Post-match Thread: Charlton v Peterborough | Sat 24 April 2021

Valley11

Yep stupid comment. Stockley has been a more than decent loan signing. 

Player misses penalty = player is useless.

There’s some right goons on here 

Rock Spectacle

He needs someone to play off him or just behind him, as if we do choose to go long sometimes the wingers can be too distant and the midfield not high enough. Beevers is a Championship player and they recognised how to use him in both open play and at set pieces. Really hope that Adkins is prepared to be flexible tactically and if it means going away from the 4-3-3 he prefers to accommodate the 3 most likely to score, be it at the start or during the game a bit earlier than today on Tuesday, then it could work in our favour. He's already sprung a surprise with Maatsen, maybe it's time for another as for all our possession, we did get rumbled quite a bit, although the inability to beat the first man along with taking an extra touch was extremely frustrating. It's still down to us as to how things pan out, ultimately a season's results paint the ultimate picture but if we can get things right in the next 4 games it will restore the impetus. Just wish they were all away.... 

grumpyaddick

EveshamAddick said:

Good game, disappointing result. You can’t miss penalties if you want to get something from what was always going to be a hard game. I thought we played really well on the whole. A number of players were excellent today.

I think we should have brought Washington on for DJ instead of Morgan. And agreed with others who’ve said get Chuks on sooner. But we matched them pretty much all over the park, they took their chance and we didn’t. A draw would have been a fair result.

Agree with all of this. Our best performance of the season but just not quite good enough.  JFC and Purrington were outstanding.  

1968CAFC

If we had a penalty taker we would have had a point.
we were playing a very good team and we more than matched them in the second half.
I think we did ok and are still in with a chance.
Some of the negative comments on here tonight amaze me,
But every Club has its never satisfied supporters.
why don’t they FO and watch another team.

siblers

We're absolutely fucked if we end up in a penalty shootout should we make the playoffs. 

flyingkiwiDK

In all honesty Peterborough are a very good side. I’m still trying to figure out how the Gills managed to beat them last week.

golfaddick

flyingkiwiDK said:

In all honesty Peterborough are a very good side. I’m still trying to figure out how the Gills managed to beat them last week.

Gypsy curse.....

jimmymelrose

That was the best match of the season in terms of the quality of football played in my opinion, soured only by my phone reminding me that I should be on a flight over.

I was desperately hoping that a win would lead to the extreme longshot of automatic promotion. Yes, it's desperate but there's a desperate part of me can't bear the thought of a play-off campaign under this great authoritarian interdiction.

More fans without masks or social distancing protesting outside a ground again today. It's got to comical dystopian proportions when in a large ground like Arsenal's no-one is allowed in but there a helicopter flying above surveying those outside.


These are not restrictions. It is an unjustifiable interdiction. I'm amazed that everyone's so in acceptance of it all. Let those that want to go go, and others can choose not to. 

I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
Ive had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth 

"Gimme Some Truth" - John Lennon



Here you go John. Here's the truth:


2nd December 2020 v MK Dons:

2000 fans allowed entry
Vaccinations: 0
Daily infections: 16474
Daily Deaths: 385
Patients admitted : 1488

20th/24th April 2021 (most recent statistics available) https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

0 fans allowed entry
1st dose vaccinations: over 33.5 million
2nd dose vaccinations: over 12 million
Daily infections: 2061
Daily Deaths: 32
Patients admitted : 132

LargeAddick

PWR - I thought we did ok against a better team than us and probably deserved a draw. I can see why Adkins didn’t bring on Chuks or Washington earlier. They have both been out injured recently and if they had been brought on earlier but broken down and missed the rest of the season then Adkins would have got pelters and we would have been fucked. Hopefully going forward we can use them more. I’d definitely go two up top on Tuesday, a must win game. Miller is so frustrating, can easier beat his man but a very poor end product. For me he’s about League One level and I find it strange Liverpool gave him a new contract when he joined on loan. Not as if they are going to get much of a fee for him. 

