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Charlton v Reading | Post-match thread | 11/07/2020
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Indisputable that Bonne, Aneke and Hemed aren’t good enough at this level BUT:
a) LB and his team have worked wonders with F-all resources to play with to give us a chance even now to survive in the Championship.
b) Taylor as partner made Bonne (certainly) a better player. Given the quality of Brentford and the impossibility of any Charlton 11 getting anything vs Millwall, it’s today that Taylor’s cowardice has cost has and, if we go down, given the shambles of ownership this season, I’d lay the blame squarely with Taylor’s bottling it.
Bowyer and we deserved a lot better.9 -
We created loads of chances. Aneke must have had 3 or 4 decent chances one of which he scored from. Bonne at least 3. Pearce has a good chance on a couple of headers.I didn’t think we played badly or were that insipid. Having said that my decorator has been staying over and is Spurs, watched two of their games in the last week and that was proper shit.
Finally a bit of luck with the other teams around us failing to get points.
No doubt if we had kept Gallagher and if Taylor had played out his contract we would be safe. We didn’t and we aren’t. Going to be tight.1 -
Pick the same team in the same formation that started against Brentford.5
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Didn’t watch the match but other results went our way. A little worried that Barnsley and Luton are within spitting distance. Really thought they were goners a few weeks ago. We really like doing things the hard way, don’t we1
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Still lots of twists and turns to come this season. We always knew that without Taylor we'd struggle to score goals.
Today we could easily have had three (Bonne miss, Aneke, Pratley diving header, and the Pen)
I'd like to see Oztumer given a chance now as he can score goals and can pick a killer pass. I'd also give up on Hemed now and give Josh a go, he was great v WBA at home.
The boys need to keep giving it all they've got and hopefully our luck will change.1 -
A couple of decisions went against us but 3 goals in our last 9 games tells its own story and it’s obvious where are problems lie. The strikers are not up to it and players like Bonne, Aneke and Hemed are really League 1 standard. Albie Morgan, Doughty and Williams aside, we lack any real creativity in midfield and have practically no goals whatsoever from that area of the field, which serves to compound our problems up top.
Conceding a 2nd minute penalty was always a potential hammer blow for a side with so little goal threat and Oshilaja made a real mess of the challenge. He’s done ok playing out of position but there’s always been a concern that he’s an accident waiting to happen and today those fears were realised. A decent professional but, again, he’s not really up to Championship standard.
I thought that we responded reasonably well to going behind, although Reading then had a good spell in the first half where they cut through us far too easily. We should, however, have been on terms but Bonne missed a gilt-edged chance after McGeady’s best moment of the match. Aneke had a goal disallowed for offside just before that - a marginal call and I wasn’t sure from the stream at the time whether it was right or not. Aneke did seem to move forward slightly in anticipation as McGeady shot and that probably caused the linesman to flag (incorrectly, it now appears). It’s just the sort of decision that goes against you when you’re at the wrong end of the table.
I didn’t think that Reading created anything of note in the second half and they were content to play a containing game and rely upon our ineptitude. They were marshalled very well at the back by the excellent Michael Morrison and rarely looked in trouble, save for Alfie Doughty’s superb run and cross, which Pratters missed by inches. Their defender certainly had his arms around JFC but the slightly melodramatic fall probably convinced the ref that it was a dive.
A bitterly disappointing result, especially following Luton’s win at Huddersfield last night, which brings them within three points of us (albeit with a vastly inferior goal difference). At least the results at Hull, Boro and Barnsley went our way, but we really do have to find another win from somewhere if we’re going to save our skins.
Birmingham are by no means safe. If they lose at Stoke tomorrow, a Charlton win at St Andrews on Wednesday would put us above them on goal difference, so they certainly have something to play for.
Barnsley have a very difficult run-in and Hull have only won once in the last 19 league matches. Luton will feel they have a chance, with games against Hull and QPR to come but, ultimately, we need to conjure up a few goals and points to get our backside out of the bacon slicer.
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Selling Morrison was a worse decision than losing Yann, as we had Morro under long contract at the time!Davo55 said:And another thing. Michael Morrison bossed us all day long. Letting him go was a huge mistake - up there with Yann's departure - from the Duchatelet/Meire archive of total cock ups.
