I genuinely think it needs to be a permanent appointment rather than caretaker until the end of the season. The next bloke has time to evaluate his squad and get players in early doors. Would be nice to have a full pre-seaon with the majority of players on board for the entirety. I should imagine there isn’t much expectation on the new man having to make the play offs (despite what Sandgaard says about booking his flight over for Wembley).
I genuinely think it needs to be a permanent appointment rather than caretaker until the end of the season. The next bloke has time to evaluate his squad and get players in early doors. Would be nice to have a full pre-seaon with the majority of players on board for the entirety. I should imagine there isn’t much expectation on the new man having to make the play offs (despite what Sandgaard says about booking his flight over for Wembley).
it needs a complete re-build.
I’d rather a caretaker than a quick but ultimately wrong appointment. If TS fails with his first or even second choice I wouldn’t want him to choose JJ just because. Far better to use the next few months to get the right man even if it’s not the ideal scenario.
A manager who buys into the ethos of the club, would understand why Tracy Leaburn put her neck on the line because she cared, why the fans threw pigs and undertook a funeral march against Duchatelet. That is part of my criteria for a manager.
Any employee can take the money and do what they always do, either successfully or not, but as a club we need someone who will buy into the CAFC ethos embodied by Curbs, Powell and yes, Bowyer. There is no way that the Cowley Brothers would do that any more than Karl Robinson did.
Those that have played for the club and seen us through the bad times should have a head start in the loyalty stakes otherwise we will become a management revolving door like other clubs. We are not other clubs. I believe that TS understands that and was part of the reason he bought the club. That should sway his decision.
When employing people I have always looked for the commitment to the company that takes people the extra mile and makes the company successful.
Problem is you are then looking at a very, very small pool. So either Powell, JJ, Euell or Pardew.
I brought this up a few years ago & started a thread saying why did we have to always want an ex-player. Are they more passionate? Maybe, but then again passion only takes you so far and I would always want talent before passion. And dont tell me that Klop has no passion because he never played for Liverpool.
You don't have to "get" a club to be a good manager.
I'm sorry, you do have to "get" a club to be a good manager. Klopp gets Liverpool and, no, you don't have to just fish from a small pool of Curbs, Powell, JJ, Euell or Pardew. (god forbid the last one). If a workman doesn't care about his work and his workplace he will produce something that is just good enough.
Can't believe Chris Powell is a serious suggestion, got a lot of time for Powell but he left us 7 years ago and hasn't done anything in his managerial career since to suggest he would be a success here.
I'm more amazed Curbs is second in the running given the amount of time he's been sitting down.
Can't believe Chris Powell is a serious suggestion, got a lot of time for Powell but he left us 7 years ago and hasn't done anything in his managerial career since to suggest he would be a success here.
There's an old song that goes "some people are just made for each other".
Us and Powell is that fit at this level.
He might not take us into the Champions League but he'd get us out of this League pretty damn quick.
A manager who buys into the ethos of the club, would understand why Tracy Leaburn put her neck on the line because she cared, why the fans threw pigs and undertook a funeral march against Duchatelet. That is part of my criteria for a manager.
Any employee can take the money and do what they always do, either successfully or not, but as a club we need someone who will buy into the CAFC ethos embodied by Curbs, Powell and yes, Bowyer. There is no way that the Cowley Brothers would do that any more than Karl Robinson did.
Those that have played for the club and seen us through the bad times should have a head start in the loyalty stakes otherwise we will become a management revolving door like other clubs. We are not other clubs. I believe that TS understands that and was part of the reason he bought the club. That should sway his decision.
When employing people I have always looked for the commitment to the company that takes people the extra mile and makes the company successful.
Problem is you are then looking at a very, very small pool. So either Powell, JJ, Euell or Pardew.
I brought this up a few years ago & started a thread saying why did we have to always want an ex-player. Are they more passionate? Maybe, but then again passion only takes you so far and I would always want talent before passion. And dont tell me that Klop has no passion because he never played for Liverpool.
You don't have to "get" a club to be a good manager.
I'm sorry, you do have to "get" a club to be a good manager. Klopp gets Liverpool and, no, you don't have to just fish from a small pool of Curbs, Powell, JJ, Euell or Pardew. (god forbid the last one). If a workman doesn't care about his work and his workplace he will produce something that is just good enough.
You need someone who cares most about winning and how to achieve that. Everything else is a bonus. A winner cares about his work. How can he not.
Can't believe Chris Powell is a serious suggestion, got a lot of time for Powell but he left us 7 years ago and hasn't done anything in his managerial career since to suggest he would be a success here.
I'm more amazed Curbs is second in the running given the amount of time he's been sitting down.
