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Tokyo Olympics
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Robot horses the way forward....0
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As stated my recollection was she had a fella and then got caught with Jason KennyPrincessFiona said:
So there was no issue?Cafc43v3r said:
She was caught smooching Mr Kenny, I think it was at the beach volley ball in horse guards?PrincessFiona said:
What?MrOneLung said:
Apart from when she cheated on her boyfriend during 2012 Olympics obviouslyPrincessFiona said:
Seems to have a lovely attitude and personality too!ValleyGary said:I don’t know if it’s because she’s so good, but Laura Kenny does it for me. What a woman.
He wasn't, at the time, the current Mr Trott. To be honest I have no idea if there was a current partner.0 -
So unfair as she was leading before. Have to wonder whether the horse was really fit for purpose as it caused issues for the other rider too.killerandflash said:
Just saw that, that was heartbreaking. That horse had destroyed the chances of a Russian competitor earlier, so she was probably fearing the worstcafcfan1990 said:Cruel watching the Modern Pentathlon. German rider who was in first place just lost any chance of a medal as her horse refused to jump the fences. Seems a bit unfair that they get assigned random horses. The German might be in a bit of trouble too, she didn't take too kindly to the horse doing her over!0 -
Handling a horse you've never met before is clearly a major skill, but sometimes I guess you get a bolshy horse that nobody could tame...0
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That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse3 -
It was a month after she split with her previous (cyclist) boyfriend.PrincessFiona said:
So there was no issue?Cafc43v3r said:
She was caught smooching Mr Kenny, I think it was at the beach volley ball in horse guards?PrincessFiona said:
What?MrOneLung said:
Apart from when she cheated on her boyfriend during 2012 Olympics obviouslyPrincessFiona said:
Seems to have a lovely attitude and personality too!ValleyGary said:I don’t know if it’s because she’s so good, but Laura Kenny does it for me. What a woman.
He wasn't, at the time, the current Mr Trott. To be honest I have no idea if there was a current partner.
So IMO, no cheating.2 -
I like that they combined the running and shooting, as that replicates "real life" far more than separate running and shootingMrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse1 -
So pleased for Laura Muir, someone who really deserved a medal10
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Brilliant run Laura4
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Easy to spot the Scottish runner out there, someone who’s never seen any sun
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That was amazing. Superb run.1
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That was an epic 1500 race. British record and beating the fantastic Hassan into 3rd place.
Superb silver by Laura Muir. Athletic medals are so difficult.
Kipyegon retaining the gold 5 years apart is an awesome achievement.
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Man, so pleased for her.2
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That was a very ropey relay!1
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I'm proper sick of Italy this year3
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Poxy Italians again0
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Gutting for the GB relay team. Silver by one hundredth of a second3
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It's weird the psychology of sport, the women get a bronze and it's a success, the men get a silver and it's devastation for the guy on the anchor leg0
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But competition is supposed to be on an equal level for the athletes involved.MrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse
At least two of the horses today undermined genuine medal chances - having better selection in place, concentrating on temperament, etc., is a basic requirement to make the competition less of a Russian roulette.
Failing that, have the show-jumping be the first event.1 -
The anchor leg athlete who won the individual 100m has performed amazinglyValleyGary said:Poxy Italians again0 -
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Italy had an amazing few weeks
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I’m pretty sure I head afterwards it was actually he same horse that the Russian and German ladies got that led to both their disqualification, probably a Polish horse 😉NornIrishAddick said:
But competition is supposed to be on an equal level for the athletes involved.MrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse
At least two of the horses today undermined genuine medal chances - having better selection in place, concentrating on temperament, etc., is a basic requirement to make the competition less of a Russian roulette.
Failing that, have the show-jumping be the first event.
