Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
I think the consensus seems to be that he also did a decent job at Hull in very difficult circumstances. Not sure he’s massively failed anywhere he’s been, has he? As others have said, win percentages can be misleading. And since when has being middle aged become a crime? I dream of being middle aged!
Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
HE DIDN'T FAIL AT HULL, FOR FUCK'S SAKE
Adkins had a win rate at Hull of 33%, Won 26 Drew 21 Lost 31.
OK, even if you give him credit for keeping them up and accept the club was in big trouble that’s a very average record over nearly two seasons.
If we are appointing him on the back of keeping Hull in the Championship then that’s not inspiring me very much.
Like I said, Nigel has been out the game for two seasons now and his record since leaving Saints is the reason why.
I want him to succeed but this appointment is very much gambling he can bring back his magic of 2010-12 - I don’t much like the odds.
I would say keeping Hull up under those circumstances was a great achievement. The win percentage is irrelevant when you look at the situation - he kept them up and then consolidated them. Job done.
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
HE DIDN'T FAIL AT HULL, FOR FUCK'S SAKE
Adkins had a win rate at Hull of 33%, Won 26 Drew 21 Lost 31.
OK, even if you give him credit for keeping them up and accept the club was in big trouble that’s a very average record over nearly two seasons.
If we are appointing him on the back of keeping Hull in the Championship then that’s not inspiring me very much.
Like I said, Nigel has been out the game for two seasons now and his record since leaving Saints is the reason why.
I want him to succeed but this appointment is very much gambling he can bring back his magic of 2010-12 - I don’t much like the odds.
Kind of certain parallels to our ownership under RD and the ESI according to this article:
'Adkins still holds a frustration at how it all ended, that stems from how close an extension came. A sizeable pay cut had been agreed in principle, while another reduced budget was not considered an issue.
The stumbling block was always in the contractual fine print.
“I wanted to stay, the owners knew that,” said Adkins. “I sat there twice with my lawyer and he even said ‘Do you not understand, he wants to stay.’
“The previous summer the buzzword had been sustainability so I knew where we were going. I’d had conversations with Assem and Ehab so I knew what they wanted to do. The top and bottom of it was that they wanted to sell the football club.
“I still wanted to be there so I needed to know how we’d get through the situation.
“Some of the wages had to go, fair enough, but it had nothing to do with wages for me. It was where we were going and what we were trying to achieve.”
First appointed in December 2017 as successor to Leonid Slutsky, Adkins was given the task of stabilising a club taking on water in the lower reaches of the Championship.
Readjusting to life outside of the Premier League had been a struggle and, as Sunderland proved at the end of the season, relegation to League One was a very real threat.
Adkins’ salvage operation took time, with only one win coming in his opening 10 league games, but a run of six victories from the next 12, including the demolition of QPR and Burton, brought survival at a canter.
“Michael Dawson said to me at the end of the season ‘Gaffer, we were relegated but you’ve managed to change it around.’ That was because we had everyone together as one,” said Adkins, whose loan signing of Liverpool winger Harry Wilson made a telling difference.
"When we joined we quickly realised the club was on a downward spiral. There was a lot of fan protests and we knew the atmosphere around the club wasn’t great.
“You’re thinking of ways to turn it around and a few people said you’ve got no chance.
“We had to try. We had good people there that just needed some direction and organisation. We needed to be together and have that belief.
“We just tried to change the culture and the environment for how we wanted to do things. The senior players bought into that. We needed to develop a discipline about the club and we did that.”
It was the summer that followed that first brought signs of irritation from Adkins. A ponderous recruitment drive eventually saw George Long, Jordy de Wijs and Reece Burke all signed – perhaps the three biggest assets left at the KCOM Stadium – but contributed towards a sloppy start.
City were bottom of the league by October 2018 with Adkins under increasing scrutiny, but a remarkable run saw the Tigers propel themselves up to the fringes of the top six inside three months. Six straight league wins came in an unbeaten sequence of 10 games.