LargeAddick

Laddick01 said:

I don’t know why but I don’t feel too bad about us not going up this season.

Doesn’t feel like we’re at risk of losing anyone decent if we aren’t promoted. I’d say we’re still rebuilding and that’d only be worse in the championship.

Think we can still get playoffs, but a year under Adkins in League 1 might not be the worst thing.

Whatever happens, this summer is crucial and we need to be planning long term.

I don’t think there is anyone we could lose who I’d be particularly bothered about to be honest (Inniss excepted). 

LargeAddick

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Croydon said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Croydon said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Covered End said:

Addickhead86 said:

Don't think the gulf was too big really. JCH was better than Stockley on the day, and we were less incisive overall in attack. Think our pressing game is coming together, we need to work on being clinical. I'm sure the team and manager will be itching to put things right on Tuesday.

JCH is better than Stockley on any day.
Stockley is decent but JCH is better.

You always want a Stockley though.

Talking about league 1 here.  A Stockley will make an average good, a good team very good and give a great team team a plan B.

He isn't a Taylor, Toney or a JCH.  He is a better "target man" than Eves or Magennis.  He is in the same league as Wyke. 

Stockley is a very average player and certainly worse than Magennis.

Nah Magennis was proper shit for us. Stockley is good at what he does, but he makes us a worse team

Magennis wasn't shit for us - he was playing in a very poor team with little or no service yet some of our fans seemed to expect miracles. I think a lot of our fans have forgotten how bad we were in the two seasons he was with us.

Stockley for me is a more limited player and his career stats are hardly impressive. 

We'll have to agree to disagree, I have no fond memories of Magennis' play whatsoever. 

Stockley is certainly not the way forward.

I think there is a place in a squad for a Stockley but I certainly wouldn’t want him starting every game BUT we have had little choice recently with Aneke and Washington injured. Adkins has had to find a style and system that would work best for us with two strikers out injured and that’s what he has done. I’m certain whatever division we are in next season we will see a big change in both personnel and style of play. 

Alwaysneil

LargeAddick said:

PWR - I thought we did ok against a better team than us and probably deserved a draw. I can see why Adkins didn’t bring on Chuks or Washington earlier. They have both been out injured recently and if they had been brought on earlier but broken down and missed the rest of the season then Adkins would have got pelters and we would have been fucked. Hopefully going forward we can use them more. I’d definitely go two up top on Tuesday, a must win game. Miller is so frustrating, can easier beat his man but a very poor end product. For me he’s about League One level and I find it strange Liverpool gave him a new contract when he joined on loan. Not as if they are going to get much of a fee for him. 

Mmmm,  while i think posh outclassed is as a team and particularly in the final third, we were screaming for a Millar for Washington swap and a chucks for (we couldn’t decide because we wanted him with rather then for stockley) maybe Watson  from 55 minutes on. 

oohaahmortimer

First game I’ve not watched since the Lincoln defeat earlier on in the season (played cricket) but no surprise in the result against a team that will get promoted .
All about Tuesday and our bouncebackability  
I’m presuming by the lack of blaming the ref for the result he didn’t have a bad game .
Having only seen the awarded  penalty on the highlight reels that looked as lame as they get , if Peterborough had won the fixture with a penalty for a decision like that the floodgates of our fans teardrops would have opened or was it more of a penalty than the limited view I saw .
Don’t think we’ll make it , we just feel a bit lame (yes I know we got 6 the other day) and my Xg isn’t keen on us .

48%      Play offs
52%     7th-12th

Chunes

I thought the point of having Stockley was to get crosses in the box. So I don't understand why Millar breaks free down the left, in acres of space, cuts back on his right and doesn't whip it in to the back post. Every time he laid it off to someone else and the move broke down. Surely when Stockley is your frontman, you're trying to get into those positions to cross the ball. 

Think we should've put far more into the mixer yesterday. This is what Sunderland do so well. They get an inch of space out wide and it goes in to Wyke. 

Raith_C_Chattonell

I'd like to have seen Chuks on earlier and Morgan finish the game.  

