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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic v Bolton Wanderers | Tuesday 28th September 2021
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Adkins isn’t great and is probably, but who do these players think they are? Most of them aren’t fit to lace the boots of their predecessors but they’re acting like Billy big bollocks undermining the manager.Cafc43v3r said:
One of them told him walking was brilliant when he got told he was waking not running back and hasn't been seen again 😳bobmunro said:Off_it said:
"The players" didn't like Bowyer either, did they?esseffect said:
If players are doing that then they really need to stop pointing the finger.mendonca said:
I can believe that. I think his coaching team were the tactical men and he was the Mr Motivator. In fact this has become crystal clear.J BLOCK said:According to a player Adkins barely says a word in the dressing room before the game or at half time.Whoever you know J Block sounds like a whingeing bastard
Sounds like they don't like anyone much. Poor lambs.The players stopped liking Bowyer when he started calling them out in public.The players won't play for Adkins because he has zero credibility - Adkins is laughing saying 'walking is great' but fuck all else while the players are laughing at him, not with him.That doesn't excuse the players by the way.11 -
We started well but as the game went on the gaps grew and the defeat looked more and more likely. Maybe the chopping and changing means we lack awareness as a team, maybe the late signings mean we have too many unfit players but nobody seems to be taking responsibility for it whereas the ignorant supporters were calling it for what it was at the time.0
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Surely after tonight Matthews should be joining them... the bloke's stealing a wage.bobmunro said:Cafc43v3r said:
One of them told him walking was brilliant when he got told he was waking not running back and hasn't been seen again 😳bobmunro said:Off_it said:
"The players" didn't like Bowyer either, did they?esseffect said:
If players are doing that then they really need to stop pointing the finger.mendonca said:
I can believe that. I think his coaching team were the tactical men and he was the Mr Motivator. In fact this has become crystal clear.J BLOCK said:According to a player Adkins barely says a word in the dressing room before the game or at half time.Whoever you know J Block sounds like a whingeing bastard
Sounds like they don't like anyone much. Poor lambs.The players stopped liking Bowyer when he started calling them out in public.The players won't play for Adkins because he has zero credibility - Adkins is laughing saying 'walking is great' but fuck all else while the players are laughing at him, not with him.That doesn't excuse the players by the way.
Those players (it's more than one) collectively known as the Bomb Squad.3 -
And then you read that Macauley Bonne scored twice for Ipswich tonight ...... 7 goals in 8 games.
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You mean the fat failed one?Dazzler21 said:
Lineups was not a player. Well not a recent oneCroydon said:
What credibility do the players have? Little pricks breaking rank, moaning, leaking line ups. And when they don't like the next manager? 'oh he's lost the dressing room' take 3.bobmunro said:Off_it said:
"The players" didn't like Bowyer either, did they?esseffect said:
If players are doing that then they really need to stop pointing the finger.mendonca said:
I can believe that. I think his coaching team were the tactical men and he was the Mr Motivator. In fact this has become crystal clear.J BLOCK said:According to a player Adkins barely says a word in the dressing room before the game or at half time.Whoever you know J Block sounds like a whingeing bastard
Sounds like they don't like anyone much. Poor lambs.The players stopped liking Bowyer when he started calling them out in public.The players won't play for Adkins because he has zero credibility - Adkins is laughing saying 'walking is great' but fuck all else while the players are laughing at him, not with him.That doesn't excuse the players by the way.
Absolute arseholes.2 -
Stark contrast to what Deano was saying about Curbs assembling a squad of decent players with the right characterbobmunro said:Croydon said:
What credibility do the players have? Little pricks breaking rank, moaning, leaking line ups. And when they don't like the next manager? 'oh he's lost the dressing room' take 3.bobmunro said:Off_it said:
"The players" didn't like Bowyer either, did they?esseffect said:
If players are doing that then they really need to stop pointing the finger.mendonca said:
I can believe that. I think his coaching team were the tactical men and he was the Mr Motivator. In fact this has become crystal clear.J BLOCK said:According to a player Adkins barely says a word in the dressing room before the game or at half time.Whoever you know J Block sounds like a whingeing bastard
Sounds like they don't like anyone much. Poor lambs.The players stopped liking Bowyer when he started calling them out in public.The players won't play for Adkins because he has zero credibility - Adkins is laughing saying 'walking is great' but fuck all else while the players are laughing at him, not with him.That doesn't excuse the players by the way.
