How on earth did we start again with the same team as Wimbledon? Gilbey just can’t play on the left! And why do we change our tactics with long balls just to play against a crap team. Play our best bloody way - there was 10 different ways of beating them! How many more times! What a waste of a first half. That’s what cost us. If we had attacked it would have been all over by half time. To be fair I thought we played ok the second half. But we only ‘tried’ to win the game in the first 25 minutes of the second half and we looked dangerous. And Johnny was superb the last game. So what does he do? Leave him out completely. He’s a form player. I really really question some key decisons.Must say I have been vocal against Watson, but I thought he was outstanding today.
Because we were scraping the barrel at the start of the season but why the worst striker I think I've ever seen is starting instead of one of the best in the division you'll need to ask Lee Bowyer.
Where has the exciting football we played under Bows in the promotion season? We went forwards for fun and always looked like we might score. Last season has really eroded his tactical confidence to the point I’m worrying he might not be here past February if we keep this up
I can't help thinking that the relegation and long injury list last season has damaged him.
all teams in L1 miss chances that's why they are in L1, Bowyer frequently bemoans missed chances but if a team surrenders two thirds of the pitch to the opposition there is always a chance that even a L1 club will score.
Because we were scraping the barrel at the start of the season but why the worst striker I think I've ever seen is starting instead of one of the best in the division you'll need to ask Lee Bowyer.
To be fair Gilbey was our first signing of the season
Bogle on the other hand was Schwartz staying put and the Salary Cap hindering us
This isn’t a promotion side because of our forwards. No criticism aimed at them or the management team, who were doing last minute shopping on a shoe string .
Don't buy that. It's not a striker that has cost points against Shrewsbury, Gillingham, Swindon.
If Bogle put away that sitter may have been a different result
Bogle miss didn't matter. We went 2-1 up later on. If Bogle had scored to make it 2-1 I expect the result would have been the same.
Who know how the result would have been affected had Bogle scored with that open goal chance and made it 2-1, Bowyer would have made changes earlier, and we would have lost, terrible decision making which has clearly cost us a great chance of top 3
Just say we were caught up the pitch in the last 10 mins going for the extra goal. I'd argue the chances of conceding on the break, against Div 1 midfielders and strikers, would be far less than how we usually concede our pathetic injury time goals. Set pieces and balls pumped in to an overcrowded penalty area. Confusion, panic, players in each others way, keeper unsighted, sliced clearances, stupid fouls. I see more players left unmarked in a packed penalty box, than when your midfielders are pushing back, forcing teams to cross from deep areas or attempt long range efforts.
Where has the exciting football we played under Bows in the promotion season? We went forwards for fun and always looked like we might score. Last season has really eroded his tactical confidence to the point I’m worrying he might not be here past February if we keep this up
Those saying it is Bogles fault because me missed that great chance in the first half, personally I thank him, if he had scored that and put us 2-1 up after 37 mins played LB would have brought the extra defenders on before halftime and I would had had to endure the pain of watching us trying to defend for the whole 2nd half plus with an entire half to play Swindon would have had time to score more goals and beat us.
No excuses for today Lee be man enough to realise this tactic just doesnt work mate your not Mourinho
i know he had a game or two earlier on in the season where some said he did well which unfortunately for him i didn't see but what I have seen of Gilbey i'm not convinced that he's actually a footballer.
To my eyes, Gilbey was poor before his injury. This is just more of the same. And Bogle definitely isn’t a footballer. Very poor.
Gilbey has been shit since he signed.
Bit unfair. In the opening 2 games of the season he played well. Remember his great run and pass to doughty for the first goal at crewe?
But since he's come back from injury I totally agree.
Does he even suit playing in a diamond, especially when we played those two games in a 4-3-3 formation
Is he better passing the ball to someone with pace
e.g. that Doughty ball when someone can get on the end of it even if it is slightly over hit, unlike Aneke today?
Good point - we were playing a different formation in those two games and maybe Gilbey is much better suited to a 4-3-3.
He certainly looks lost on the left of a diamond.
Bowyer constantly changing the formation is something else that is also really beginning to annoy me as well. Sure we don't want to go down the Karl Robinson route of always playing the same way but constant changing can't provide any consistency.
On paper that looks Ok but today that was never going to work and we all knew it for 20 minutes we gave up mid field and let a very poor team dominate.
who was gonna link the front two
if Bow had settled for 1 - 2 why did we still have a front two?
Gilbey looked better but knackered again Martson looked confused (not surprised) Watson had a good game Williams ????????????????