ElfsborgAddick

Cafc43v3r said:

Valleysarr said:

Don’t think I’ve seen a poorer player than Stockley for years minus Bogol 

Don't watch Charlton often then? 

Even less than me

usetobunkin

Penalty SAVE cost us, Good performance, lacking end product. Still think we will squeeze the play offs. 

rina

oohaahmortimer said:

First game I’ve not watched since the Lincoln defeat earlier on in the season (played cricket) but no surprise in the result against a team that will get promoted .
All about Tuesday and our bouncebackability  
I’m presuming by the lack of blaming the ref for the result he didn’t have a bad game .
Having only seen the awarded  penalty on the highlight reels that looked as lame as they get , if Peterborough had won the fixture with a penalty for a decision like that the floodgates of our fans teardrops would have opened or was it more of a penalty than the limited view I saw .
Don’t think we’ll make it , we just feel a bit lame (yes I know we got 6 the other day) and my Xg isn’t keen on us .

48%      Play offs
52%     7th-12th

Pen looks soft on the Sky highlights but it's absolutely clear cut from the other angle

cafc_se7

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

AFKABartram said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Covered End said:

Addickhead86 said:

Don't think the gulf was too big really. JCH was better than Stockley on the day, and we were less incisive overall in attack. Think our pressing game is coming together, we need to work on being clinical. I'm sure the team and manager will be itching to put things right on Tuesday.

JCH is better than Stockley on any day.
Stockley is decent but JCH is better.

You always want a Stockley though.

Talking about league 1 here.  A Stockley will make an average good, a good team very good and give a great team team a plan B.

He isn't a Taylor, Toney or a JCH.  He is a better "target man" than Eves or Magennis.  He is in the same league as Wyke. 

Stockley is a very average player and certainly worse than Magennis.

Christ we are a tough crowd at times. 

Stockley has been fully committed and decent for this level. He wasn’t so effective today but that was largely due to how well Beevers played (noticed how ineffective the giant Inniss was at set plays?). 

He's a journeyman like Magennis - if he was a better player he'd be playing at a higher level. I'm not questioning his commitment but I don't think he should be our main attacking threat.

And I suppose you think Chuks is on par with Pele?

MuttleyCAFC

siblers said:

We're absolutely fucked if we end up in a penalty shootout should we make the playoffs. 

What Nigel should do is behind closed doors get every player to rehearse on penalty. They will probably only need one. But it is possible we will have to negotiate a penalty shoot out and thinking about yesterday, there wasn't a long list or even a short list of players to take that kick.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

If we can't beat Crewe at home then we don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Realistically we need three wins in the last 4 and it will be a struggle given our terrible home form.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

cafc_se7 said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

AFKABartram said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Covered End said:

Addickhead86 said:

Don't think the gulf was too big really. JCH was better than Stockley on the day, and we were less incisive overall in attack. Think our pressing game is coming together, we need to work on being clinical. I'm sure the team and manager will be itching to put things right on Tuesday.

JCH is better than Stockley on any day.
Stockley is decent but JCH is better.

You always want a Stockley though.

Talking about league 1 here.  A Stockley will make an average good, a good team very good and give a great team team a plan B.

He isn't a Taylor, Toney or a JCH.  He is a better "target man" than Eves or Magennis.  He is in the same league as Wyke. 

Stockley is a very average player and certainly worse than Magennis.

Christ we are a tough crowd at times. 

Stockley has been fully committed and decent for this level. He wasn’t so effective today but that was largely due to how well Beevers played (noticed how ineffective the giant Inniss was at set plays?). 

He's a journeyman like Magennis - if he was a better player he'd be playing at a higher level. I'm not questioning his commitment but I don't think he should be our main attacking threat.

And I suppose you think Chuks is on par with Pele?