“It was an unbelievable run,” said Adkins. “The Leeds game (winning 2-0 at Elland Road) was fantastic. We’d lost two key players in Tommy Elphick (recalled by Aston Villa) and Jackson Irvine (called up by Australia for the Asia Cup), they were flying, the place was packed but we changed things around and it worked a treat. David Marshall didn’t have a save to make.
“After that we beat Bolton 6-0 and then Sheffield Wednesday 3-0. What a performance that was. Fantastic football.”
What would prove to be Adkins’ final transfer window as head coach ultimately failed to deliver enough last January. Although Jarrod Bowen, Kamil Grosicki and Markus Henriksen were all retained, Adkins had wanted more than the additions of Marc Pugh and Liam Ridgewell.
“We just needed to bring in a few new faces,” said Adkins. “Without a shadow of doubt, that’s what was needed.
“The owners believed they were helping because they kept Jarrod and Kamil. There was a chance (to reach the top six) so you’ve got to give them credit for that but we needed to bring more in. I said that but it didn’t happen.
“We huffed and puffed after that and we started to lose a few games when we were short on bodies. That’s when it started to tail off. We couldn’t quite get there.”
That's all fine and dandy but if we are appointing a bloke based on him keeping a Hull City team in the Championship then that's hardly a ringing endorsement for someone we want to take us up from League One.
Thanks @ForeverAddickted. Yeah, I appreciate it's just conjecture, but you'd think they'd make a bit more of an effort to provide a bit more context for the uninitiated. That said, defensive midfielder might be useful depending on how old he is , and we definitely need another centre back, but I suppose the question is whether they'd be an improvement on what we've already got.
Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
This one wasn't aimed at you mate. I disagree with you, but I don't think you're being negative for negative's sake.
Just think there is plenty of that in the fanbase atm, on here, twitter and the FB groups. It's a Ged Ruddy inside job, or because Sandgaard mentioned the academy it means he's broke etc. There's just negative theories being thrown out with zero basis, because people have had all the optimism beaten out of them.
I am curious though, who did you want us to appoint? And what were your reasons?
That's all fine and dandy but if we are appointing a bloke based on him keeping a Hull City team in the Championship then that's hardly a ringing endorsement for someone we want to take us up from League One.
Not particularly informative that piece. What positions do they play (apart from the keeper obviously), how good are they, is there likely to be competition to sign them?
Adkins mentions that Thomas and Roddy approached him.
Where does Gallen fit in the structure as DOF, is he just player recruitment? And where does technical director fit in the system... so confused as to who does what and who reports into who.
Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
I think everyone gets it, you don't like Adkins and are not happy he's the new manager of Charlton. Well as you don't make the decision you'll just have to suck it up. No one knows if Adkins will be a success or a failure but at least give the bloke more than a day to show us what he can do. Personally I believe he will do the job he's been brought in for which is at least to get us out of this league and hopefully further playing some decent attacking football rather than the dross we've had to put up with recently.
Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
This one wasn't aimed at you mate. I disagree with you, but I don't think you're being negative for negative's sake.
Just think there is plenty of that in the fanbase atm, on here, twitter and the FB groups. It's a Ged Ruddy inside job, or because Sandgaard mentioned the academy it means he's broke etc. There's just negative theories being thrown out with zero basis, because people have had all the optimism beaten out of them.
I am curious though, who did you want us to appoint? And what were your reasons?
Our recent history proves that our best appointments are people who know the club properly: Curbishley, Powell, Bowyer.
The only failure was Pardew and even he did OK in the Premier League and he started off OK in the Championship until we sold Reid.
None of our external appointments have worked - not a single one of them from Dowie to Robinson.
That being the case I'd have gone for Jackson with someone more experienced as his assistant.
I'd love to be proved wrong but our successes have always been built on a mixture of academy players mixed with good, solid honest professionals with a fire in their belly.
In my view every club has a special culture and they do best when they stick to it, our culture is that of a club that brings through top young players and blends them with good players on their way up and we generally play good football and play the game the right way and our people understand this.