It does seem harsh but then there are always some unfair variables in sport, how many cyclists and racing drivers have lost events because of punctures and mechanicals2 -
The men's modern pentathlon is tomorrow, I assume they'll use the same horses and if they do, will they withdraw that horse?0
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For what it's worth, I agree about the cyclists and racing drivers, but in both cases, they will have been involved in the selection/development of what's used.Gary Poole said:
I’m pretty sure I head afterwards it was actually he same horse that the Russian and German ladies got that led to both their disqualification, probably a Polish horse 😉NornIrishAddick said:
But competition is supposed to be on an equal level for the athletes involved.MrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse
At least two of the horses today undermined genuine medal chances - having better selection in place, concentrating on temperament, etc., is a basic requirement to make the competition less of a Russian roulette.
Failing that, have the show-jumping be the first event.
It does seem harsh but then there are always some unfair variables in sport, how many cyclists and racing drivers have lost events because of punctures and mechanicals
The reason I said at least two of the horses was that, as well as Saint Boy causing absolute heartbreak for Annika Schleu, Constantin refused for both the Uzbek competitor and Natalya Coyle (who went from 4th to 19th), but at least, unlike Schleu and 5 others she did manage to score in this round.
While I don't really have a problem with the idea of having neutral horses, they need to be better chosen and should not be shared (IMHO), a horse that has already refused the jumps can hardly be expected to act as if nothing had happened if facing the same course within a matter of minutes.
The scores in the round tell the story. I don't watch Modern Pentathlon a lot, but there is no way that so many should have scored as low as they did, unless the course was fiendishly difficult (which the better scores would suggest it wasn't).0 -
Just now Samantha Murray on the BBC (who's competed against Schleu at London and Rio) thought it was mainly down to Schleu, and that the tension she was feeling and expressing to the horse put it offNornIrishAddick said:
For what it's worth, I agree about the cyclists and racing drivers, but in both cases, they will have been involved in the selection/development of what's used.Gary Poole said:
I’m pretty sure I head afterwards it was actually he same horse that the Russian and German ladies got that led to both their disqualification, probably a Polish horse 😉NornIrishAddick said:
But competition is supposed to be on an equal level for the athletes involved.MrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse
At least two of the horses today undermined genuine medal chances - having better selection in place, concentrating on temperament, etc., is a basic requirement to make the competition less of a Russian roulette.
Failing that, have the show-jumping be the first event.
It does seem harsh but then there are always some unfair variables in sport, how many cyclists and racing drivers have lost events because of punctures and mechanicals
The reason I said at least two of the horses was that, as well as Saint Boy causing absolute heartbreak for Annika Schleu, Constantin refused for both the Uzbek competitor and Natalya Coyle (who went from 4th to 19th), but at least, unlike Schleu and 5 others she did manage to score in this round.
While I don't really have a problem with the idea of having neutral horses, they need to be better chosen and should not be shared (IMHO), a horse that has already refused the jumps can hardly be expected to act as if nothing had happened if facing the same course within a matter of minutes.
The scores in the round tell the story. I don't watch Modern Pentathlon a lot, but there is no way that so many should have scored as low as they did, unless the course was fiendishly difficult (which the better scores would suggest it wasn't).
I guess we will never know whether a better rider could have coped with that horse0 -
The guy who ran the anchor leg was not the guy that won the 100m individual. He ran the 2nd or 3rd leg I think?PrincessFiona said:
The anchor leg athlete who won the individual 100m has performed amazinglyValleyGary said:Poxy Italians again
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Yeah the anchor runner only made the semi’s.SuedeAdidas said:
The guy who ran the anchor leg was not the guy that won the 100m individual. He ran the 2nd or 3rd leg I think?PrincessFiona said:
The anchor leg athlete who won the individual 100m has performed amazinglyValleyGary said:Poxy Italians again1 -
Jacobs, the Italian individual 100 metre gold medallist, ran the second leg in the 4 x 100 metre relay.SuedeAdidas said:
The guy who ran the anchor leg was not the guy that won the 100m individual. He ran the 2nd or 3rd leg I think?PrincessFiona said:
The anchor leg athlete who won the individual 100m has performed amazinglyValleyGary said:Poxy Italians again0 -
I don't think it would have made any difference, the horse was going backwards from the beginning, IMHO Schleu, or any rider, would have found a horse that didn't want to be there as much as Saint Boy rideable.killerandflash said:
Just now Samantha Murray on the BBC (who's competed against Schleu at London and Rio) thought it was mainly down to Schleu, and that the tension she was feeling and expressing to the horse put it offNornIrishAddick said:
For what it's worth, I agree about the cyclists and racing drivers, but in both cases, they will have been involved in the selection/development of what's used.Gary Poole said:
I’m pretty sure I head afterwards it was actually he same horse that the Russian and German ladies got that led to both their disqualification, probably a Polish horse 😉NornIrishAddick said:
But competition is supposed to be on an equal level for the athletes involved.MrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse
At least two of the horses today undermined genuine medal chances - having better selection in place, concentrating on temperament, etc., is a basic requirement to make the competition less of a Russian roulette.