Yet again we let a shit team steal points off us in the last minute or so, just like Shrewsbury, Burton etc. i am not as disappointed at Bowyer as many of my fellow fans are, but I do question his final changes late in the Game, as pointed out by Curbs on valley pass with Scot Minto. what is painfully obvious is Since Ryan Innes has been out of the squad he have struggled with shite teams especially in defence, and we still desperately need a Proper Striker. we should have won today by at least two goals, and we do miss chances as much as we throw away valuable points. todays team has to improve as we are struggling to stay in the top Six, we Could be top but for all the wasted points. its time for some more investment from Thomas 👍👍
Yet again we let a shit team steal points off us in the last minute or so, just like Shrewsbury, Burton etc. i am not as disappointed at Bowyer as many of my fellow fans are, but I do question his final changes late in the Game, as pointed out by Curbs on valley pass with Scot Minto. what is painfully obvious is Since Ryan Innes has been out of the squad he have struggled with shite teams especially in defence, and we still desperately need a Proper Striker. we should have won today by at least two goals, and we do miss chances as much as we throw away valuable points. todays team has to improve as we are struggling to stay in the top Six, we Could be top but for all the wasted points. its time for some more investment from Thomas 👍👍
Yes ofcourse that's the answer get TS to pile a load of money in and buy better players. Although not much point if they are taken off and replaced with defenders is it, they cant do alot from the bench
Yet again we let a shit team steal points off us in the last minute or so, just like Shrewsbury, Burton etc. i am not as disappointed at Bowyer as many of my fellow fans are, but I do question his final changes late in the Game, as pointed out by Curbs on valley pass with Scot Minto. what is painfully obvious is Since Ryan Innes has been out of the squad he have struggled with shite teams especially in defence, and we still desperately need a Proper Striker. we should have won today by at least two goals, and we do miss chances as much as we throw away valuable points. todays team has to improve as we are struggling to stay in the top Six, we Could be top but for all the wasted points. its time for some more investment from Thomas 👍👍
Yes ofcourse that's the answer get TS to pile a load of money in and buy better players. Although not much point if they are taken off and replaced with defenders is it, they cant do alot from the bench
Not quite, One good striker and two of our injured defenders
Back and we could still get promotion. We were a very good with Ryan Innes in defence And went on a superb run. If we want promotion we need a proper striker and a consistent defence 👍👍👍
I have faith in the ability within the squad for the level. It is as clear as our noses on our faces that Bowyer has transformed himself into the most negative manager imaginable from a pretty positive front foot one. We can speculate as to why, but if anybody wants to say this isn't the case they need to plan a drive to Barnard Castle.
Why aren't any testing or interesting questions posed to Bowyer after the game? Are they likely to be asked on Monday?
Reality is, we are a very inconsistent team who attack when are losing, or turn a game into a dire defensive one when ahead. That's had this strange consequence of me not knowing my preference during a game!
BTW, why was there so much arrogance from within the club that Tuesday's postponement led to us missing out on 3 points and being 2nd in the league! Fast forward 4 days, and from scoring 5, our wheels came off so badly that we could not beat a team who have lost 4 on the bounce.
I have faith in the ability within the squad for the level. It is as clear as our noses on our faces that Bowyer has transformed himself into the most negative manager imaginable from a pretty positive front foot one. We can speculate as to why, but if anybody wants to say this isn't the case they need to plan a drive to Barnard Castle.
Why don’t we all ask him ? I wonder if Thomas thinks like you do ?
Following the Fleetwood game and our 6th win on the bounce and looking at the fixtures to come. I really thought that we should be able to cement a place in the top two. This is what we actually ended up with:
Gillingham (13th) - draw Burton (24th) - lost Ipswich (6th) - won M K Dons (17th) - lost Shrewsbury (21st) - draw AFC Wimbledon (15th) - won Swindon (22nd) - draw
We beat an Ipswich side that have lost 7 of their last 14 matches and Wimbledon because LB was forced into a situation where he had to throw all our attacking options on. We picked up two points from games against three of the bottom four.
LB was lulled into a false sense of security by our winning run which was based around a defence that did not concede. This attitude dates back to when we came out of lockdown and we secured those two wins to nil. He believes that we should be able to continue to do this and is, therefore, unwilling to trade blows with the opposition no matter how weak they are.
We've accused far lesser Managers of only playing one way. LB is doing little to change the perception that he is destined to join them.
FFS, if he really thinks that someone has to take him aside and have a word with him.
Problem is the only journo's out there asking questions are those who want to keep LB sweet so he'll give them a morsel of news when we are about to sign someone or suchlike. They won't want to.ask him difficult or uneasy questions.
What you need in someone who's more neutral & will just ask him straight out.
Didn’t watch any of the match, but I’ve got my absolute on us to finish top 6. Why aren’t we finishing matches off when we are winning with seconds to go.
With
only a mainly bargain basement squad to select from, each game is problematic.
What the hell? No. No. No. Nonsense. Garbage. This is a very good L1 squad.
You might have a point if four of the best ones were not long term injured, and the only decent striker unable to play 45 minutes. And prrrlease, anybody who thinks Bow wouldnt start Chuks if the fitness/medical people were confident he could deliver a full 80 or so, needs to have a word with themselves.
