Best performance and result of the season comes when this guy is playing in the middle of the park. The pass he picked out for Doughty to score our first goal of the season was excellent. The sooner he’s back the better.
@Sage, nobody has had a personal dig at anybody in the CAFC medical team. Half the fun of being a sports fan is being able to collate facts and build a personal opinion of a situation (as long as no harm is intended).
In fact, you've done so yourself :-)
You've concluded that Page "needed a new environment and sometimes a simple thing like that is what works." Just imagine in an upcoming interview, if he mentions he is now doing things differently and sought advice from a physio there about personalised training plans different to those he's embarked upon previously.
Sorry my point about digs or accusations is spread across here and social media. It’s frustrating when sometimes you are fortunate enough to know a bit more about a situation but a lot of others still have an opinion that the medical team is to blame.
Regarding Page, he not only had consultation and treatment from people at the club, but he also went to St George’s Park for treatment. It happens sometimes and fresh face and working with someone different is good for all concerned. He also had a different kind of treatment when Danny Murphy arrived late last year. So he has already had treatment from the original medical team and two separate individuals as well. That was the point that sometimes a new environment is just what someone needs.
Thanks @Sage. Am in tune with your views on this topic. Also well done to Lewis for hanging in there and now enjoying his football. I always say that the average football fan tends to forget one major point when a player has constant setbacks - just how much pain they've had to live through.
The amount of injuries we get in training is ridiculous. Surely there are other areas to focus on in training than just intensity.
He will have been out for 8/10 weeks.
Haven't Exeter already got a run of games out of Page? Surely that's a good as indication as any.
Not at all. Page has been fit since July and sometimes the thought and fear of injury is more than the actual injury itself. He needed a new environment and sometimes a simple thing like that is what works.
Again, nothing to do with the medical team and their competency.
Accusing them of things without background or any real substance is wrong and completely undermines them as professionals. You wouldn’t have a banker for example come out and critique the performance of a surgeon, so why do football fans do the same with a medical team without any knowledge of a situation?
But footballers injuries are way more public than a surgeons record. We must have had the worst injury record in the divisions we have played in for at least two years now hence people are questioning medical staff/training regime. If a surgeon had the worst track record as a surgeon for 2 years running I would not let them anywhere near me. (and I am a banker).
But do you know the extent of other club’s injuries and their records just as much as you do Charlton’s? You know about ours because you’re interested and it’s well publicised. But fans don’t know the work that goes on at the training ground and the hours they put in, the methods used, and range of ways and techniques to get the players fit and recovered. The data that is analysed and equipment used all to aid this as much as possible, to make that extra % that counts and is crucial.
Last year we did have a ridiculous injury list for a couple of months or so, but that also happened because we were using the same players each time until they broke down. Due to the budget available, we could only sign a certain type of player, most of which came with a history of a specific injury or potential of a recurring injury. It then came to a point where we literally did not have enough medical staff to cope with the amount of players injured. How can you deal with 16 players injured at the same time? And that’s without thinking about further down in the academy and focusing on the rest of the squad who are ‘fit to play’.
@Sage, nobody has had a personal dig at anybody in the CAFC medical team. Half the fun of being a sports fan is being able to collate facts and build a personal opinion of a situation (as long as no harm is intended).
In fact, you've done so yourself :-)
You've concluded that Page "needed a new environment and sometimes a simple thing like that is what works." Just imagine in an upcoming interview, if he mentions he is now doing things differently and sought advice from a physio there about personalised training plans different to those he's embarked upon previously.
Sorry my point about digs or accusations is spread across here and social media. It’s frustrating when sometimes you are fortunate enough to know a bit more about a situation but a lot of others still have an opinion that the medical team is to blame.
Regarding Page, he not only had consultation and treatment from people at the club, but he also went to St George’s Park for treatment. It happens sometimes and fresh face and working with someone different is good for all concerned. He also had a different kind of treatment when Danny Murphy arrived late last year. So he has already had treatment from the original medical team and two separate individuals as well. That was the point that sometimes a new environment is just what someone needs.