A good example of this is Palace who we may all hate with a passion but have done very well over the last thirty years since Wright and Bright were tearing the place up and Palace have always done well when they have played direct, aggressive football with plenty of pace up front.
It was no surprise at all that they bombed under Frank De Boer when he suddenly tried to turn them into Barcelona.
It's the same story at Millwall, as much as we hate them they do well when they stick to their core culture of playing long ball football with a big lump up top and playing with plenty of mongrel that gets their fans going and puts the opposition under the pump.
Whenever they struggle it's usually because they have strayed away from that - like they did under Spackman and Holloway - and they bring back someone like Harris to put them back on course.
Maybe Adkins can come in and find the right ingredients for us, I absolutely pray that he does and everything I have read suggests he is a really decent and intelligent man but make no mistake about it he is under pressure to deliver next season.
Mr. Sangaard can talk as much as he likes about long-term projects but the only long term project in football is the next match and if we are mid table in League One this time next year with no prospect of promotion then the storm clouds will be gathering.
Adkins mentions that Thomas and Roddy approached him.
Where does Gallen fit in the structure as DOF, is he just player recruitment? And where does technical director fit in the system... so confused as to who does what and who reports into who.
Think Gallen is player recruitment and contracts etc.
Roddy oversees the running of the club, eyes and ears for TS. From the CAFC interview for his appointment, "his primary focus will be planning and implementing the club’s long-term footballing strategy with the initial aim of helping the club stabilise and ultimately getting the club back to the Premier League." Think he helps implement the planning strategically, he sorted the overhaul of the medical department and think he is trying to help with gaining the Cat 1 status of the academy.
And obviously he is Adkins best bud from their time together at Reading... 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I can’t find it now but I saw a quote earlier from Adkins about letting the youngsters play regularly and accept they will make mistakes. I’m almost certain this was a subtle dig towards Bowyer about Morgan and I’m quite pleased. The boy needs to play regularly
Wish him well - very surprised - and if I am honest underwhelmed - but he may find that key - as we have the team to get out of the League just no consistency - he has my support - hopefully see him opening game of the season in the championship - good luck
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
Firstly, pulling up that quote was meant as a bit of humour, I didn’t go searching for it, it was on the first page of a resurrected thread about Adkins sacking at Southampton. In view of your post it was quite funny.
Obviously you didn’t take it as such because you decided to resort to calling me not bright.
Anyway, just to point out, the percentages you quote are misleading, at least in the case of Hull. When he took over they were certs for relegation but he kept them up. The following season they finished 13th. This with no real backing from the Allam’s, and we of all fans should recognise the restrictions working under bad and despised owners. He was offered a new contract but rejected it due to the fact he felt unable to continue to work under them. Hull fans were gutted, which should tell you something in itself.
As for him not working since then and no one having looked to employ him. You haven’t obviously listened to his interviews because as he said himself he has turned down numerous chances to return to management including at least two from the Championship.
Maybe your own lights went out at that point .....
Adkins mentions that Thomas and Roddy approached him.
Where does Gallen fit in the structure as DOF, is he just player recruitment? And where does technical director fit in the system... so confused as to who does what and who reports into who.
Head of recruitment .....TS said that Roddy and Gallen would be dealing with applicants
I think the important thing is that we don't judge him on our next result, or indeed the rest of this season. Things will change, and change takes time. If we struggle into the playoffs this year then great, but if not he gets a real transfer window to adjust (something which Bowyer never had). I think it may take Adkins the full 2.5 year tenure for us to see the full fruit of his labour's. It's no magic show with instant results.
Absolutely Correct and only an idiot would not Agree ......
Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
I think the consensus seems to be that he also did a decent job at Hull in very difficult circumstances. Not sure he’s massively failed anywhere he’s been, has he? As others have said, win percentages can be misleading. And since when has being middle aged become a crime? I dream of being middle aged!
Some people are so broken from previous regimes, that unless Johnny Jackson rode in on horseback, with Chris Powell and Curbs floating above him, they would be pissed off. Then they'd probably still slate lack of ambition, because Pep didn't hold up scarfy, while the club arranged for Pamela Anderson to deliver your season ticket, made of solid gold.