Magennis got far too much criticism from our fans and Stockley seems to get too much praise. As for Chuks I'd say he's a better player than Pele at present as Pele's legs have gone.

thickandthin63

We were having a shocker up to about 11 games ago,and I would have bitten someones hand off to be in our present position.
Still in our hands,dont think our rivals will win all their games,we played well yesterday,without the cutting edge.Surprised at Stockley taking the penalty in the same way,when Ronnie took one.Watson,JFC,Gilbey all to me were a better bet.
I do consider the play offs a bit of a bonus after the seasons turmoils,and if we do get there ,then we have the momentum,Sunderland,Lincoln,Portsmouth all on a downward spiral,even Blackpool who looked unstoppable now fading.
We have lost 1 in 11,that is the statistic that matters,Adkins will put saturday behind him,maybe try and rectify a few things,and be well ready for Crewe and Accrington.All to play for.

oohaahmortimer

Cafc43v3r said:

Covered End said:

Addickhead86 said:

Don't think the gulf was too big really. JCH was better than Stockley on the day, and we were less incisive overall in attack. Think our pressing game is coming together, we need to work on being clinical. I'm sure the team and manager will be itching to put things right on Tuesday.

JCH is better than Stockley on any day.
Stockley is decent but JCH is better.

You always want a Stockley though.

Talking about league 1 here.  A Stockley will make an average good, a good team very good and give a great team team a plan B.

He isn't a Taylor, Toney or a JCH.  He is a better "target man" than Eves or Magennis.  He is in the same league as Wyke. 

When you say Stockley is in the same league as 30 goal Wyke you’re referring to the literal meaning , as in Sheffield United are in the same League as Man City (for now) 
Stockley is good at what he does but he isn’t ever getting 30 goals with his head in a season ;-)

king addick

Stockley has 6 goals since January which is a decent return. We all see how good he is when we played Plymouth.

Today wasn't his day and maybe Chucks should have come on earlier for him and Nige can say " you've worked hard but it hasn't come off today so thought I'd try something else" he dusts himself off, puts this game behind him & works even harder next game. Tbf aswell, the crossing in this game was woeful.

I would 100% have Stockley here next season. 

MuttleyCAFC

What concerns me a bit is the formation. It works very well when teams are open but Stockley can be suffocated when they get bodies behind the ball. I think with DJ out Adkns has to find a way to accommodate Aneke or Washington on Tuesday. Against Accrington, perfectly happy to revert to the formation.

Valley11

Chunes said:

I thought the point of having Stockley was to get crosses in the box. So I don't understand why Millar breaks free down the left, in acres of space, cuts back on his right and doesn't whip it in to the back post. Every time he laid it off to someone else and the move broke down. Surely when Stockley is your frontman, you're trying to get into those positions to cross the ball. 

Think we should've put far more into the mixer yesterday. This is what Sunderland do so well. They get an inch of space out wide and it goes in to Wyke. 

This. It’s like Millar doesn’t actually trust his delivery. He’s great at beating the full back and Stockley must have been licking his lips at the whipped near post delivery (like the goal at Plymouth) but it never came. Millar checks back, Posh’s defence reset and we looked toothless. Even if Stockley doesn’t win the header, our midfield is set up to pick up any knockdown and JFC or Gilbey would have decent chances with second balls. 

MuttleyCAFC

I think Sunderland were bemoaning their ball in the box against us, with Johnson saying it was normally a strength. The real problem was that we had bodies behind the ball and a dominant Inniss who won most floated in balls. You are not comparing like with like when you are having success against a different dynamic. Posh had a big centre half who had Stockley in his pocket and there was a shortage of options for Millar and others. It ramps up the delivery difficulty level greatly. 

letthegoodtimesroll

PWR - a disappointing result against a very good team which in itself had that penalty go in tells us we are not so bad ourselves. On reflection, win the next two and that result may turn out to be a an unintended tactical masterstroke if it is the difference that means Peterborough are not in the playoffs when we are.

Killarahales

Peterborough are a better side than us and will deservedly be promoted, but I think our second half performance deserved a draw. We might not go up this season, but I’ll be betting on promotion next season; Adkins/Jackson/Euell is a winning combination.