Also seems that injury issues appear to have reduced since Danny Murphy arrived
Only really lost Gilbey and Pearce despite it being a small squad - I'm guessing its him as well thats trying to limit Bowyer's expectations for Aneke and Maddison (hence why they got such few minutes on Saturday)... Think it was after the Brentford game in July that Bowyer mentioned the medical team who'd been telling him when to rest players etc.
Thanks @Sage. Am in tune with your views on this topic. Also well done to Lewis for hanging in there and now enjoying his football. I always say that the average football fan tends to forget one major point when a player has constant setbacks - just how much pain they've had to live through.
Completely agree. As much as it’s frustrating for the fans when a player is unavailable and people say oh well he’s earning X to be injured. What that does to their psychological state, their confidence, how their body feels at a young age, and ultimately the impact on their career is huge and often detrimental.
I’m over the moon to see Page play regularly for Exeter and hope he has an injury free season and can move forward and progress in his career.
We have seen only too recently with another ex left-back of ours, Holmes-Dennis, having to retire at the age of just 24 because of injuries. It’s an extremely short career sometimes and can be life changing when injured.
@Sage, nobody has had a personal dig at anybody in the CAFC medical team. Half the fun of being a sports fan is being able to collate facts and build a personal opinion of a situation (as long as no harm is intended).
In fact, you've done so yourself :-)
You've concluded that Page "needed a new environment and sometimes a simple thing like that is what works." Just imagine in an upcoming interview, if he mentions he is now doing things differently and sought advice from a physio there about personalised training plans different to those he's embarked upon previously.
Sorry my point about digs or accusations is spread across here and social media. It’s frustrating when sometimes you are fortunate enough to know a bit more about a situation but a lot of others still have an opinion that the medical team is to blame.
Regarding Page, he not only had consultation and treatment from people at the club, but he also went to St George’s Park for treatment. It happens sometimes and fresh face and working with someone different is good for all concerned. He also had a different kind of treatment when Danny Murphy arrived late last year. So he has already had treatment from the original medical team and two separate individuals as well. That was the point that sometimes a new environment is just what someone needs.
Also seems that injury issues appear to have reduced since Danny Murphy arrived
Only really lost Gilbey and Pearce despite it being a small squad - I'm guessing its him as well thats trying to limit Bowyer's expectations for Aneke and Maddison (hence why they got such few minutes on Saturday)... Think it was after the Brentford game in July that Bowyer mentioned the medical team who'd been telling him when to rest players etc.
100%. I would love to be able to find a bit of data to show the improvement since he has arrived. That doesn’t undermine the work the original team have done, it just give emphasis on the quality he brings.
It's hard for the layman to understand why some players like Lewis Page and Jack Wilshere seem to have a myriad of different injuries where Morgan Fox in his last two seasons at the Valley only missed one game through sickness. (Being dropped is a different issue !)
Had a 30 minute chat before a match with Rhoys Wiggins (sat next to each other) just after he was forced to quit, at 30 years old.
The amazing thing that Rhoys revealed to me was the serious injury he had as a academy player at Palace stopped him reaching the top division and a regular full international. Wiggins had some excellent games for Cafc yet he never felt he could reach his full potential because of his teenage injury.
Rhoys also felt the politics in football was affecting his love for the game. (The Doncaster play off match was the first game he had watched live for six months)
I look forward to seeing Alex Gilbey play soon as I feel out the loop with some of our new players. Most seasons I go to a few friendlies to watch the new signings.
Our injury record in the past few seasons has been poor for various reasons. All departments must be asked questions as that is the only way to solve problems.
[snip] Accusing them of things without background or any real substance is wrong and completely undermines them as professionals. You wouldn’t have a banker for example come out and critique the performance of a surgeon, so why do football fans do the same with a medical team without any knowledge of a situation?
You want to try being a teacher Sage, it's amazing the number of people who think they know what they're talking about because they went to school twenty years ago...
Never thought of being a teacher before. Are you a teacher or was it a passing comment?
