  • don't know why people are wanting Williams to start, he did nothing constructive today, he ran sideways, he lost the ball about the only good thing he did was win some free kicks  which we did not take an advantage.
    I feel sorry for Bonne he came to Charlton to learn he should not be our main striker he just is not good enough yet.
    This. Bowyer didn't buy Bonne with the expectation that he would be leading our front line. He was a 'project' player, with the club having a punt, that he might develop as a squad player, but if not sell him on. Sadly Bowyer has had his pants pulled down, time and time again at Charlton. Our squad is like wearing a bunch of hand-me-downs when attending Royal Ascot. We are trying to gate crash a party when we don't fit in. 

    I truly believe they are doing their best, but Reading have a £7m player (that they bought) and we have a lack of investment that is palpable. 

    If we stay up Bowyer will be a hero. If we go down, just like anyone worth a bean, he will be gone. 
  • I love Bows but that's absolute fucking bullshit. 

    You wouldn't ask modric or gazza to track the right winger Inside the LB. 

    That's was Dejis man not Albie. 

    Fck me Lee we need some creativity going forward not our most creative player tracking runs in the box. 

    While I'm on it does he watch McGeadys tracking back  how comes he stays on???? 

    We got 2 sometimes 3 CDMs on the pitch and he wants Morgan tracking runners in the box.

    We need to win Lee

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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,506
    Hull and Boro both losing.....about 15 mins to go!
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,745
    ct_addick said:
    Oi Bowyer don't blame Albie. It was your choice of LB that fcuked up. Totally out of order
    Bowyer has form for it. Threw Bonne under the bus after Millwall  now Morgan. 

    Perhaps he should start looking at himself & his decisions. Stop playing Oshilaja at left back for a start.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,729
    Stop playing Oshilaga and Bonne  full stop.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,747
    edited July 2020
    ct_addick said:
    Oi Bowyer don't blame Albie. It was your choice of LB that fcuked up. Totally out of order
    Bowyer has form for it. Threw Bonne under the bus after Millwall  now Morgan. 

    Perhaps he should start looking at himself & his decisions. Stop playing Oshilaja at left back for a start.
    Dont find it odd that its those two that he's taking a personal interest in their development?

    He's not doing it to be a prick, he's doing it to try and help them
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,745
    edited July 2020
    Heard on Sky just now that in 20 games that we've gone behind we haven't then scored.

    Shocking. 
  • How bad / fit is Ben Purrington if Deji keeps playing out of position?
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,920
    edited July 2020
    Just seen the highlights back again.

    Re the Reading penalty incident, I didn't know what Bowyer was talking about at first but it's as clear as day when you watch it back. Morgan doesn't track his man and he has a free run into the box which forces Oshilaja to come across to put in a challenge, but by then he's already the wrong side of him. Albie is culpable I'm afraid. Oshilija too as his challenge wasn't great, but by then there was little else he could do. Even then it was a soft one as it's more a coming together than a deliberate trip or a push.

    The "offside" goal is definitely onside. Its tight and you can see why the linesman flagged as by the time the ball comes out again he looks miles off, but it was the wrong call. The sort of thing that goes against you when your luck's out.

    The Bonne chance is as clear a chance as you could want or expect at this level. He's three or four yards out with only the keeper in front of him and just HAS to get his effort on target. No excuses. The only thing you could say is that the ball possibly came across at a slightly difficult height and he may have been better off throwing his head at it, but its another golden chance squandered.

    JFC is clearly being held back for the "non-penalty" decision. The bloke has wrapped two arms around him at one point. That's deliberate and not even debatabe. JFC does fall down dramatically, which probably counted against him, and if he'd given it then it probably would've fallen into the slightly "soft" category, but certainly no softer that the Reading penalty. The booking just added insult to injury.

    Aside from that, Big Chuks had a couple of half chances he could/should have done better with but Reading offered very little (although did they need to?)

    Definitely unlucky not to have got at least a point and the lads certainly gave it their all. But that's how it goes, particularly when you just lack that bit of quality where it really counts. League 1 squad, League 1 budget , etc
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,745
    Team for Wednesday should be the one that started against Brentford & subs made only after 70 mins or if injured.

    If players cant play 3 games in a week then there is something very wrong. The Forest team that won the European Cup & went 42 league games unbeaten played over 60 games that season. Only 1 sub allowed in those days & the pitches were heavy & devoid of grass during winter. 
  • I’ve got the right hump after watching that game, how on earth do we come back from this?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,673
    I’ve got the right hump after watching that game, how on earth do we come back from this?
    Luckily for us Hull lost too so it's as we were in terms of the bottom 3.

    We need something at Birmingham though preferably a win.