Absolute arseholes.
I don't disagree.1 -
and get rid of that fucking song!!!! that was the start of it !!!!DamoNorthStand said:
Oh FFS.curlywantstotango said:
Your managerial appointments have been an utter disaster. The joint handling of the transfer window between ownership and management was utterly abysmal, and your hero signing Mr Ronnie Schwartz was a waste of money and space - for now just do the right thing and change this. Admit you hired the wrong guy and change it!
Boom.5 -
I've spent a lot of time defending Adkins and have called for him to be given another half a dozen games to sort things out. After tonight that is even a stretch for me.
We smacked of a team that looked OK 'til the opposition got a sniff. Matthews twice repeated his basic defensive mistake from Saturday and our CBs ended up creating a hole the width of the Sea of Galilee for the final goal.
Bolton are a better side than some are giving them credit for. They were unlucky by all accounts against Sunderland, beat Ipswich by the same margin as they defeated us tonight and are in 7th place with15 points (10 of them away from home). The fact that they are newly promoted is absolutely irrelevant - they were favourites to win League 2 last season but had a disastrous start, winning just one game from their first 11 in all comps and only amassed 28 points from their first 24 games. They then went on a run of 51 points from their final 22 games to gain automatic promotion.
Bolton stuck with the newly appointed Ian Evatt and it's clear that he struggled early on to find a winning formula. I'm not sure we can do the same with Adkins but hopefully, either way, we can start to move up the table if and when some level of confidence and belief is restored. Quite how we do that I haven't a clue!
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As Dazzler said on the Match Thread, its frustrating because for the majority of the game we looked like we were finally getting it together - To say we dominated the majority of the game is a stretch but it almost felt a smash and grab from Bolton when they went 2-1 up, they just decided to come back twice and kick us in the nuts whilst we were trying to get up from the floor.
Like the Milton Keynes game, the biggest concern is how much we crumble when we go a goal down.
Typical Charlton though, we've probably deserved a thrashing this season, its come in the one game where we didnt deserve it.
Well played Josh Davison | Corey Blackett-Taylor | Jonathan Leko - Those three continue to embarrass a lot of our Senior Players20 -
Partly, but Bowyer had very different ideas to Robinson. JJ can a go as caretaker and if it doesn’t work out get someone else in. It’s worth a gamble to see if he can turn it around.siblers said:
Hard to know how much influence JJ has under Adkins but isn't he somewhat responsible for this mess too?Scoham said:
I’d argue that’s the last thing we need.J BLOCK said:Don’t want Jackson or Euell in the job, this is too critical now and we need an experienced head.
An experienced manager at this level means a “big name” like Adkins dropping down, or someone who’s been at this level for years and not made the step up.
Give JJ and Euell a few games to see if they get a reaction, if not bring in a good young manager on the way up.
Successful managers at this level tend to be younger. Maybe it’s fresh ideas, more drive to do well or finding it easier to relate to players? Whatever it is it works more often than the likes of Adkins and Slade stepping down and feeling like they’re doing us favour.1 -
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Carl and Tracey Leaburn are my next shout for Managers of Charlton.
Curbs and Minto as First team Coaches.
JJ and Euell to move to TV Presenting.6 -
Adkins is the managerial equivalent of someone like Harry Arter. He's older, but not that old. He's been all the way to Premier League, but now he's at Charlton in League One when there should still be life in his career. Why is that? It's because his career is only heading in one direction.All the Mr Nice Guy stuff, it might work on some but I found it a bit cringe from the first interview he gave for us. Give me Bowyer's grumpy realism any day of the week - at least he came across as honest. I can 100% believe the players are laughing at him now results aren't going well because he comes across as having very little credibility.7
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DisagreeTalal said:
I'd be surprised if another manager could get significant improvement from a number of them, especially the central midfielders. No matter who gets picked in that position they aren't good enough over 90 minutes and I don't see how a different manager could change that. That said we've got to try something as this clearly isn't working.FishCostaFortune said:
I think there's certainly some talent in our squad, I just personally think they are poorly managed and poorly coached. You can see that in so many aspects of our play - yes we manage to have some good spells, but overall I'd argue everytime team I've seen play us this season look more comfortable on the ball, and have better movement off it.Talal said:I don't think there was a lack of effort out there (suggesting they weren't playing for the manager), they're just not good enough.