Yes, I could see that coming, but I had also been screaming in frustration with Gilbey and Washington throughout the game. They are good players who are not delivering, and Maddison went back to his old self today too. I don’t know whats wrong with Bow but he was not like this two seasons ago and neither was his team. But then the team two seasons ago had players in key positions a class above those on the pitch today (Taylor, Cullen, Bauer, Bielik, Aribo, and for half the season, Grant). Maybe thats Bow’s problem, not enough players he can rely on.
On the highlights for the chance that Bogle spurned, look at the run of Maddison, pointing where he wants the ball from Watson, the chest control and first time whip into an area that is a strikers dream. That was excellent.
We heard that he's a strikers dream and gets them moves to clubs. But let's not underestimate these strikers knew how to shoot on sight!
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Bogle on the other hand was Schwartz staying put and the Salary Cap hindering us
with that open goal chance and made it 2-1, Bowyer would have made
changes earlier, and we would have lost, terrible decision making which
has clearly cost us a great chance of top 3
I'd argue the chances of conceding on the break, against Div 1 midfielders and strikers, would be far less than how we usually concede our pathetic injury time goals. Set pieces and balls pumped in to an overcrowded penalty area. Confusion, panic, players in each others way, keeper unsighted, sliced clearances, stupid fouls. I see more players left unmarked in a packed penalty box, than when your midfielders are pushing back, forcing teams to cross from deep areas or attempt long range efforts.
No excuses for today Lee be man enough to realise this tactic just doesnt work mate your not Mourinho
He certainly looks lost on the left of a diamond.
Bowyer constantly changing the formation is something else that is also really beginning to annoy me as well. Sure we don't want to go down the Karl Robinson route of always playing the same way but constant changing can't provide any consistency.
So we finished that game with as a shape
Amos
Purrington Pearce Pratters Gunter Matthews
Marttson Watson Gilbey
Washington Aneke
On paper that looks Ok but today that was never going to work and we all knew it for 20 minutes we gave up mid field and let a very poor team dominate.
who was gonna link the front two
if Bow had settled for 1 - 2 why did we still have a front two?
Gilbey looked better but knackered again
Martson looked confused (not surprised)
Watson had a good game
Williams ????????????????
I’m worried he’s lost the plot
last minute or so, just like Shrewsbury, Burton etc.
i am not as disappointed at Bowyer as many of my fellow fans are, but I do question his final changes late in the Game, as pointed out by Curbs on valley pass with Scot Minto.
what is painfully obvious is Since Ryan Innes has been out of the squad he have struggled with shite teams especially in defence, and we still desperately need a Proper Striker.
we should have won today by at least two goals, and we do miss chances as much as we throw away valuable points.
todays team has to improve as we are struggling to stay in the top Six, we Could be top but for all the wasted points.
its time for some more investment from Thomas 👍👍
Seething
One good striker and two of our injured defenders
We were a very good with Ryan Innes in defence
And went on a superb run.
If we want promotion we need a proper striker
and a consistent defence 👍👍👍
Reality is, we are a very inconsistent team who attack when are losing, or turn a game into a dire defensive one when ahead. That's had this strange consequence of me not knowing my preference during a game!
BTW, why was there so much arrogance from within the club that Tuesday's postponement led to us missing out on 3 points and being 2nd in the league! Fast forward 4 days, and from scoring 5, our wheels came off so badly that we could not beat a team who have lost 4 on the bounce.
I wonder if Thomas thinks like you do ?
Gillingham (13th) - draw
Burton (24th) - lost
Ipswich (6th) - won
M K Dons (17th) - lost
Shrewsbury (21st) - draw
AFC Wimbledon (15th) - won
Swindon (22nd) - draw
We beat an Ipswich side that have lost 7 of their last 14 matches and Wimbledon because LB was forced into a situation where he had to throw all our attacking options on. We picked up two points from games against three of the bottom four.
LB was lulled into a false sense of security by our winning run which was based around a defence that did not concede. This attitude dates back to when we came out of lockdown and we secured those two wins to nil. He believes that we should be able to continue to do this and is, therefore, unwilling to trade blows with the opposition no matter how weak they are.
We've accused far lesser Managers of only playing one way. LB is doing little to change the perception that he is destined to join them.
What you need in someone who's more neutral & will just ask him straight out.
Yes, I could see that coming, but I had also been screaming in frustration with Gilbey and Washington throughout the game. They are good players who are not delivering, and Maddison went back to his old self today too.
I don’t know whats wrong with Bow but he was not like this two seasons ago and neither was his team. But then the team two seasons ago had players in key positions a class above those on the pitch today (Taylor, Cullen, Bauer, Bielik, Aribo, and for half the season, Grant). Maybe thats Bow’s problem, not enough players he can rely on.
We heard that he's a strikers dream and gets them moves to clubs. But let's not underestimate these strikers knew how to shoot on sight!