For a few months he was 3rd choice CB behind 2 capable, but ageing players, and we pushed him out. Morro has gone on to play another 200 games in the Championship and is still only 324 -
Agree with all three points above. It’s not a personal reflection on Bonne who tries his best but I am seriously now questioning the decision that he was even worth a punt as a “project”. He is basically useless. He lacks almost every basic skill required to be a championship quality striker from touch to nous and all points in between. Yes he has a good finish on him now and again but so have I and sadly I’ll never grace the red shirt. Criticism of him is not personal. It’s just a comment on the circumstances that see him in a role to which he is not ready for and, if I have any idea about football, never will be.The Prince-e-Paul said:
This. Bowyer didn't buy Bonne with the expectation that he would be leading our front line. He was a 'project' player, with the club having a punt, that he might develop as a squad player, but if not sell him on. Sadly Bowyer has had his pants pulled down, time and time again at Charlton. Our squad is like wearing a bunch of hand-me-downs when attending Royal Ascot. We are trying to gate crash a party when we don't fit in.lancashire lad said:don't know why people are wanting Williams to start, he did nothing constructive today, he ran sideways, he lost the ball about the only good thing he did was win some free kicks which we did not take an advantage.
I feel sorry for Bonne he came to Charlton to learn he should not be our main striker he just is not good enough yet.
I truly believe they are doing their best, but Reading have a £7m player (that they bought) and we have a lack of investment that is palpable.
If we stay up Bowyer will be a hero. If we go down, just like anyone worth a bean, he will be gone.blackpool72 said:Stop playing Oshilaga and Bonne full stop.Williams too is a lovely guy with magic skills But we can’t get more than an occasional half hour out of him during which he flits around, gets fouled a lot and produces absolutely sod all in terms of end product. Flatters to deceive I’m afraid.Oshilaja is a decent hard working league one quality utility player who is handy to have around. He is not a first choice championship quality left back. We don’t have one of those. Bowler realised a long time ago that Purrington isn’t up to it and Alfy is best suited to forays down the wing against tiring defences. He nearly proved our trump card in that respect today. So he has to rely on Mr Dependable at left back. Except he isn’t dependable and thereby lies the fundamental problem with our rag tag and bobtail collection of cheapos, crocks and hasbeens. We are simply not good enough. Honest triers the lot them (Green excepted who is a waster in my view) Any of them who once had championship level class are busted flushes. We all know the reasons for this and, dodgy refs notwithstanding, if we head back to league 1 we can thank Roland, the two stooges and our old mate Lyle. Thanks a lot folks.6 -
Painful to watch. They’re an honest bunch, they work hard, give their all but they’re not good enough. If we stay up it will be because of points deductions and a little bit of luck. Bowyer to park the bus on Wednesday despite the fact Brum have conceded 3 goals in each of their last 5 home games.
Morgan went off because he lost his man that drifted in for their pen, but Oshilaja is poor at Left Back and I find it bizarre Bowyer persists with it
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Why cant we play a back 4 with Sarr left back, with doughty on left wing.
Gives us pace and height and a left footed defender.3 -
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Problem is we are now looking below us rather than above.
On a side note, Bows is quite a defensive gaffer isn't he?1 -
Don't understand why Sarr doesn't get a start?3
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1-0 down early on and stillForeverAddickted said:
passing back to our own keeper from the half way line.Won’t win anything playing like that.Need to throw the kitchen sink at teams - especially if we are behind.5 -
Don't worry. They're used to it from dealing with the punks.robroy said:Sorry to the mods for the language, just so angry2 -
Depends on the opposition but think it would've worked fine today. Doughty was practically playing two positions when he came on anyway.Hartleypete said:Why cant we play a back 4 with Sarr left back, with doughty on left wing.
Gives us pace and height and a left footed defender.0 -
Morrison was arguably my fave player whilst with us. No nonsense and effective. Should never have been allowed to go. Club have been fuckwits of the highest order over recent seasons but he was a big loss.Davo55 said:And another thing. Michael Morrison bossed us all day long. Letting him go was a huge mistake - up there with Yann's departure - from the Duchatelet/Meire archive of total cock ups.5 -
I'd like to see Doughy start on Wednesday he's a good player and can create.
Up front I haven't a clue what we should do but after slating Bonne previously try Davison??? but, I have doubts about Aneke.. All muscle and not nimble enough... As for Hemed not sure what he is!
Either way I see defensive set up at Brum like Brentford... Plus I want Brum to lose tomorrow as they could (could) be very nervy...more than us!0 -
This club is on a never ending journey of fuckwhittery of the highest order. It is so tiring, fuck knows what it does to the playing and coaching staff, professionals or not.