a new manager will have a large squad to pick his best XI, and be consistent with them!4+ wingers to chose from, 3 or 4 strikers’ to chose from as well as a plethora of midfielders who can play centrally or within a diamond etc
defence is dependant on the midfield - but 2 decent LBs to pick from, two poor right backs arguably, but with a set of good options centrally too!It’s about consistent teams, a clear game approach and proactive game play - none of which we have!2 -
I don't have any confidence that the people in charge at the valley know what they're doing. I don't have confidence that they'll get the next appointment right and things will improve.Cafc43v3r said:
I know you were 100% behind Bowyer so what would you do now?esseffect said:I do actually think Adkins walks before being sacked. It’ll be like Bowyer. All wanting him out only to be replaced by someone worse.
Things have to change but I think it needs more than just changing Adkins5 -
Bomb squad has to be Dobson, Kirk and DJ, all recent signings that have completely bombed and not in Adkins's plans seemingly1
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We've invested to much in wingers, and it's not really football meta anymore so probably wouldn't work but I feel like a diamond ofTalal said:
I'd be surprised if another manager could get significant improvement from a number of them, especially the central midfielders. No matter who gets picked in that position they aren't good enough over 90 minutes and I don't see how a different manager could change that. That said we've got to try something as this clearly isn't working.FishCostaFortune said:
I think there's certainly some talent in our squad, I just personally think they are poorly managed and poorly coached. You can see that in so many aspects of our play - yes we manage to have some good spells, but overall I'd argue everytime team I've seen play us this season look more comfortable on the ball, and have better movement off it.Talal said:I don't think there was a lack of effort out there (suggesting they weren't playing for the manager), they're just not good enough.
Lee,
Gilbey, Clare
Dobson
And then Stockley/Davison and Washington/Leko up front would certainly improve that aspect of our game.
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Get Bowyer back? I know I’m in a minority but I’d rather have kept him and changed the squad last year. Missing his honesty and his Gucci school jumper.Cafc43v3r said:
I know you were 100% behind Bowyer so what would you do now?esseffect said:I do actually think Adkins walks before being sacked. It’ll be like Bowyer. All wanting him out only to be replaced by someone worse.5 -
Just look at our full backs....ponderous five yard passes to players hemmed in on the sideline with nowhere to go.....putting us under pressure everytime....it's just awful.....the opposition will play to mids or forwards running in to space looking for the one two pass or get beyond the opposition fullback....I could see CBT was fcuked and would have took him off around 70 mins....he didn't track back for one of their goals......same with Clare he was gassed after 70 mins.....he's not a good reader of the game is our Nige....I liked the guy and wanted him to do well but its time to move on8
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To lack of inclusion of DJ and Kirk is baffling - especially when you’re desperate for a win!sam3110 said:Bomb squad has to be Dobson, Kirk and DJ, all recent signings that have completely bombed and not in Adkins's plans seeminglySaid in the match thread, subs were telegraphed as soon as the team sheet came out - we knew what subs would be made!Kirk and DJ should have been like for like replacements for tiring leko and CBT , but being bombed out of the squad has stopped that2 -
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Plethora of below average central midfielders.sammy391 said:
DisagreeTalal said:
I'd be surprised if another manager could get significant improvement from a number of them, especially the central midfielders. No matter who gets picked in that position they aren't good enough over 90 minutes and I don't see how a different manager could change that. That said we've got to try something as this clearly isn't working.FishCostaFortune said:
I think there's certainly some talent in our squad, I just personally think they are poorly managed and poorly coached. You can see that in so many aspects of our play - yes we manage to have some good spells, but overall I'd argue everytime team I've seen play us this season look more comfortable on the ball, and have better movement off it.Talal said:I don't think there was a lack of effort out there (suggesting they weren't playing for the manager), they're just not good enough.
a new manager will have a large squad to pick his best XI, and be consistent with them!4+ wingers to chose from, 3 or 4 strikers’ to chose from as well as a plethora of midfielders who can play centrally or within a diamond etc
defence is dependant on the midfield - but 2 decent LBs to pick from, two poor right backs arguably, but with a set of good options centrally too!It’s about consistent teams, a clear game approach and proactive game play - none of which we have!4 -
ValleyGary said:
It’ll take some doing for the next person to get less than 6 points from 30.esseffect said:I do actually think Adkins walks before being sacked. It’ll be like Bowyer. All wanting him out only to be replaced by someone worse.