I know I may come across a certain way and I don’t mean to sound in a rude way, but I am passionate about these things regarding medical, injuries, sports science etc. I done a degree in it recently and unfortunately not been able to get into the professional game, it’s so competitive. But it does frustrate me when others, whoever it is, places blame at the door of people who have done no wrong.
I used to teach, but that was about twenty years ago, so while I have a better idea of what it involves than most, my current knowledge is secondhand from friends who are still in the profession. @Sage I can entirely understand your frustration at critique of people within your specialism from those who don't have direct experience of what it involves, but was just pointing out it's not a problem unique to football.
Thus far performances have been solid but somewhat workmanlike. The adding of Gilbey's drive and dynamism and/or Maddison's creativity to the midfield could well be the spark needed.
The quality of passing with him and Shinnie in the middle... the rest of League One aren't ready for it.
Add Morgan to those two after his long and short passing against Fleetwood. Can't wait to see Gilbey in action as his box to box action will be another plus for Cafc.
A stronger 18 than we had for the majority of last season in the Championship.
So much as changed since he got injured cannot remember much about his performances. Going to have a tough time getting back into the starting line with some of the performance of late. Good to have you back Gilbey.
Only played two league games but I found his pass maps from both at @DymondFormation on twitter. Very good passer of the ball and should add a lot when he’s back fully fit.
Yellow arrows are successful passes, red arrows are unsuccessful passes.
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Regarding Page, he not only had consultation and treatment from people at the club, but he also went to St George’s Park for treatment. It happens sometimes and fresh face and working with someone different is good for all concerned. He also had a different kind of treatment when Danny Murphy arrived late last year. So he has already had treatment from the original medical team and two separate individuals as well. That was the point that sometimes a new environment is just what someone needs.
Last year we did have a ridiculous injury list for a couple of months or so, but that also happened because we were using the same players each time until they broke down. Due to the budget available, we could only sign a certain type of player, most of which came with a history of a specific injury or potential of a recurring injury. It then came to a point where we literally did not have enough medical staff to cope with the amount of players injured. How can you deal with 16 players injured at the same time? And that’s without thinking about further down in the academy and focusing on the rest of the squad who are ‘fit to play’.
Only really lost Gilbey and Pearce despite it being a small squad - I'm guessing its him as well thats trying to limit Bowyer's expectations for Aneke and Maddison (hence why they got such few minutes on Saturday)... Think it was after the Brentford game in July that Bowyer mentioned the medical team who'd been telling him when to rest players etc.
I’m over the moon to see Page play regularly for Exeter and hope he has an injury free season and can move forward and progress in his career.
We have seen only too recently with another ex left-back of ours, Holmes-Dennis, having to retire at the age of just 24 because of injuries. It’s an extremely short career sometimes and can be life changing when injured.
Had a 30 minute chat before a match with Rhoys Wiggins (sat next to each other) just after he was forced to quit, at 30 years old.
The amazing thing that Rhoys revealed to me was the serious injury he had as a academy player at Palace stopped him reaching the top division and a regular full international. Wiggins had some excellent games for Cafc yet he never felt he could reach his full potential because of his teenage injury.
Rhoys also felt the politics in football was affecting his love for the game. (The Doncaster play off match was the first game he had watched live for six months)
I look forward to seeing Alex Gilbey play soon as I feel out the loop with some of our new players. Most seasons I go to a few friendlies to watch the new signings.
As I wasn't at a match last Tuesday I saw Valley pass for the first time this season.
What type of midfield player is Alex ?
Add Morgan to those two after his long and short passing against Fleetwood.
Can't wait to see Gilbey in action as his box to box action will be another plus for Cafc.
A stronger 18 than we had for the majority of last season in the Championship.
Whatever next.
Agree, other than a few lads who do a "Danny Mills" and have Christmas off as they are Suspended (or isolate because their cat has the virus !)
We have so many midfield options that I can see plenty of rotation going on
vs. Crewe (A)
vs. Doncaster (H)