We have a loyal fan base, an honest injury prone but below Championship standard squad, a gaffer and backroom staff of club heroes, that is for sure.
But we are constantly nobbled by chancers, incompetents and incompetent chancers taking incompetent chances, and hamstrung at every step.
I believe that we will fight on, but hold little hope for our survival. We are left to rue past rickets by owners and poodle coaches and feed off of the memories of a few good years, so be it. However, I will always be Charlton.
That is indeed why this hurts so much.4 -
The fella was playing 5th division football last season.Chunes said:
It's a tired argument I'm afraid. He's been gifted absolute dead cert goals. And he's fcked them. Like an open goal from three yards out. Another tap in from four yards. A free header from five yards out. A one on one with time on the ball.ElliotCAFC said:
I really don’t think that narrative is true at all. Yes he’s been poor since the restart but he has 9 goals in his first season in the championship.ricky_otto said:
He needs about 10 chances to score 1 goal. Unfortunately all of our strikers leave a lot to be desired.JoshAddick said:I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the ChampionshipIt’s not as if we’re an extremely creative side who put chances on a plate for him all game. He gets 1 or 2 chances a game if he’s lucky.He scores a goal every 233 minutes of football, which is very impressive considering the jump he’s made.
Yes he should score more but he’s not fluffing 9 out of every 10 shots.
I wouldn't even call them 'chances'. That should be bread and butter.
To be critical it could be said the club should not have bought him.
Our season went down the toilet when Gallagher went to Swansea, it's not coincidence.3 -
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The season went to shit when we got about 15 players injured over the space of what seemed like a weekElfsborgAddick said:
The fella was playing 5th division football last season.Chunes said:
It's a tired argument I'm afraid. He's been gifted absolute dead cert goals. And he's fcked them. Like an open goal from three yards out. Another tap in from four yards. A free header from five yards out. A one on one with time on the ball.ElliotCAFC said:
I really don’t think that narrative is true at all. Yes he’s been poor since the restart but he has 9 goals in his first season in the championship.ricky_otto said:
He needs about 10 chances to score 1 goal. Unfortunately all of our strikers leave a lot to be desired.JoshAddick said:I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the ChampionshipIt’s not as if we’re an extremely creative side who put chances on a plate for him all game. He gets 1 or 2 chances a game if he’s lucky.He scores a goal every 233 minutes of football, which is very impressive considering the jump he’s made.
Yes he should score more but he’s not fluffing 9 out of every 10 shots.
I wouldn't even call them 'chances'. That should be bread and butter.
To be critical it could be said the club should not have bought him.
Our season went down the toilet when Gallagher went to Swansea, it's not coincidence.9 -
Rubbish. 7 points from 9 in the 3 games Taylor could have played. After that he would not have been playing.MeerKat said:Bonne aint the problem. Lyle taylor is the problem. And arguably Hemed. I expected more from him this season as an experienced pro. Instead id rather we took a chance with bonne and davison. I would also love to know who recruited chuks. I think there is a player there, just not a bowyer player.1 -
How dare you say squirrel face cocked things up.Davo55 said:And another thing. Michael Morrison bossed us all day long. Letting him go was a huge mistake - up there with Yann's departure - from the Duchatelet/Meire archive of total cock ups.3 -
come on, at any level, even a Sunday park player, you would expect to score that Bonne missElfsborgAddick said:
The fella was playing 5th division football last season.Chunes said:
It's a tired argument I'm afraid. He's been gifted absolute dead cert goals. And he's fcked them. Like an open goal from three yards out. Another tap in from four yards. A free header from five yards out. A one on one with time on the ball.ElliotCAFC said:
I really don’t think that narrative is true at all. Yes he’s been poor since the restart but he has 9 goals in his first season in the championship.ricky_otto said:
He needs about 10 chances to score 1 goal. Unfortunately all of our strikers leave a lot to be desired.JoshAddick said:I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the ChampionshipIt’s not as if we’re an extremely creative side who put chances on a plate for him all game. He gets 1 or 2 chances a game if he’s lucky.He scores a goal every 233 minutes of football, which is very impressive considering the jump he’s made.
Yes he should score more but he’s not fluffing 9 out of every 10 shots.
I wouldn't even call them 'chances'. That should be bread and butter.
To be critical it could be said the club should not have bought him.