JJ - "Hold my beer......"0 -
I sit behind the dugout lower west stand - Adkins has been jumping about and getting annoyed during games all season - he is clearly trying to get them to play a certain way, but I don’t think the players are good enough to carry out what he wants - as to what he wants them to do, well definitely he gets as frustrated as we all do with the sideways and backwards passing and the very slow forward movement / passing - and it’s worth noting that first half tonight, we did move the ball forward with pace, using CBT and Leko in the way we need to = a good display
And then we just turned to crud
I don’t think he is a poor manager (his record with Saints is testament to that) - but I think there is definitely a case here where the players are a) largely not good enough and b) they are not ‘with’ him
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No but I've realised that you know bugger all about football.addick_for_life said:Hopefully people on this website will now realise how poor Matthews is as a defender. He is OK going forward but 3 of the last 6 goals has been down to him showing his player inside rather than down the wing and they have scored 3 times and he was possibly at fault for two other goals , so many people on this website keep saying how great he is and hopefully they will now realise how wrong they are . There is a reason why so many Welsh managers have given Gunter over 100 caps and Matthews only 14 because a Right Back needs to be a defender first which clearly Matthews cannot do !!! Please wake up to the fact that Matthews cannot defend
Have you not noticed the lack of defensive cover from the midfield. None of them track runners, ever. It's difficult to defend when you've got at least two players coming towards you, time and time again.
Matthews is infinitely better than Gunter. Whether he had been over the last ten years I don't know, but in a Charlton shirt he certainly has.3 -
That was the one, the one where you get a slight sinking feeling that we genuinely could be in a relegation battle, wait for it..
To the 4th tier.I’m ready to give up following football after that I really am. Just, at a complete loss.2 -
Couldn't get any petrol for his car, I've also heard.CH4RLTON said:Someone saying on Facebook Adkins has walked ( ohh the irony)
Asked someone for a lift after the game and they said "take that thumb out of your arse and stick it in the air".......he's still walking as we speak!2 -
You have to laugh. How poor are those players! Talentless.Worst Charlton team I’ve ever seen I thought but then I remembered 1979/80. So second worst!3
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Yeah, I make you right except ...... all night long Matthews was overloaded 2-1.addick_for_life said:Hopefully people on this website will now realise how poor Matthews is as a defender. He is OK going forward but 3 of the last 6 goals has been down to him showing his player inside rather than down the wing and they have scored 3 times and he was possibly at fault for two other goals , so many people on this website keep saying how great he is and hopefully they will now realise how wrong they are . There is a reason why so many Welsh managers have given Gunter over 100 caps and Matthews only 14 because a Right Back needs to be a defender first which clearly Matthews cannot do !!! Please wake up to the fact that Matthews cannot defend
Why was that and why was it allowed to continue?
Even for the Bolton equaliser tonight, where was the midfielder supporting Matthews, covering the space and challenging?
If that space is closed down, the Bolton goalscorer can't turn inside and shoot. Clare was already in the box, but surely he should have stepped forward and closed the space?
Any fullback will be vulnerable if he's exposed.
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Players who we need to ship out with the manager: Matthews, Gunter and Washington. Barker can't do worse at right back. Players who shouldn't be starting, Watson and Pearce.
Then work it out with what you have left.2 -
Scoham said:
Partly, but Bowyer had very different ideas to Robinson. JJ can a go as caretaker and if it doesn’t work out get someone else in. It’s worth a gamble to see if he can turn it around.siblers said:
Hard to know how much influence JJ has under Adkins but isn't he somewhat responsible for this mess too?Scoham said:
I’d argue that’s the last thing we need.J BLOCK said:Don’t want Jackson or Euell in the job, this is too critical now and we need an experienced head.
An experienced manager at this level means a “big name” like Adkins dropping down, or someone who’s been at this level for years and not made the step up.
Give JJ and Euell a few games to see if they get a reaction, if not bring in a good young manager on the way up.
Successful managers at this level tend to be younger. Maybe it’s fresh ideas, more drive to do well or finding it easier to relate to players? Whatever it is it works more often than the likes of Adkins and Slade stepping down and feeling like they’re doing us favour.
The problem there though is money, so we give JJ and Euell 15 games and we're still in the relegation zone, does Sandgaard then spend more money sacking them off and bringing in a whole new manager and coaching staff?
Two rounds of payoffs and some new appointments, don't see that happening personally.
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