Must be exhausting to want to be pissed off all the time.
Absolute garbage.
Are people supposed to be automatically over the moon because we have appointed a bloke who has been out the game for two seasons and who last got a team promoted ten seasons back?
Sorry, some of us aren't won over by an affable exterior and a nice smile and would like to know more about the thinking behind this.
According to your flawed logic we should be hailing it as the greatest managerial appointment of all time even if Mr. Sangaard unveiled Alan Mullery as our new manager with Ken Craggs as assistant coach.
Nobody wants to be pissed off all the time but at the same time we have finally got an owner with some serious cash and genuine good intent for the club so expectations were high, not that we'd get a Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe, but that we'd get someone exciting in that was on their way up in the football world.
Adkins had huge success from 2007 to 2012 with Scunthorpe and Saints but has done nothing since then to indicate that he is anything other than just another middle aged football manager looking for his next gig.
Love him to prove me wrong and I will eat the humble pie with relish.
So what would your suggestions for Manager have been given your criteria of having to be exciting and on their way up in the football world?
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
Read what was said about his sacking at Southampton and he refused a new contract at Hull. He was doing okay at Reading. 18 months is not that long so I doubt he has forgotten what the game is about.
As always there are people on this forum Who are nice people I am certain and are entitled To their opinions. But that does not mean they are right all the time And many talk utter Bollocks. I hope Nigel does a good job, I wish him well and I will not slag him off after 5 games if we have not Won every game. Bowyer was a great guy and I think he will do well At Birmingham if he is let do this thing. He left us because of money and better financial Possibilities and opportunity in his eyes. If you want Loyalty to Charlton JJ at number two Is the man and I think Nigel and Johnnie will do a Good job If given time and patience 👍👍
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
Read what was said about his sacking at Southampton and he refused a new contract at Hull. He was doing okay at Reading. 18 months is not that long so I doubt he has forgotten what the game is about.
As always there are people on this forum Who are nice people I am certain and are entitled To their opinions. But that does not mean they are right all the time And many talk utter Bollocks. I hope Nigel does a good job, I wish him well and I will not slag him off after 5 games if we have not Won every game. Bowyer was a great guy and I think he will do well At Birmingham if he is let do this thing. He left us because of money and better financial Possibilities and opportunity in his eyes. If you want Loyalty to Charlton JJ at number two Is the man and I think Nigel and Johnnie will do a Good job If given time and patience 👍👍
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
Firstly, pulling up that quote was meant as a bit of humour, I didn’t go searching for it, it was on the first page of a resurrected thread about Adkins sacking at Southampton. In view of your post it was quite funny.
Obviously you didn’t take it as such because you decided to resort to calling me not bright.
Anyway, just to point out, the percentages you quote are misleading, at least in the case of Hull. When he took over they were certs for relegation but he kept them up. The following season they finished 13th. This with no real backing from the Allam’s, and we of all fans should recognise the restrictions working under bad and despised owners. He was offered a new contract but rejected it due to the fact he felt unable to continue to work under them. Hull fans were gutted, which should tell you something in itself.
As for him not working since then and no one having looked to employ him. You haven’t obviously listened to his interviews because as he said himself he has turned down numerous chances to return to management including at least two from the Championship.
Maybe your own lights went out at that point .....
Of course Adkins is going to claim he had interest from other clubs!
What's he going to say? "Yeah, I have been sitting on my arse for two years and not had an offer from anyone."
Seriously, get real.
As I said elsewhere I'd have gone for Jackson with an experienced assistant - not necessarily Curbishley - because I believe on appointing from within from people who know the club if such as person is available.
As for the Hull situation, well, he's not being appointed on the back of what he did there, is he? We are not appointing someone on the back of keeping a troubled club in the Championship.
We have appointed him on the back of his success at Scunthorpe and Saints from 2006-2012 - that's a long time ago now and we are gambling he can reproduce that.