Our season went down the toilet when Gallagher went to Swansea, it's not coincidence.0 -
Why not? Cullen extended his contract to play all remaining games. Why couldn’t Lyle have done that too?ElfsborgAddick said:
Rubbish. 7 points from 9 in the 3 games Taylor could have played. After that he would not have been playing.MeerKat said:Bonne aint the problem. Lyle taylor is the problem. And arguably Hemed. I expected more from him this season as an experienced pro. Instead id rather we took a chance with bonne and davison. I would also love to know who recruited chuks. I think there is a player there, just not a bowyer player.4 -
He started against Brentford and I believe, from what I've read previously, he is one of the all too many players we have who struggle to play more than once a week.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Don't understand why Sarr doesn't get a start?
However, with 3 games left,there comes a time we need to put our best side out regardlessand go for the win. Wednesday might be the time.2 -
Powell put together a squad of winners and they gelled off it as well, that is not easy.The Prince-e-Paul said:
Morrison was arguably my fave player whilst with us. No nonsense and effective. Should never have been allowed to go. Club have been fuckwits of the highest order over recent seasons but he was a big loss.Davo55 said:And another thing. Michael Morrison bossed us all day long. Letting him go was a huge mistake - up there with Yann's departure - from the Duchatelet/Meire archive of total cock ups.
What a f****** mess it is now.2 -
Aside from the daft defending for the goal, I thought we played alright. A lot of people are understandably on a downer now because of the result, but I don't think the performance was as bad as some are making out. I think if our goal had stood and it had finished 1-1 or, better still, if we'd got a penalty and won 2-1, people would be saying how well we'd done. With the benefit of a few hours to calm down, I'd like to mention a few positives: We showed desire and were first to most loose balls, we defended solidly and gave Reading nothing (first 2 minutes aside), we passed it around quite nicely got to their end of the pitch quickly and regularly and we created several good chances. And that's where the problem is. We desperately need someone who can put the ball in the net, and we haven't got anyone. It's a problem because all our apples were in one rotten basket.
I just wanted to query Bowyer's reasoning for the Morgan substitution. I know he's vastly more experienced and qualified than I am, and I can't disagree about the need to track back, but it seems an odd reason to sub him at this stage. Surely you want players on the pitch based on what they'll do for the remainder of the match, not based on what they've just done. Early on in the season, I can see that subbing someone like Morgan for a misdemeanour like that could have a positive effect later on, but we've got just a handful of matches left now we need our best team out there. Would it not be best just to tell the man what he's done wrong and that you expect better - I'm sure someone as vocal as Bows could have found a way to make himself heard above the crowd noise. Now is not the time to use substitutions as punishment beatings.8 -
I'll allow you the benefit of seeing what I did not.IR94 said:
come on, at any level, even a Sunday park player, you would expect to score that Bonne missElfsborgAddick said:
The fella was playing 5th division football last season.Chunes said:
It's a tired argument I'm afraid. He's been gifted absolute dead cert goals. And he's fcked them. Like an open goal from three yards out. Another tap in from four yards. A free header from five yards out. A one on one with time on the ball.ElliotCAFC said:
I really don’t think that narrative is true at all. Yes he’s been poor since the restart but he has 9 goals in his first season in the championship.ricky_otto said:
He needs about 10 chances to score 1 goal. Unfortunately all of our strikers leave a lot to be desired.JoshAddick said:I love Bonne for his effort but how many times have we found ourself saying ‘he should have scored’ after a game? Too many for a professional striker in the ChampionshipIt’s not as if we’re an extremely creative side who put chances on a plate for him all game. He gets 1 or 2 chances a game if he’s lucky.He scores a goal every 233 minutes of football, which is very impressive considering the jump he’s made.
Yes he should score more but he’s not fluffing 9 out of every 10 shots.
I wouldn't even call them 'chances'. That should be bread and butter.
To be critical it could be said the club should not have bought him.
Our season went down the toilet when Gallagher went to Swansea, it's not coincidence.0 -
I don't disagree with what Taylor did.stoneroses19 said:
Why not? Cullen extended his contract to play all remaining games. Why couldn’t Lyle have done that too?ElfsborgAddick said:
Rubbish. 7 points from 9 in the 3 games Taylor could have played. After that he would not have been playing.MeerKat said:Bonne aint the problem. Lyle taylor is the problem. And arguably Hemed. I expected more from him this season as an experienced pro. Instead id rather we took a chance with bonne and davison. I would also love to know who recruited chuks. I think there is a player there, just not a bowyer player.0