Money aside, a Howe or Wilder would be mad to take this job. If it all goes wrong, they end up being a recently failed manager at League 1 level. I just don't think it's a risk they'd be willing to take, but I'd be very happy to be wrong...
Danny Cowley was on sky sports last Friday morning , saying had had a few offers but was waiting for the right project. Said wanted to work for an owner that shared their vision of progressing a club 'the right way'
Am sure he also said he and his brother had been working on training routines and now had something like 1100 different drills etc to keep training fresh and to address different needs at different times
A manager who buys into the ethos of the club, would understand why Tracy Leaburn put her neck on the line because she cared, why the fans threw pigs and undertook a funeral march against Duchatelet. That is part of my criteria for a manager.
Any employee can take the money and do what they always do, either successfully or not, but as a club we need someone who will buy into the CAFC ethos embodied by Curbs, Powell and yes, Bowyer. There is no way that the Cowley Brothers would do that any more than Karl Robinson did.
Those that have played for the club and seen us through the bad times should have a head start in the loyalty stakes otherwise we will become a management revolving door like other clubs. We are not other clubs. I believe that TS understands that and was part of the reason he bought the club. That should sway his decision.
When employing people I have always looked for the commitment to the company that takes people the extra mile and makes the company successful.
Problem is you are then looking at a very, very small pool. So either Powell, JJ, Euell or Pardew.
I brought this up a few years ago & started a thread saying why did we have to always want an ex-player. Are they more passionate? Maybe, but then again passion only takes you so far and I would always want talent before passion. And dont tell me that Klop has no passion because he never played for Liverpool.
You don't have to "get" a club to be a good manager.
I'm sorry, you do have to "get" a club to be a good manager. Klopp gets Liverpool and, no, you don't have to just fish from a small pool of Curbs, Powell, JJ, Euell or Pardew. (god forbid the last one). If a workman doesn't care about his work and his workplace he will produce something that is just good enough.
Surely Klopp would "get" any top side, it's not as if his personality or style of football would be alien for United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc
Money aside, a Howe or Wilder would be mad to take this job. If it all goes wrong, they end up being a recently failed manager at League 1 level. I just don't think it's a risk they'd be willing to take, but I'd be very happy to be wrong...
I think they have ego’s that exclude failure. They must have confidence in their own abilities
Money aside, a Howe or Wilder would be mad to take this job. If it all goes wrong, they end up being a recently failed manager at League 1 level. I just don't think it's a risk they'd be willing to take, but I'd be very happy to be wrong...
That’s how I see it. Quite laughable that it’s being talked about so much. They’d be mad to take the job when they’d walk into a PL job within the next year.
If they come here and fail there’s no chance they’ll get a PL job until they prove themselves in the championship again. Waste of time discussing it.
One because he is the son of one of the greatest motivators of all time, two because he has an understanding of the game from non league to international level and three because he is a family man who has demonstrated an appetite for sticking with a club. Sadly, I think it is, perhaps, his reluctance to move out of area that might be the issue but if TS were to be able to sell him his long term vision then I am convinced he would be the solution especially as he has a reputation for being able to work with Chairmen.
He played for Forest, Liverpool and Man City as well as England but here's his Managerial CV:
In his first two seasons he was runners up in the Southern League with record points for a 2nd placed side. The second year they were pipped by Fatty Evans at Boston who it turned out had been massively cheating. Year 3 he was promoted, again with record points and record goals.
They then played in the Conference as the only part time club, training twice a week, while they built the Pirelli.
They drew when in the Conference with Man Utd in the Cup and then went full time, finishing 7th, 5th (beaten by Cambridge in the Play Off semis) and the next season came top and clear by 13 points, winning a record 12 games on the spin.
At Derby he cut the wage bill from 38 million to just under 10 million and built a squad capable of pushing for the play offs despite having to generate his own transfer budget. 10 of the 11 who started the Play Off final were his signings.
At Sheff Utd, he took them from 3rd bottom to 7th and an FA Cup semi in his first half season and then finished 5th and got them to a league cup semi in his 2nd. They had the 4th highest budget in League One but a lot of that budget came from cup runs and the Harry Maguire sale to Hull. He also signed Che Adams from Ilkeston for £250k and Adams on his own made a profit in excess of all of his transfer dealings.
He then took over at Burton and were only ever out of the top two for one week, narrowly missing out going up as Champions. He then survived a season in the Championship despite having by far the lowest budget.
When he joined Mansfield this season they had not won a single match from their first 14 games and were staring relegation in the face but are now 10 points above the relegation zone. And until he got injured, George Lapslie had been thriving under him 'til he got injured with 6 goals and 2 assists.