I find it funny that Ormiston keeps banging on about win percentages being important then mentions a series of successful Charlton managers all who have lower winning percentages than Adkins. Your are proving our point for us. Context matters. How a manager performs in the championship with an owner who is selling away anyone decent is not an indicator of whether a manager will succeed in league one. It absolutely fair to have an opinion that JJ should be appointed but the anger and absoluteness of your opinion almost makes me feel you want him to fail and as a consequence the club to fail. It is fair to have concerns but you are clearly pre judging him and my guess is the first bad performance by the squad and you will be on here slagging him off.
Adkins did brilliantly for Southampton TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO - he has not worked for two years and failed at his last three clubs.
This is just so gutting, I am sure he is a lovely bloke and all that but come on people if Sunderland appointed him after sacking Parky we’d have thought them mad.
Obviously he knows Ged Roddy from working together at Reading and that’s why he got the job, and that is just not good enough I am afraid.
Feels like a real kick in the teeth and confirms what others have said about tension between Bowyer and Roddy with the former fearing a replacement was being lined up.
I would love to be wrong but this looks like an awful appointment, please show me a manager that has failed at his last three clubs and then suddenly finds success after two years on his arse. You won’t be able to.
Really quite angry about this, feels like a complete piss take to be honest.
If they sack Adkins it will be the most ludicrous sacking in Premier League history, utterly bonkers.
Ormiston_Addick
Nice one mate, great to see you have plenty of time on your hands.
As I said, Adkins did a BRILLIANT job at Southampton, I saw them play a lot and they were fantastic and he was very badly treated there - although it turned out to be the right decision.
However, since then he has failed at three clubs, bombed out after a season and a half at Reading, Sheffield United and Hull with a league winning percentage of 36%, 40% and 33% respectively - compared to 55% At Southampton.
I am sure his eloquence and enthusiasm are very attractive but there is a lot of accumulated football knowledge on this forum and I think only one poster out of hundreds even mentioned Adkins name when Bowyers replacement was discussed.
Adkins left Hull nearly two years ago and in that time there must have been 40-50 sackings from the 90 plus clubs from the Premier League to League Two and yet not one of those clubs looked about and thought that Nigel Adkins was the man for the job - tells you something if you’re bright enough to see it.
I would love to be proved wrong and I am sure Nigel is a top bloke and interviews very well indeed - and he did brilliantly at Scunthorpe and Saints but that was a long, long time ago.
Football moves on and nobody in football gives a shit about Chris Powell winning League One with us back in 2011/12 - incidentally that was the last time Adkins won a promotion too - all they remember now is him failing at Huddersfield and Southend and the same goes for Adkins which is why he has been out of work for two years.
I’d love to get on the happy bus but this appointment feels like a bad move to me.
Read what was said about his sacking at Southampton and he refused a new contract at Hull. He was doing okay at Reading. 18 months is not that long so I doubt he has forgotten what the game is about.
As always there are people on this forum Who are nice people I am certain and are entitled To their opinions. But that does not mean they are right all the time And many talk utter Bollocks. I hope Nigel does a good job, I wish him well and I will not slag him off after 5 games if we have not Won every game. Bowyer was a great guy and I think he will do well At Birmingham if he is let do this thing. He left us because of money and better financial Possibilities and opportunity in his eyes. If you want Loyalty to Charlton JJ at number two Is the man and I think Nigel and Johnnie will do a Good job If given time and patience 👍👍
I think the important thing is that we don't judge him on our next result, or indeed the rest of this season. Things will change, and change takes time. If we struggle into the playoffs this year then great, but if not he gets a real transfer window to adjust (something which Bowyer never had). I think it may take Adkins the full 2.5 year tenure for us to see the full fruit of his labour's. It's no magic show with instant results.
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And since when has being middle aged become a crime? I dream of being middle aged!
Just think there is plenty of that in the fanbase atm, on here, twitter and the FB groups. It's a Ged Ruddy inside job, or because Sandgaard mentioned the academy it means he's broke etc. There's just negative theories being thrown out with zero basis, because people have had all the optimism beaten out of them.
I am curious though, who did you want us to appoint? And what were your reasons?