Failing that, have the show-jumping be the first event.
It does seem harsh but then there are always some unfair variables in sport, how many cyclists and racing drivers have lost events because of punctures and mechanicals
The reason I said at least two of the horses was that, as well as Saint Boy causing absolute heartbreak for Annika Schleu, Constantin refused for both the Uzbek competitor and Natalya Coyle (who went from 4th to 19th), but at least, unlike Schleu and 5 others she did manage to score in this round.
While I don't really have a problem with the idea of having neutral horses, they need to be better chosen and should not be shared (IMHO), a horse that has already refused the jumps can hardly be expected to act as if nothing had happened if facing the same course within a matter of minutes.
The scores in the round tell the story. I don't watch Modern Pentathlon a lot, but there is no way that so many should have scored as low as they did, unless the course was fiendishly difficult (which the better scores would suggest it wasn't).
I guess we will never know whether a better rider could have coped with that horse
Requiring that a competitor use a horse that had proved shortly beforehand that it was already highly stressed and unwilling to jump in the competition is unreasonable.
And, the rules of the competition strictly limit what a rider can do to attempt to control the horse (a good thing IMHO).
Yes Schleu was upset and it showed, but, even before she had managed to get to the first fence, Saint Boy had destroyed her advantage. She knew that he was destroying her Olympic dreams.
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I take your point about being able to choose your equipment in other sports although often it is not the athlete’s choice and comes down to sponsorship. It does I agree seem especially harsh to be leading an event and end up DQ’d because of a clumpy horse you had nothing to do with. But sport entertains because of the level of jeopardy involved.NornIrishAddick said:
For what it's worth, I agree about the cyclists and racing drivers, but in both cases, they will have been involved in the selection/development of what's used.Gary Poole said:
I’m pretty sure I head afterwards it was actually he same horse that the Russian and German ladies got that led to both their disqualification, probably a Polish horse 😉NornIrishAddick said:
But competition is supposed to be on an equal level for the athletes involved.MrOneLung said:That’s the whole idea though isn’t it?
it meant to represent the skills a soldier may have needed to escape - might need to have a sword fight, swim a river, shoot , run, or grab a strange horse
At least two of the horses today undermined genuine medal chances - having better selection in place, concentrating on temperament, etc., is a basic requirement to make the competition less of a Russian roulette.
Failing that, have the show-jumping be the first event.
It does seem harsh but then there are always some unfair variables in sport, how many cyclists and racing drivers have lost events because of punctures and mechanicals
The reason I said at least two of the horses was that, as well as Saint Boy causing absolute heartbreak for Annika Schleu, Constantin refused for both the Uzbek competitor and Natalya Coyle (who went from 4th to 19th), but at least, unlike Schleu and 5 others she did manage to score in this round.
While I don't really have a problem with the idea of having neutral horses, they need to be better chosen and should not be shared (IMHO), a horse that has already refused the jumps can hardly be expected to act as if nothing had happened if facing the same course within a matter of minutes.
The scores in the round tell the story. I don't watch Modern Pentathlon a lot, but there is no way that so many should have scored as low as they did, unless the course was fiendishly difficult (which the better scores would suggest it wasn't).
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