He has brought through shedloads of youngsters in his time and also, unlike virtually all our Managers in living memory, has taken teams on Cup runs - as we so painfully know when his Sheffield United side knocked us out of the FA Cup to reach the semi final despite being a third tier side.
But he probably won't come for the very reasons I set out at the outset - family and loyalty to the club he is at.
Hope that answers why I think he would be a good choice though.
European route? Brentford model? Someone who knows how to get out of L1? Someone with top level experience? New and upcoming? Lots of experience? Charlton connection?
so many variables. Share what would be your approach and what names you fancy / don’t fancy
Probably not - I think experience in or around this level is vital. Not adverse to it for the future, but not in L1.
I'd be fine with this, albeit not if it came of the cost of any academy investment. This kind of analytical approach could be the kind of smart thinking that we need to get back up the league(s).
Yes, absolutely.
Not necessarily - getting out of L1 is the major hurdle here.
Preferably not - I want to see experience.
As above, yes, experience is key to getting us out.
If possible. It'd be nice to have, but not a defining requirement.
I'd like Wilder or Howe, but we likely aren't a big enough pull for either of them. Not sure about Cowley, but a lot more likely. I don't feel like any of the ones with a Charlton connection are the right fit where we are now, aside from JJ (if he can pull off some miracle form and/or get these players playing as they could).
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Would be nice to have a full pre-seaon with the majority of players on board for the entirety. I should imagine there isn’t much expectation on the new man having to make the play offs (despite what Sandgaard says about booking his flight over for Wembley).
it needs a complete re-build.
howe
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however realistic we should at least try for them
Us and Powell is that fit at this level.
He might not take us into the Champions League but he'd get us out of this League pretty damn quick.
He’s a charlton man, and worst case scenario we finish mid table and he gets some vital experience before going back to the under 21s.
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Said wanted to work for an owner that shared their vision of progressing a club 'the right way'
Am sure he also said he and his brother had been working on training routines and now had something like 1100 different drills etc to keep training fresh and to address different needs at different times
He played for Forest, Liverpool and Man City as well as England but here's his Managerial CV:
In his first two seasons he was runners up in the Southern League with record points for a 2nd placed side. The second year they were pipped by Fatty Evans at Boston who it turned out had been massively cheating. Year 3 he was promoted, again with record points and record goals.
They then played in the Conference as the only part time club, training twice a week, while they built the Pirelli.
They drew when in the Conference with Man Utd in the Cup and then went full time, finishing 7th, 5th (beaten by Cambridge in the Play Off semis) and the next season came top and clear by 13 points, winning a record 12 games on the spin.
At Derby he cut the wage bill from 38 million to just under 10 million and built a squad capable of pushing for the play offs despite having to generate his own transfer budget. 10 of the 11 who started the Play Off final were his signings.
At Sheff Utd, he took them from 3rd bottom to 7th and an FA Cup semi in his first half season and then finished 5th and got them to a league cup semi in his 2nd. They had the 4th highest budget in League One but a lot of that budget came from cup runs and the Harry Maguire sale to Hull. He also signed Che Adams from Ilkeston for £250k and Adams on his own made a profit in excess of all of his transfer dealings.
He then took over at Burton and were only ever out of the top two for one week, narrowly missing out going up as Champions. He then survived a season in the Championship despite having by far the lowest budget.
When he joined Mansfield this season they had not won a single match from their first 14 games and were staring relegation in the face but are now 10 points above the relegation zone. And until he got injured, George Lapslie had been thriving under him 'til he got injured with 6 goals and 2 assists.
He has brought through shedloads of youngsters in his time and also, unlike virtually all our Managers in living memory, has taken teams on Cup runs - as we so painfully know when his Sheffield United side knocked us out of the FA Cup to reach the semi final despite being a third tier side.
But he probably won't come for the very reasons I set out at the outset - family and loyalty to the club he is at.
Hope that answers why I think he would be a good choice though.
- Probably not - I think experience in or around this level is vital. Not adverse to it for the future, but not in L1.
- I'd be fine with this, albeit not if it came of the cost of any academy investment. This kind of analytical approach could be the kind of smart thinking that we need to get back up the league(s).
- Yes, absolutely.
- Not necessarily - getting out of L1 is the major hurdle here.
- Preferably not - I want to see experience.
- As above, yes, experience is key to getting us out.
- If possible. It'd be nice to have, but not a defining requirement.
I'd like Wilder or Howe, but we likely aren't a big enough pull for either of them. Not sure about Cowley, but a lot more likely. I don't feel like any of the ones with a Charlton connection are the right fit where we are now, aside from JJ (if he can pull off some miracle form and/or get these players playing as they could).