Well as you don't make the decision you'll just have to suck it up.
No one knows if Adkins will be a success or a failure but at least give the bloke more than a day to show us what he can do.
Personally I believe he will do the job he's been brought in for which is at least to get us out of this league and hopefully further playing some decent attacking football rather than the dross we've had to put up with recently.
The only failure was Pardew and even he did OK in the Premier League and he started off OK in the Championship until we sold Reid.
None of our external appointments have worked - not a single one of them from Dowie to Robinson.
That being the case I'd have gone for Jackson with someone more experienced as his assistant.
I'd love to be proved wrong but our successes have always been built on a mixture of academy players mixed with good, solid honest professionals with a fire in their belly.
In my view every club has a special culture and they do best when they stick to it, our culture is that of a club that brings through top young players and blends them with good players on their way up and we generally play good football and play the game the right way and our people understand this.
A good example of this is Palace who we may all hate with a passion but have done very well over the last thirty years since Wright and Bright were tearing the place up and Palace have always done well when they have played direct, aggressive football with plenty of pace up front.
It was no surprise at all that they bombed under Frank De Boer when he suddenly tried to turn them into Barcelona.
It's the same story at Millwall, as much as we hate them they do well when they stick to their core culture of playing long ball football with a big lump up top and playing with plenty of mongrel that gets their fans going and puts the opposition under the pump.
Whenever they struggle it's usually because they have strayed away from that - like they did under Spackman and Holloway - and they bring back someone like Harris to put them back on course.
Maybe Adkins can come in and find the right ingredients for us, I absolutely pray that he does and everything I have read suggests he is a really decent and intelligent man but make no mistake about it he is under pressure to deliver next season.
Mr. Sangaard can talk as much as he likes about long-term projects but the only long term project in football is the next match and if we are mid table in League One this time next year with no prospect of promotion then the storm clouds will be gathering.
Roddy oversees the running of the club, eyes and ears for TS. From the CAFC interview for his appointment, "his primary focus will be planning and implementing the club’s long-term footballing strategy with the initial aim of helping the club stabilise and ultimately getting the club back to the Premier League."
Think he helps implement the planning strategically, he sorted the overhaul of the medical department and think he is trying to help with gaining the Cat 1 status of the academy.
And obviously he is Adkins best bud from their time together at Reading... 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Obviously you didn’t take it as such because you decided to resort to calling me not bright.
Anyway, just to point out, the percentages you quote are misleading, at least in the case of Hull. When he took over they were certs for relegation but he kept them up. The following season they finished 13th. This with no real backing from the Allam’s, and we of all fans should recognise the restrictions working under bad and despised owners. He was offered a new contract but rejected it due to the fact he felt unable to continue to work under them. Hull fans were gutted, which should tell you something in itself.
As for him not working since then and no one having looked to employ him. You haven’t obviously listened to his interviews because as he said himself he has turned down numerous chances to return to management including at least two from the Championship.
Maybe your own lights went out at that point .....
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Who are nice people I am certain and are entitled
To their opinions.
But that does not mean they are right all the time
And many talk utter Bollocks.
I hope Nigel does a good job, I wish him well and
I will not slag him off after 5 games if we have not
Won every game.
Bowyer was a great guy and I think he will do well
At Birmingham if he is let do this thing.
He left us because of money and better financial
Possibilities and opportunity in his eyes.
If you want Loyalty to Charlton JJ at number two
Is the man and I think Nigel and Johnnie will do a
Good job If given time and patience 👍👍
What's he going to say? "Yeah, I have been sitting on my arse for two years and not had an offer from anyone."
Seriously, get real.
As I said elsewhere I'd have gone for Jackson with an experienced assistant - not necessarily Curbishley - because I believe on appointing from within from people who know the club if such as person is available.
As for the Hull situation, well, he's not being appointed on the back of what he did there, is he? We are not appointing someone on the back of keeping a troubled club in the Championship.
We have appointed him on the back of his success at Scunthorpe and Saints from 2006-2012 - that's a long time ago now and we are gambling he can reproduce that.
Agree ......